Bad news for people who search before they post to Usenet:
<https://i.postimg.cc/tgQHDyjK/dejagoogle01.jpg>

Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data
will still be supported as it is done today.
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>

The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet>
etc.

Is it something we said?
*Please complain to Google about their spamming of Usenet*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/hO4JNke1bNc>
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In article <ulg14i$3o4hi$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>Bad news for people who search before they post to Usenet:
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tgQHDyjK/dejagoogle01.jpg>
>
>Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
>from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data
>will still be supported as it is done today.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>
>The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet>
> etc.
>
>Is it something we said?
> *Please complain to Google about their spamming of Usenet*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/hO4JNke1bNc>

Good news for anti-abusers!

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Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> writes:

> Bad news for people who search before they post to Usenet:
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tgQHDyjK/dejagoogle01.jpg>
>
> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
> from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data
> will still be supported as it is done today.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>
> The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp>
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet>
> etc.

We got to provide solutions our ourselves. This is the USENET spirit
--- by the people for the people (with a sufficient sense of capacity).

> Is it something we said?
> *Please complain to Google about their spamming of Usenet*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/hO4JNke1bNc>

Lol!

Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> writes:

>> The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet>
>> etc.
>
> We got to provide solutions our ourselves. This is the USENET spirit
> --- by the people for the people (with a sufficient sense of capacity).

There might be enough fragmentary archives around to form a "mostly
complete" set, but it'll take a lot of time and effort to unearth them
and coordinate their collation. For some reason I don't get the feeling
that Google will have much interest in releasing theirs.

Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote

> There might be enough fragmentary archives around to form a "mostly
> complete" set, but it'll take a lot of time and effort to unearth them
> and coordinate their collation. For some reason I don't get the feeling
> that Google will have much interest in releasing theirs.

There is the narkive which, if it actually worked, would fit the bill.
a. It has to be web searchable w/o need for a newsreader or account
b. Results must be readable by your mother or grandmother using a browser
c. It has to result in a URI to the thread and to the article

The "only" one I know of (which sucks, by the way), is this one:
<https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.admin.peering.narkive.com>
<https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com>

But, I repeat. It sucks. It's unreliable. Search doesn't work.
Last I had checked anyway...

Is there another current Usenet archive that meets the requirements?
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In article <87ttokdy8n.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> writes:
>
>> Bad news for people who search before they post to Usenet:
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/tgQHDyjK/dejagoogle01.jpg>
>>
>> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
>> from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data
>> will still be supported as it is done today.
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>>
>> The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.nntp>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.net-abuse.usenet>
>> etc.
>
>We got to provide solutions our ourselves. This is the USENET spirit
>--- by the people for the people (with a sufficient sense of capacity).
>
>> Is it something we said?
>> *Please complain to Google about their spamming of Usenet*
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/hO4JNke1bNc>
>
>Lol!

Google Plus was much better ran!
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Am 14.12.2023 um 18:55:14 Uhr schrieb Wally J:

> Bad news for people who search before they post to Usenet:
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tgQHDyjK/dejagoogle01.jpg>
>
> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
> content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
> historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>
> The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.

Didn't it stop working long time ago?

> Is it something we said?

No, but Google doesn't care about what people say.
Be happy that they decided to keep the old content instead of
completely vanishing it and destroying millions of messages with
knowledge from the past.

Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:

> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.

Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid light?

Am 14.12.2023 um 23:19:59 Uhr schrieb Wally J:

> There is the narkive which, if it actually worked, would fit the bill.

Although that doesn't include stuff from the 80s/90s.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:00:23 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
>
>> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
>
> Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid light?

If you want web interfaces go run a forum.

dnews has a web interface - I shut it down in the late 90's because the
more who found it abused it.

Am 15.12.2023 um 21:54:27 Uhr schrieb noel:

> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:00:23 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
> >
> >> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
> >
> > Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid
> > light?
>
> If you want web interfaces go run a forum.
>
> dnews has a web interface - I shut it down in the late 90's because
> the more who found it abused it.

There is no need to have a posting opportunity there.
But those web interfaces make it possible to find content via regular
search engines.
Or do you know a Usenet search engine that can query NNTP servers?

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:04:28 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 15.12.2023 um 21:54:27 Uhr schrieb noel:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:00:23 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>>
>> > Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
>> >
>> >> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
>> >
>> > Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid light?
>>
>> If you want web interfaces go run a forum.
>>
>> dnews has a web interface - I shut it down in the late 90's because the
>> more who found it abused it.
>
> There is no need to have a posting opportunity there.
> But those web interfaces make it possible to find content via regular
> search engines.
> Or do you know a Usenet search engine that can query NNTP servers?

Why would you want the content archived outside of usenet, it survived
just fine back in the say before search engines

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> writes:

> Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote
>
>> There might be enough fragmentary archives around to form a "mostly
>> complete" set, but it'll take a lot of time and effort to unearth them
>> and coordinate their collation. For some reason I don't get the feeling
>> that Google will have much interest in releasing theirs.
>
> There is the narkive which, if it actually worked, would fit the bill.
> a. It has to be web searchable w/o need for a newsreader or account
> b. Results must be readable by your mother or grandmother using a browser
> c. It has to result in a URI to the thread and to the article
>
> The "only" one I know of (which sucks, by the way), is this one:
> <https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
> <https://news.admin.peering.narkive.com>
> <https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com>
>
> But, I repeat. It sucks. It's unreliable. Search doesn't work.
> Last I had checked anyway...

The address

https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com

loads with updated threads, but trying to read messages results in HTTP
505, meaning we have no idea what we're doing.

[...]

Am 15.12.2023 um 22:20:23 Uhr schrieb noel:

> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:04:28 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > Am 15.12.2023 um 21:54:27 Uhr schrieb noel:
> >
> >> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:00:23 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> >>
> >> > Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
> >> >
> >> >> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid
> >> > light?
> >>
> >> If you want web interfaces go run a forum.
> >>
> >> dnews has a web interface - I shut it down in the late 90's
> >> because the more who found it abused it.
> >
> > There is no need to have a posting opportunity there.
> > But those web interfaces make it possible to find content via
> > regular search engines.
> > Or do you know a Usenet search engine that can query NNTP servers?
>
>
> Why would you want the content archived outside of usenet, it
> survived just fine back in the say before search engines

Because there is a need to find information that has been posted months
or years ago.

That means that a search engine needs to be able to index it.
I don't know any search engine that queries NNTP.

noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> writes:

[...]

> Why would you want the content archived outside of usenet, it survived
> just fine back in the say before search engines

That's an interesting point. It is perhaps a good idea not to display
anything on the web precisely so that we do not attract people with an
interest in seeing information displayed to a world such as the web.
For instance, if we display something on the web, the system might be of
interest to spammers.

Maybe we should keep the USENET as hidden from the world as possible.
This closedness might actually work as an invitation. The value of the
USENET is the value of the people in it. If we only invite technical
people, for instance, the USENET becomes attractive to whose interested
in such properties.

Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:

> Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> writes:
>
> > Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote
> >
> >> There might be enough fragmentary archives around to form a "mostly
> >> complete" set, but it'll take a lot of time and effort to unearth them
> >> and coordinate their collation. For some reason I don't get the feeling
> >> that Google will have much interest in releasing theirs.
> >
> > There is the narkive which, if it actually worked, would fit the bill.
> > a. It has to be web searchable w/o need for a newsreader or account
> > b. Results must be readable by your mother or grandmother using a browser
> > c. It has to result in a URI to the thread and to the article
> >
> > The "only" one I know of (which sucks, by the way), is this one:
> > <https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
> > <https://news.admin.peering.narkive.com>
> > <https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com>
> >
> > But, I repeat. It sucks. It's unreliable. Search doesn't work.
> > Last I had checked anyway...
>
> The address
>
> <https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com>
>
> loads with updated threads, but trying to read messages results in HTTP
> 505, meaning we have no idea what we're doing.
>
> [...]
>

That URL works just fine for me, Julieta.

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Am 15.12.2023 um 10:40:48 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:

> loads with updated threads, but trying to read messages results in
> HTTP 505, meaning we have no idea what we're doing.

Works for me:
https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/3iYQhKhL/effective-february-15-2024-google-groups-will-no-longer-support-new-usenet-content

If it doesn't for you, contact the operator:

davide@narkive.com

Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

> Am 15.12.2023 um 10:40:48 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
>
>> loads with updated threads, but trying to read messages results in
>> HTTP 505, meaning we have no idea what we're doing.
>
> Works for me:
> https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/3iYQhKhL/effective-february-15-2024-google-groups-will-no-longer-support-new-usenet-content

I found a thread that opens, but the first ones displaying today do not.

For instance, the address

https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/XQDMkfhu/please-complain-to-google-about-their-spamming-of-usenet

loads fine. But

https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com/utLAtZzn/effective-february-15-2024-google-groups-will-no-longer-support-new-usenet-content#

does not. (The one you mentioned doesn't either.)

Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> writes:
> noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> writes:
>> Why would you want the content archived outside of usenet, it survived
>> just fine back in the say before search engines
>
> That's an interesting point. It is perhaps a good idea not to display
> anything on the web precisely so that we do not attract people with an
> interest in seeing information displayed to a world such as the web.
> For instance, if we display something on the web, the system might be
> of interest to spammers.

Usenet had spam before it had a web presence. Spam will appear anywhere
that has an audience and lacks sufficient controls to prevent it.

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On 12/15/23 08:04, Julieta Shem wrote:
> Maybe we should keep the USENET as hidden from the world as possible.

No. That is antithetical to the intentions of Usenet.

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In article <ulh0r3$1qodo$2@dont-email.me>,
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Am 14.12.2023 um 18:55:14 Uhr schrieb Wally J:
>
>> Bad news for people who search before they post to Usenet:
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/tgQHDyjK/dejagoogle01.jpg>
>>
>> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
>> content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
>> historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/news.admin.peering>
>>
>> The bad news is that this search engine "may" stop working soon.
>
>Didn't it stop working long time ago?
>
>> Is it something we said?
>
>No, but Google doesn't care about what people say.
>Be happy that they decided to keep the old content instead of
>completely vanishing it and destroying millions of messages with
>knowledge from the past.
>

Google neds to pay $1 000 000 000 000 000 to every active
newserver on the planet for thier sheer incompetence!
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In article <ulh12o$1qodo$3@dont-email.me>,
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
>
>> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
>
>Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid light?
>

URL?
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In article <ulh14h$1qodo$4@dont-email.me>,
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Am 14.12.2023 um 23:19:59 Uhr schrieb Wally J:
>
>> There is the narkive which, if it actually worked, would fit the bill.
>
>Although that doesn't include stuff from the 80s/90s.
>

So can Google give the archive over?
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In article <657c3e73$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:00:23 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
>> Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
>>
>>> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
>>
>> Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid light?
>
>If you want web interfaces go run a forum.
>
>dnews has a web interface - I shut it down in the late 90's because the
>more who found it abused it.

Now username/password protection?
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In article <657c4487$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:04:28 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
>> Am 15.12.2023 um 21:54:27 Uhr schrieb noel:
>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 09:00:23 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>
>>> > Am 14.12.2023 um 22:56:56 Uhr schrieb Julieta Shem:
>>> >
>>> >> We got to provide solutions our ourselves.
>>> >
>>> > Does anybody here want to host a web interface like rocksolid light?
>>>
>>> If you want web interfaces go run a forum.
>>>
>>> dnews has a web interface - I shut it down in the late 90's because the
>>> more who found it abused it.
>>
>> There is no need to have a posting opportunity there.
>> But those web interfaces make it possible to find content via regular
>> search engines.
>> Or do you know a Usenet search engine that can query NNTP servers?
>
>
>Why would you want the content archived outside of usenet, it survived
>just fine back in the say before search engines

Hear! Hear!!
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