In article <t9hnvq$1f1qu$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > iPod Nano did though.
>
> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
> available

he was talking about the ipod nano, not the iphone.

> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
> using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.

ios too.

<https://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EyeTV_Mobile_iP
ad_iPhone-650x482.jpg>

In article <t9ho8o$1f26o$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
> > using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>
> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> could.

and have.

here's one that receives tv:
<https://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EyeTV_Mobile_iP
ad_iPhone-650x482.jpg>

On 2022-06-29 09:06, nospam wrote:
> In article <t9ho8o$1f26o$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C port
>>> using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>
>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>> could.
>
> and have.
>
> here's one that receives tv:
> <https://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/EyeTV_Mobile_iP
> ad_iPhone-650x482.jpg>

I had a couple of EyeTV products back in the day.

On 6/29/2022 7:40 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-06-29 07:35, sms wrote:
>> On 6/27/2022 8:19 PM, John wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> iPod Nano did though.
>>
>> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
>> available
>> <https://www.mobilefun.com/griffin-ifm-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-and-iphone-26810>.
>
>
> Which is just as irrelevant.
>
>>
>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>
> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> could.

No, it's not possible. You need to understand the functionality of the
30 pin connector. Very different than Lightning.

On 2022-06-29 10:00, sms wrote:
> On 6/29/2022 7:40 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-06-29 07:35, sms wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2022 8:19 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> iPod Nano did though.
>>>
>>> For the older, 30 pin connector iPhones, there was an add-on FM tuner
>>> available
>>> <https://www.mobilefun.com/griffin-ifm-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-and-iphone-26810>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Which is just as irrelevant.
>>
>>>
>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>
>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>> could.
>
> No, it's not possible. You need to understand the functionality of the
> 30 pin connector. Very different than Lightning.

Really?

And what makes it impossible with a Lightning connector?

Can that Lightning connector not receive data? No, it CAN receive
incoming data.

In article <t9i0f5$1g3iq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
> >> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
> >
> > And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> > could.
>
> No, it's not possible.

wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.

> You need to understand the functionality of the
> 30 pin connector.

if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.

you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
connector.

however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
impossible.

here's one:
<https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
80.jpg>

> Very different than Lightning.

you don't say!

if only you knew what the differences actually are.

On 2022-06-29 10:37, nospam wrote:
> In article <t9i0f5$1g3iq$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>>
>>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>>> could.
>>
>> No, it's not possible.
>
> wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.
>
>> You need to understand the functionality of the
>> 30 pin connector.
>
> if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.
>
> you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
> comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
> iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
> connector.
>
> however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
> tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
> impossible.
>
> here's one:
> <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
> 80.jpg>
>
>> Very different than Lightning.
>
> you don't say!
>
> if only you knew what the differences actually are.

Do be fair, he only claims it's impossible for the Lightning connector...

....which seems odd anyway, because the Lightning connector can clearly
be used to send data into the iPhone.

In article <t9i3e0$1gei9$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> >>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
> >>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
> >>>
> >>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
> >>> could.
> >>
> >> No, it's not possible.
> >
> > wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.
> >
> >> You need to understand the functionality of the
> >> 30 pin connector.
> >
> > if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.
> >
> > you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
> > comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
> > iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
> > connector.
> >
> > however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
> > tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
> > impossible.
> >
> > here's one:
> > <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
> > 80.jpg>
> >
> >> Very different than Lightning.
> >
> > you don't say!
> >
> > if only you knew what the differences actually are.
>
> Do be fair, he only claims it's impossible for the Lightning connector...

it's not clear what he claims, because his stories keep changing.

nearly everything he claims is impossible is very possible, often with
little to no effort. the more amusing ones are when it's been part of
ios for years.

> ...which seems odd anyway, because the Lightning connector can clearly
> be used to send data into the iPhone.

as can the dock connector.

On 2022-06-29 11:38, nospam wrote:
> In article <t9i3e0$1gei9$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> For Android, you can plug an external RTL-SDR tuner into the USB-C
>>>>>> port using OTG and listen to FM. You can also plug in a TV tuner.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if someone want to make such a device for the Lightning port, they
>>>>> could.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's not possible.
>>>
>>> wrong. not only is it possible, but it's been done.
>>>
>>>> You need to understand the functionality of the
>>>> 30 pin connector.
>>>
>>> if anyone needs to understand that, it would be you.
>>>
>>> you mentioned modern android phones that have usb-c, thus the proper
>>> comparison would be with a modern iphone that has lightning, *not*
>>> iphones from more than 10 years ago that have the long obsolete dock
>>> connector.
>>>
>>> however, that doesn't actually matter, since there were fm and tv
>>> tuners that used the dock connector, what you incorrectly claim is
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>> here's one:
>>> <https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/890e13fadad25dcf7964b7ea524e16e5-970-
>>> 80.jpg>
>>>
>>>> Very different than Lightning.
>>>
>>> you don't say!
>>>
>>> if only you knew what the differences actually are.
>>
>> Do be fair, he only claims it's impossible for the Lightning connector...
>
> it's not clear what he claims, because his stories keep changing.

I followed it fine.

>
> nearly everything he claims is impossible is very possible, often with
> little to no effort. the more amusing ones are when it's been part of
> ios for years.
>
>> ...which seems odd anyway, because the Lightning connector can clearly
>> be used to send data into the iPhone.
>
> as can the dock connector.

Which was never in dispute.

On 2022-06-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t9hn5a$1euvj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
><scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> It would not have made sense for Apple to activate the FM radio given
>> that they wanted to sell content via iTunes.
>
> as usual, you are incorrect.
>
> not only did the 5th, 6th and 7th gen ipod nano include an fm tuner,
> but songs could be tagged to be later purchased via itunes. it
> actually *helped* sell more itunes music.

Wonder if this fact will be mentioned in his little "here's how Apple
sucks" document. ; )

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