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* nntpsRoderick
`* Re: nntpsRoderick
 +- Re: nntpsJ.O. Aho
 `* Re: nntpsEduardo Chappa
  `* Re: nntpsAdam H. Kerman
   `* Re: nntpsEduardo Chappa
    `* Re: nntpsAdam H. Kerman
     `* Re: nntpsEduardo Chappa
      `- Re: nntpsAdam H. Kerman

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From: hru...@gmail.com (Roderick)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Subject: nntps
Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 10:05:04 +0000
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 by: Roderick - Thu, 13 May 2021 10:05 UTC

This does nor work:

nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy

Any hint?

Thanks

Rod.

Re: nntps

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From: hru...@gmail.com (Roderick)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Subject: Re: nntps
Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 10:15:25 +0000
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 by: Roderick - Thu, 13 May 2021 10:15 UTC

> nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy

Well, it works with

nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy/ssl

but not with

nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy/tls

Rod.

Re: nntps

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Subject: Re: nntps
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 by: J.O. Aho - Thu, 13 May 2021 11:03 UTC

On 13/05/2021 12.15, Roderick wrote:

> This does nor work:
> nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy/tls

The server do not support tls or the ciphers it allows not supported by
your local machine (upgrade of openssl may needed).

--

//Aho

Re: nntps

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 by: Eduardo Chappa - Thu, 13 May 2021 13:42 UTC

On Thu, 13 May 2021, Roderick wrote:

>
>> nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy
>
> Well, it works with
>
> nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy/ssl

You do not need the port in the definition. The same would work if you
wrote

news.eternal-september.org/user=xy/ssl

> but not with
>
> nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy/tls

/tls is a flag that refers to upgrading an insecure connection to a secure
connection, therefore the port specifiec should be an insecure port

news.eternal-september.org/user=xy/tls

(again, it is not necessary to specify the port). However, I highly
discourage anyone from ever using /tls, it is insecure and should never be
used if /ssl is available.

--
Eduardo
https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

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From: ahk...@chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
Subject: Re: nntps
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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 13 May 2021 20:27 UTC

Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 May 2021, Roderick wrote:

>>but not with

>>nntp-server=news.eternal-september.org:563/user=xy/tls

>/tls is a flag that refers to upgrading an insecure connection to a secure
>connection, therefore the port specifiec should be an insecure port

/tls is really STARTTLS, right? It's confusing.

>news.eternal-september.org/user=xy/tls

>(again, it is not necessary to specify the port). However, I highly
>discourage anyone from ever using /tls, it is insecure and should never be
>used if /ssl is available.

Re: nntps

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 by: Eduardo Chappa - Fri, 14 May 2021 03:36 UTC

On Thu, 13 May 2021, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>> /tls is a flag that refers to upgrading an insecure connection to a
>> secure connection, therefore the port specifiec should be an insecure
>> port
>
> /tls is really STARTTLS, right? It's confusing.

Yes Adam, that is correct. Alpine now supports a "/starttls" parameter
that means STARTTLS (in the sense you are talking about) and that means
the same as /tls for compatibility with the past. My expectation is that
over time /tls will stop being used, and that people will start using
/starttls as a replacement for /tls.

--
Eduardo
https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

Re: nntps

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Fri, 14 May 2021 04:16 UTC

Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 May 2021, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>>/tls is a flag that refers to upgrading an insecure connection to a
>>>secure connection, therefore the port specifiec should be an insecure
>>>port

>>/tls is really STARTTLS, right? It's confusing.

>Yes Adam, that is correct. Alpine now supports a "/starttls" parameter
>that means STARTTLS (in the sense you are talking about) and that means
>the same as /tls for compatibility with the past. My expectation is that
>over time /tls will stop being used, and that people will start using
>/starttls as a replacement for /tls.

Thanks! Making sure labels are accurate makes things less confusing for
the user.

Re: nntps

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 by: Eduardo Chappa - Wed, 19 May 2021 00:57 UTC

On Fri, 14 May 2021, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:
>
>> Yes Adam, that is correct. Alpine now supports a "/starttls" parameter
>> that means STARTTLS (in the sense you are talking about) and that means
>> the same as /tls for compatibility with the past. My expectation is
>> that over time /tls will stop being used, and that people will start
>> using /starttls as a replacement for /tls.
>
> Thanks! Making sure labels are accurate makes things less confusing for
> the user.

I am all in agreement with you, and if you any other places in Alpine
where this kind of improvement could be made, please let me know and I
will be happy to improve Alpine this way.

--
Eduardo
https://tinyurl.com/yc377wlh (web)
http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git (Git)

Re: nntps

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Wed, 19 May 2021 01:08 UTC

Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 May 2021, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Eduardo Chappa <chappa@washington.edu> wrote:

>>>Yes Adam, that is correct. Alpine now supports a "/starttls" parameter
>>>that means STARTTLS (in the sense you are talking about) and that means
>>>the same as /tls for compatibility with the past. My expectation is
>>>that over time /tls will stop being used, and that people will start
>>>using /starttls as a replacement for /tls.

>>Thanks! Making sure labels are accurate makes things less confusing for
>>the user.

>I am all in agreement with you, and if you any other places in Alpine
>where this kind of improvement could be made, please let me know and I
>will be happy to improve Alpine this way.

Thank you, Eduardo. Your committment to improve communication is in
every line of the code.

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