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In article <slrns4lntm.27ee.g.kreme@m1mini.local>,
Lewis  <g.kreme@gmail.don-t-email-me.com> wrote:
In message <O4x2I.10$ts5.3@fx46.iad> Scott Alfter
<scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
It wasn't much more difficult than installing on x86 hardware, other
than that you're compiling everything on a processor that's maybe
about as fast as a Raspberry Pi 2

I'm not sure any Mac mini was ever quite that slow.

1.5 GHz, 32-bit, single core, maxed out at 1 GB RAM.  About the only
opportunity for a speedup was replacing the spinning rust with an M.2 SATA
SSD (inside an adapter that converts it to a 2.5" PATA device).
Subjectively, building code on it (which Gentoo does a lot :) ) seems about
as fast as building the same code on my Raspberry Pis.  Objectively, I don't
have benchmarks that can confirm or deny the assertion, though.

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Subject: Re: Can Modern VFX Artists Use a 30-YEAR-OLD MAC? Ft. LinusTechTips! - YouTube
From: Eli the Bearded
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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LkUzVexLTU

I had (have) a copy of Photoshop 2.0 for Mac. Came with one of the
scanners I bought when I had a IIci. My recollection is layers came
with 2.5. I also have an old Illustrator, maybe 5, I can't recall now.

I haven't run it in years, which probably helps keep it as my favorite
vector graphics editor.

Elijah
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Inkscape is so frustrating sometimes


Subject: Re: Can Modern VFX Artists Use a 30-YEAR-OLD MAC? Ft. LinusTechTips! - YouTube
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In article <eli$2104170116@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

I had (have) a copy of Photoshop 2.0 for Mac. Came with one of the
scanners I bought when I had a IIci. My recollection is layers came
with 2.5.

2.5 added windows support.

3.0 added layers.

I also have an old Illustrator, maybe 5, I can't recall now.

I haven't run it in years, which probably helps keep it as my favorite
vector graphics editor.

no reason why it wouldn't be a favourite.


Subject: Re: Can Modern VFX Artists Use a 30-YEAR-OLD MAC? Ft. LinusTechTips! - YouTube
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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
I also have an old Illustrator, maybe 5, I can't recall now.
I haven't run it in years, which probably helps keep it as my favorite
vector graphics editor.
no reason why it wouldn't be a favourite.

There's a story about a guy who worked at Apple who kept hearing Steve
Jobs say how much better something worked on Next, so the guy brought in
his Next Cube and would show Jobs how it worked. Memories distort
reality.

https://twitter.com/imranchaudhri/status/1374934903188414467

Elijah
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has not found Basilisk all that successful


Subject: Re: Can Modern VFX Artists Use a 30-YEAR-OLD MAC? Ft. LinusTechTips! - YouTube
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In article <eli$2104171600@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

I also have an old Illustrator, maybe 5, I can't recall now.
I haven't run it in years, which probably helps keep it as my favorite
vector graphics editor.
no reason why it wouldn't be a favourite.

There's a story about a guy who worked at Apple who kept hearing Steve
Jobs say how much better something worked on Next, so the guy brought in
his Next Cube and would show Jobs how it worked. Memories distort
reality.

https://twitter.com/imranchaudhri/status/1374934903188414467

not exactly a good comparison.

illustrator, on both mac and windows, has been and still is the
standard to which others are compared.


Subject: Re: Can Modern VFX Artists Use a 30-YEAR-OLD MAC? Ft. LinusTechTips! - YouTube
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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
I also have an old Illustrator, maybe 5, I can't recall now.
I haven't run it in years, which probably helps keep it as my favorite
vector graphics editor.
....
not exactly a good comparison.

Why not?

illustrator, on both mac and windows, has been and still is the
standard to which others are compared.

Do you not understand I'm comparing my use of Illustrator on a Mac IIci
in the 1990s to my use of Inkscape (and other runs on Unix/Linux)
software now?

Elijah
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would consider buying a copy of Illustrator if it were sold for modern Linux



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In article <eli$2104181736@qaz.wtf>, Eli the Bearded
<*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

I also have an old Illustrator, maybe 5, I can't recall now.
I haven't run it in years, which probably helps keep it as my favorite
vector graphics editor.
...
not exactly a good comparison.

Why not?

because it was comparing software on a well established platform that
redefined the industry with what was available on a failed platform.

illustrator, on both mac and windows, has been and still is the
standard to which others are compared.

Do you not understand I'm comparing my use of Illustrator on a Mac IIci
in the 1990s to my use of Inkscape (and other runs on Unix/Linux)
software now?

that doesn't change anything.

photoshop in the 1990s had features that the gimp still does not have,
and according to the gimp's roadmap, never will.

inkscape is still playing catch-up.

illustrator, photoshop and other adobe products set the standard to
which others are compared.


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