On Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, josie wrote:
> Hi Shalom, and a very good post too.
> I have come back to apologise for an erraneous piece of info that I gave
> previously and which has been brought to my attention this evening by Martin S.
> Zibulsky:
> Hi Martin,
> Nice to hear from you, and a nice friendly mail. Refreshing change, Martin.
> Now, the speed disk from Norton is much preferred to the Optimisation from TTP -
> the latter being EXTREMELY slow - although accurate in that both apps give
> exactly the same number of fragmentations.
> Am just going to check what I read in the TTP2 Manual about the floppy thing -
> BRB -
> Okay, once again I have been proved wrong - and all because of erraneous
> information from the TTP2 manual.
> I swear that this manual is an old one - on page 5 under the TechTool parts it
> says (about TachTool Pro app) - quote "this is the only element necessary to run
> the program, so if you wish to carry a copy on a floppy disk, this would be the
> only piece that you absolutely need".
> This info in the manual is very out of date, and I apologise for quoting from
> it.
> As you correctly mentioned Martin, the TTP2 app is indeed 3.5 Mb and so cannot
> fit onto a floppy, as is advised in the manual that comes with TTP2 - so I guess
> the answer is to have the TTP2 on a zip or other disk, and run the app from
> there.
> Actually, I have a boot zip disk with sys 8.1 on it - taks 70Mb and then I
> installed TTP2 onto there completely (not just the app) so am well prepared, in
> case of emergency!
> Do keep me informed of any stuff that is interesting on this subject, always
> good to hear from you.
> All Best Wishes,
> Josie Farmer
> PS - what is AMUG? I am chairperson of CMUG - http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~cumbmac
> "Martin S. Zibulsky" wrote:
> Josie Farmer wrote:
> > >The workaround for all of this is to use TTP from the CD - and drag the TTP
> > application onto a floppy disk then throw the TTP application on the hard disk
> > into the trash.
> >
> > >That way you could use TTP from either the CD or floppy, because all of the
> > CDEVs are already installed into your System Folder.
> >
> > Hi Josie:
> >
> > Great idea! I run Norton's Disk Doctor 3.5.2, also Speed Disk 3.5.2 that
> > way, from a startup floppies I made...for the same reasons. Will probably
> > do same when NUM 4.0.3 CD arrives here next week...if I can get the
> > necessary ingredients to fit on the floppies. Speed disk, no problem, but
> > the Doctor is questionable.
> >
> > I already have Techtool Pro 2x on a couple startup Zip Disks and a
> > Syquest Startup Cartridge. Your post reminded me to do so, or check that
> > it was previously done.
> > However, this leads to my question on the other part of your idea. How
> > does one get TechTool Pro 2x application to fit (uncompressed) and
> > operate from a floppy, when the application itself is 3.5 mb???
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin Zibulsky
> Shalom Avital wrote:
> > I second the motion: I've *never* tried to use TTP2 from the same drive
> > that has to be treated. I keep TTP2 on a startup ZIP disk, and use it
> > periodically or as required with a desktop PM6500 or a PB G3 Series.
> > I've never had the slightest problem.
> > For me, the advantage of running TTP2 from the startup ZIP disk, is that
> > the same ZIP contains other utilities why I might want to use. The ZIP
> > also serves as an emergency statup disk.
> >
> > josie wrote:
> > >
> > > I know Jeff Baudin and he knows what he's talking about.
> > >
> > > I have recently completed tests on the efficiency of both TechTool Pro
> > > v2 and Norton Utilities v 4.
> > >
> > > What TechTool Pro does that Norton does not do is this:
> > >
> > > TTP analyses the internal structure of the Desktop database file for
> > > consistency and correctness whereas Norton does not.
> > >
> > > The DDB is at the base of the Finder's functionality, and that is what
> > > it uses to construct the Desktop display and functionality of the
> > > desktop.
> > >
> > > The only thing that I regret about TechTool Pro is that I believe the
> > > error lies in one basic fact:
> > >
> > > Any repairs to the Finder MUST be done from another drive - other than
> > > the hard disk.
> > >
> > > You cannot repair the Finder on the drive that you're running from -
> > > and herein lies the bug, and it is a bug because we are led to believe
> > > that we can fix the Finder using TTP launched from the drive where the
> > > problem exists i.e. the hard disk.
> > >
> > > The bug is that TTP allows the user access to functionality that
> > > shouldn't be allowed, because it's not going to work, because you have
> > > to issue that command from another drive - in other words, that
> > > command should be greyed out.
> > >
> > > The workaround for all of this is to use TTP from the CD - and to drag
> > > the TTP application onto a floppy disk then throw the TTP application
> > > on the hard disk into the Trash.
> > >
> > > That way, you could use TTP from either the CD or floppy, because all
> > > of the other CDEVs are already installed into your System Folder.
> > >
> > > TechTool Pro is a brilliant utility for the Mac, that's why it gets
> > > such a high rating - maybe the company will issue a statement about
> > > not running the app from the hard disk, soon - or eliminate the
> > > application installed to the hard disk altogether (just the CDEVs,
> > > Techtool protection extension etc installed), and include a floppy
> > > disk as part of the product package. That way none of these problems
> > > would happen.
> > >
> > > The user manual could also have updated screen grabs that include
> > > "Optimisation" in the list under "Expert User" - Optimisation is not
> > > addressed in the manual at all - and just one or two pages on the
> > > Basic Interface would have been nice, too.
> > >
> > > Run TechTool Pro from the CD and you should be okay.
> > >
> > > Josie
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------reply
> > > separator---------------------------
> > >
> > > Dan Hopper wrote:
> > >
> > > > I reported a similar problem in this forum a few weeks ago. I
> > > > trashed
> > > > TT Pro. Will not use it again. Have switched back to Norton.
> > > > Dan H.
> > > >
> > > > Gerry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <7bmodk$mp9$1...@jupiter.planetcable.net>, David Bowers
> > > > > <dwbo...@planetcable.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I spent a while on the phone with Jeff Baudin, a Micromat
> > > > manager, who
> > > > > > essentially told me that this could not happen with TechTool
> > > > Pro.
> > > > > > My drive has never given me any trouble, I have never
> > > > reformatted it and I
> > > > > > have run Disk First Aid on a regular basis it make sure it was
> > > > OK. This
> > > > > > series of events has left me dumbfounded. How could such a
> > > > highly rated
> > > > > > program create such damage and how could the company that
> > > > produced it not
> > > > > > have a clue as to why it happened? I know I will never run
> > > > TechTool's drive
> > > > > > tests on my machine again!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff says this could not be a result of using TechTool. Was is
> > > > your
> > > > > rationale for thinking he is wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > \\\--- Gerry
> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > > > American Democracy -- the best that money can buy!
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