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* Re: H(D,D)==0 is proven to be correctolcott
`- Re: H(D,D)==0 is proven to be correctRichard Damon

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 by: olcott - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 01:50 UTC

On 2/23/2023 7:47 PM, Python wrote:
> Stupid Idiot Peter Olcott wrote:
>> int D(int (*x)())
>> {
>>    int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>    return Halt_Status;
>> }
>>
>> *D simulated by H cannot possibly correctly reach its ret instruction
>> and halt*
>>
>> _D()
>>   [00001d12] 55         push ebp
>>   [00001d13] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
>>   [00001d15] 51         push ecx
>>   [00001d16] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08] // move 1st argument to eax
>>   [00001d19] 50         push eax         // push D
>>   [00001d1a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08] // move 1st argument to ecx
>>   [00001d1d] 51         push ecx         // push D
>>   [00001d1e] e83ff8ffff call 00001562    // call H same as H(D,D)
>>   [00001d23] 83c408     add esp,+08
>>   [00001d26] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>   [00001d29] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>   [00001d2d] 7402       jz 00001d31
>>   [00001d2f] ebfe       jmp 00001d2f
>>   [00001d31] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>   [00001d34] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>   [00001d36] 5d         pop ebp
>>   [00001d37] c3         ret
>>
>>
>> Although my reviewers are smart enough to see that no D ever stops
>> running unless H aborts its simulation of D...
>>
>> These same reviewers are not honest enough to admit that this proves
>> that H is correct to reject its input D as non-halting.
>>
>>
>> *Simulating Halt Deciders Defeat the Halting Theorem*
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368568464_Simulating_Halt_Deciders_Defeat_the_Halting_Theorem
>>
>
> Ben Bacarrisse: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the
> "correct" answer even though P(P) halts?
>
> Peter Olcott: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.

The fact that no P ever stops running unless H(P,P) aborts its
simulation of its input P conclusively proves that H is correct to
reject its input as non-halting.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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 by: Richard Damon - Fri, 24 Feb 2023 02:04 UTC

On 2/23/23 8:50 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 2/23/2023 7:47 PM, Python wrote:
>> Stupid Idiot Peter Olcott wrote:
>>> int D(int (*x)())
>>> {
>>>    int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>> }
>>>
>>> *D simulated by H cannot possibly correctly reach its ret instruction
>>> and halt*
>>>
>>> _D()
>>>   [00001d12] 55         push ebp
>>>   [00001d13] 8bec       mov ebp,esp
>>>   [00001d15] 51         push ecx
>>>   [00001d16] 8b4508     mov eax,[ebp+08] // move 1st argument to eax
>>>   [00001d19] 50         push eax         // push D
>>>   [00001d1a] 8b4d08     mov ecx,[ebp+08] // move 1st argument to ecx
>>>   [00001d1d] 51         push ecx         // push D
>>>   [00001d1e] e83ff8ffff call 00001562    // call H same as H(D,D)
>>>   [00001d23] 83c408     add esp,+08
>>>   [00001d26] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>   [00001d29] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>   [00001d2d] 7402       jz 00001d31
>>>   [00001d2f] ebfe       jmp 00001d2f
>>>   [00001d31] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>   [00001d34] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
>>>   [00001d36] 5d         pop ebp
>>>   [00001d37] c3         ret
>>>
>>>
>>> Although my reviewers are smart enough to see that no D ever stops
>>> running unless H aborts its simulation of D...
>>>
>>> These same reviewers are not honest enough to admit that this proves
>>> that H is correct to reject its input D as non-halting.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Simulating Halt Deciders Defeat the Halting Theorem*
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/368568464_Simulating_Halt_Deciders_Defeat_the_Halting_Theorem
>>>
>>
>> Ben Bacarrisse: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the
>> "correct" answer even though P(P) halts?
>>
>> Peter Olcott: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>
> The fact that no P ever stops running unless H(P,P) aborts its
> simulation of its input P conclusively proves that H is correct to
> reject its input as non-halting.
>

In computability theory, the halting problem is the problem of
determining, from a description of an arbitrary computer program and an
input, whether the program will finish running, or continue to run forever.

Thus the fact that P(P) Halts means you have admitted that the actual
correct answer is Halting, and you are just lying that Non-Halting is
the correct answer for the actual Halting Problem.

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