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Re: Only liars disagree that H(D,D)==0 is correct [ Dishonest ? ]

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 by: olcott - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 01:49 UTC

On 2/23/2023 7:46 PM, Python wrote:
> Dishonest liar Peter Olcott wrote:
>> On 2/23/2023 5:17 PM, Python wrote:
>>> Peter Olcott wrote:
>>>> On 2/23/2023 3:52 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 2/23/2023 3:10 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> Whenever H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H cannot
>>>>>> possibly reach its final state and halt in any finite number of steps
>>>>>> then (by logical necessity) H is correct to reject its input as non-
>>>>>> halting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> int D(int (*x)())
>>>>>> {
>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *D simulated by H cannot possibly correctly reach its ret
>>>>>> instruction*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _D()
>>>>>>   [00001d12] 55         push ebp
>>>>>>   [00001d13] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>   [00001d15] 51         push ecx
>>>>>>   [00001d16] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08] // move 1st argument to eax
>>>>>>   [00001d19] 50         push eax         // push D
>>>>>>   [00001d1a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08] // move 1st argument to ecx
>>>>>>   [00001d1d] 51         push ecx         // push D
>>>>>>   [00001d1e] e83ff8ffff call 00001562    // call H same as H(D,D)
>>>>>>   [00001d23] 83c408     add esp,+08
>>>>>>   [00001d26] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>   [00001d29] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>   [00001d2d] 7402       jz 00001d31
>>>>>>   [00001d2f] ebfe       jmp 00001d2f
>>>>>>   [00001d31] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>   [00001d34] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>   [00001d36] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>   [00001d37] c3         ret
>>>>>>
>>>>>> H simulates machine instructions of D from [00001d12] to
>>>>>> [00001d1e] then
>>>>>> there are only two possible things that H can do:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) Continue to simulate D endlessly (until D runs out of stack
>>>>>> space)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) Abort its simulation of D at some point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In both of these cases D simulated by H never reaches its own ret
>>>>> instruction (final state).
>>>>>
>>>>> computation that halts … the Turing machine will halt whenever it
>>>>> enters a final state. (Linz:1990:234)
>>>>>
>>>>> Linz, Peter 1990. An Introduction to Formal Languages and Automata.
>>>>> Lexington/Toronto: D. C. Heath and Company. (317-320)
>>>>
>>>> The only way that I can tell that I made my point with lying reviewers
>>>> is that the best rebuttal they can possibly derive is a strawman
>>>> deception" change of subject.
>>>>
>>>> Hence I have proved that H(D,D)==0 is correct even to liars.
>>>
>>> Hum.
>>>
>>> Ben Bacarrisse: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the
>>> "correct" answer even though P(P) halts?
>>>
>>> Peter Olcott: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>>>
>>> This is the only rebuttal you deserve, Peter. You are the lying
>>> piece of dirt. You admitted to lie.
>>
>>
>> Although my reviewers are smart enough to see that no P ever stops
>> running unless H aborts its simulation of P...
>>
>> These same reviewers are not honest enough to admit that this proves
>> that H is correct to reject its input P as non-halting.
>
> Ben Bacarrisse: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the
> "correct" answer even though P(P) halts?
>
> Peter Olcott: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>
> Dishonesty is on your side Peter.

The fact that no P ever stops running unless H(P,P) aborts its
simulation of its input P conclusively proves that H is correct to
reject its input as non-halting.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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