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* XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMThe Doctor
`* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMErwan David
 +* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMEike Rathke
 |`* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMThe Doctor
 | `* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMEike Rathke
 |  `* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMThe Doctor
 |   `* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMGrant Edwards
 |    +* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMJorgen Grahn
 |    |`* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMThe Doctor
 |    | `* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMGrant Edwards
 |    |  `* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMJorgen Grahn
 |    |   +* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMGrant Edwards
 |    |   |+* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMJorgen Grahn
 |    |   ||+- Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMChris Green
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 |    |   |+* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMEike Rathke
 |    |   ||`* Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMGrant Edwards
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 |    |   ||  `- Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AMThe Doctor
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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Erwan David
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:47 UTC
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From: erw...@rail.eu.org (Erwan David)
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"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> disait le 10/01/20 que :

XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt.  10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM

From article 12121 (9/1/2020 1:13:48 AM) to article 12121 (9/1/2020
1:13:48 AM)

Number of threads  ................... 1
Number of articles  .................. 1
Average articles per thread  ......... 1.00
Number of unanswered posts  .......... 1
Number of posts from XanaNews users .. 1


Top Threads

Ranking  Articles  Subject
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Top Posters

Ranking  Articles  Name                        Most Used Newsreader
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      1         1  The Doctor                  XanaNews                


Top Newsreaders

Ranking  Articles  Newsreader                                    Users
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      1         1  XanaNews                                          1

Ok let's double the article number for this month.

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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Eike Rathke
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Organization: possibly
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 08:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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* Erwan David, 2020-10-01 17:47 UTC:
      1         1  XanaNews                                          1
Ok let's double the article number for this month.

Done.

  Eike

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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Eike Rathke
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* The Doctor, 2020-10-02 14:36 UTC:
Anyone here want to discuss a GUI port od Mutt call Xmutt?

Hell no, not even if there was such thing.

  Eike

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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Grant Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 01:31 UTC
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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Grant Edwards)
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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

-----8<--------------- xmutt -----8<---------------

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

-----8<---------------------------8<---------------

;)


Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Jorgen Grahn
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On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.

(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either.  Although I
think it's on topic here.)

/Jorgen

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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Grant Edwards
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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Grant Edwards)
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On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <slrnrng9vh.1hpq.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>,
Jorgen Grahn  <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.

(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either.  Although I
think it's on topic here.)

/Jorgen


Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

--
Grant


Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Jorgen Grahn
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 21:32 UTC
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From: grahn+n...@snipabacken.se (Jorgen Grahn)
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On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <slrnrng9vh.1hpq.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>,
Jorgen Grahn  <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.

(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either.  Although I
think it's on topic here.)

/Jorgen


Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled.  I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

/Jorgen

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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Grant Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 23:26 UTC
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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Grant Edwards)
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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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On 2020-10-03, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown.  I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need.  Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.

I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost.  Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled.  I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

Same here.

--
Grant


Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Jorgen Grahn
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 07:37 UTC
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
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On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown.  I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need.  Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.

I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost.  Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

I can see that many cannot send text/plain, but how can they all fail
to /read/ it?

I happily send plain text mail, and have had no complaints[1].
The only problem I know about is MS Outlook, which by default is
configured to undo the formatting ("We removed some extra line
breaks").

And of course there's the related problem with quoting in responses,
but mainstream MUAs like Outlook simply don't have support for that.

/Jorgen

[1] Although I get very little real mail these days.  Internet mail
    seems to have deteriorated to a way for organizations to push out
    non-vital notifications and newsletters.

--
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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Chris Green
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Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown.  I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need.  Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.

I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost.  Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

I can see that many cannot send text/plain, but how can they all fail
to /read/ it?

I happily send plain text mail, and have had no complaints[1].

Yes, same here, no issues with *sending* plain text.


The only problem I know about is MS Outlook, which by default is
configured to undo the formatting ("We removed some extra line
breaks").

And of course there's the related problem with quoting in responses,
but mainstream MUAs like Outlook simply don't have support for that.

/Jorgen

[1] Although I get very little real mail these days.  Internet mail
    seems to have deteriorated to a way for organizations to push out
    non-vital notifications and newsletters.

Well, not true in the world of technical/support mailing lists, I'm on
lots of those (50 or more) and they all specify text only and bottom
posting in their netiquette.

--
Chris Green
·


Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Eike Rathke
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From: erack+nu...@posteo.de (Eike Rathke)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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* Grant Edwards, 2020-10-03 23:26 UTC:
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

  Eike

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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Grant Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 01:17 UTC
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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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On 2020-10-04, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown.  I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need.  Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.

I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost.  Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

I can see that many cannot send text/plain, but how can they all fail
to /read/ it?

Some apps (particularly Outlook) don't use fixed-width fonts for
text/plain, so things like bulleted lists, columnar data, quoting
etc. come out garbled.  People who read my text/plain emails on phones
also have trouble because paragraphs don't get reflowed (or get
reflowed in bizarre ways).

I happily send plain text mail, and have had no complaints[1].
The only problem I know about is MS Outlook,

And most of the people to whom I send e-mails use MS Outlook.

--
Grant


Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Grant Edwards
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From: inva...@invalid.invalid (Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
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On 2020-10-04, Eike Rathke <erack+nutznetz.o@posteo.de> wrote:
* Grant Edwards, 2020-10-03 23:26 UTC:
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Sure, they can _receive_ it.  But the Outlook often displays it in a
less that readable manner, and sending e-mails that are hard to read
and appear to be badly formatted is unprofessional and unacceptable
when I'm supposed to be a "computer person".

For years I used muttdown, and that solved the problem nicely.

Then the IT folks shut off SMTP support in Exchange, so it became
rather a moot point.  I still often compose emails in markdown (using
emacsi markdown-mode), then I cut/paste the entire message from the
browser preview into hiri or Outlook OWA and send it.

--
Grant




Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: Chris Green
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 07:57 UTC
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From: cl...@isbd.net (Chris Green)
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Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2020-10-04, Eike Rathke <erack+nutznetz.o@posteo.de> wrote:
* Grant Edwards, 2020-10-03 23:26 UTC:
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Sure, they can _receive_ it.  But the Outlook often displays it in a
less that readable manner, and sending e-mails that are hard to read
and appear to be badly formatted is unprofessional and unacceptable
when I'm supposed to be a "computer person".

'Outside' in the real world (i.e. away from business) 99% of people
are reading their E-Mail on a phone of some sort.  Outlook is no
longer the issue with nearly all of my recipients. The issue is a tiny
screen and a 'poke it with your squishy fingertips' user interface.

--
Chris Green
·


Subject: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: The Doctor
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Organization: NetKnow News
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:06 UTC
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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:06:31 -0000 (UTC)
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XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt.  10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM

From article 12121 (9/1/2020 1:13:48 AM) to article 12121 (9/1/2020
1:13:48 AM)

Number of threads  ................... 1
Number of articles  .................. 1
Average articles per thread  ......... 1.00
Number of unanswered posts  .......... 1
Number of posts from XanaNews users .. 1


Top Threads

Ranking  Articles  Subject
-------  --------  ----------------------------------


Top Posters

Ranking  Articles  Name                        Most Used Newsreader
-------  --------  --------------------------  --------------------
      1         1  The Doctor                  XanaNews                


Top Newsreaders

Ranking  Articles  Newsreader                                    Users
-------  --------  --------------------------------------------  -----
      1         1  XanaNews                                          1


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Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
From: The Doctor
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Organization: NetKnow News
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:46 UTC
References: 1 2
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From: doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mutt
Subject: Re: XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt. 10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:46:20 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: NetKnow News
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In article <87mu15q1nb.fsf@maine-ocean.rail.eu.org>,
Erwan David  <erwan@rail.eu.org> wrote:
"The Doctor" <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> disait le 10/01/20 que :

XanaNews Statistic for comp.mail.mutt.  10/1/2020 6:06:29 AM

From article 12121 (9/1/2020 1:13:48 AM) to article 12121 (9/1/2020
1:13:48 AM)

Number of threads  ................... 1
Number of articles  .................. 1
Average articles per thread  ......... 1.00
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      1         1  The Doctor                  XanaNews                


Top Newsreaders

Ranking  Articles  Newsreader                                    Users
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      1         1  XanaNews                                          1

Ok let's double the article number for this month.

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In article <N3e8I5f768158T3083@kulungile.erack.de>,
Eike Rathke  <erack+nutznetz.o@posteo.de> wrote:
* Erwan David, 2020-10-01 17:47 UTC:
      1         1  XanaNews                                          1
Ok let's double the article number for this month.

Done.

 Eike

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Anyone here want to discuss a GUI port od Mutt call Xmutt?
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In article <N3e8I5f775ad2T164d@kulungile.erack.de>,
Eike Rathke  <erack+nutznetz.o@posteo.de> wrote:
* The Doctor, 2020-10-02 14:36 UTC:
Anyone here want to discuss a GUI port od Mutt call Xmutt?

Hell no, not even if there was such thing.

 Eike


I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

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In article <rl8ka3$36j$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Grant Edwards  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

-----8<--------------- xmutt -----8<---------------

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

-----8<---------------------------8<---------------

;)

You must love to have a bash.
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In article <slrnrng9vh.1hpq.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>,
Jorgen Grahn  <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.

(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either.  Although I
think it's on topic here.)

/Jorgen


Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

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In article <slrnrnhrf3.1hpq.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>,
Jorgen Grahn  <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
In article <slrnrng9vh.1hpq.grahn+nntp@frailea.sa.invalid>,
Jorgen Grahn  <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
On Sat, 2020-10-03, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2020-10-03, The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

I disagree! Mutt needs to be ported to something like X-Windows or
M$ Windows.

Done!

#!/bin/bash
exec urxvt -e mutt "$@"

Which raises the question what it /means/ to port mutt to X.

(And no, I'm not interested in discussing it, either.  Although I
think it's on topic here.)

/Jorgen


Sepearte project so that mutt works in a GUI environment.

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled.  I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

/Jorgen


Bounce is pretty nice!

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In article <rlb1b8$j8v$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Grant Edwards  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2020-10-03, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

It does.  I always use mutt in a GUI environment.  See above.

The alternative would be a rewrite which keeps the features of Mutt
(and the config file) but renders in an X11 window.  And maybe adds
some features ... but I have a hard time to see which GUI features
could be just bolted on.  Which is why I asked.

The only "GUI" features that would matter to me are good HTML+CSS
rendering and an easy way to produce HTML e-mails. That could be a
WYSIWYG editor or something like built-in support for markdown.  I
very rarely write e-mails in mutt, and now use it mainly as a way to
quickly scan my inbox to sort and delete stuff I don't need.  Anything
that needs to be read and/or responded to then gets handled in a
different app.

I prefer paintext e-mail but that war has been lost.  Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

Compare with Emacs, which I use in X11 mode. That mode is like the
terminal mode, plus some silly menus which I have disabled.  I only
use it for the slightly better key bindings, better default colors,
and some mouse integration.

Same here.

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In article <o70r4h-vsk9.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, Chris Green  <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2020-10-04, Eike Rathke <erack+nutznetz.o@posteo.de> wrote:
* Grant Edwards, 2020-10-03 23:26 UTC:
Nobody with whom
I exchange email can deal with plaintext (either receiving it or
sending it).

? every email client can handle received plaintext emails.

Sure, they can _receive_ it.  But the Outlook often displays it in a
less that readable manner, and sending e-mails that are hard to read
and appear to be badly formatted is unprofessional and unacceptable
when I'm supposed to be a "computer person".

'Outside' in the real world (i.e. away from business) 99% of people
are reading their E-Mail on a phone of some sort.  Outlook is no
longer the issue with nearly all of my recipients. The issue is a tiny
screen and a 'poke it with your squishy fingertips' user interface.


As long as top-posting e-mails clients aqre banned, all the good for the real world.

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