On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:

> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>> and chews them.
>
> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html

They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag. What the hell?

On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another. (And as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>  Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the letter
>>>>>>>>> which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated keyboard -
>>>>>>>>> you can turn this on or off, and even set different colours in
>>>>>>>>> different areas of the keyboard (the latter is a silly gimmick
>>>>>>>>> IMHO). But the light spills out from under the keytops so if
>>>>>>>>> you are using the laptop in dim light (needing the keys to be
>>>>>>>>> illuminated) you see a load of coloured rectangles as the light
>>>>>>>>> spills out from under the keytops, and a fainter light of the
>>>>>>>>> letters themselves. Crap "form over function" design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the light is
>>>>>>>> too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters is too dark. It
>>>>>>>> is difficult to read the letters, with internal light or
>>>>>>>> external light. No contrast. Zalman ZM-K-400G (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>  We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>  But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>
>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>  But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>
>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>
>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>
> At the dealer's or world wide using google ?

I don't remember. That was years ago.

Try yourself: "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another. (And as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the letter
>>>>>>>>>> which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated keyboard -
>>>>>>>>>> you can turn this on or off, and even set different colours in
>>>>>>>>>> different areas of the keyboard (the latter is a silly gimmick
>>>>>>>>>> IMHO). But the light spills out from under the keytops so if
>>>>>>>>>> you are using the laptop in dim light (needing the keys to be
>>>>>>>>>> illuminated) you see a load of coloured rectangles as the light
>>>>>>>>>> spills out from under the keytops, and a fainter light of the
>>>>>>>>>> letters themselves. Crap "form over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the light is
>>>>>>>>> too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters is too dark. It
>>>>>>>>> is difficult to read the letters, with internal light or
>>>>>>>>> external light. No contrast. Zalman ZM-K-400G (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>> We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>> But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>> But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>
>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>
>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>> At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>
> I don't remember. That was years ago.

> Try yourself: "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"

Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.

On 2023-01-09 23:22, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another. (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the letter
>>>>>>>>>>> which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated keyboard -
>>>>>>>>>>> you can turn this on or off, and even set different colours
>>>>>>>>>>> in different areas of the keyboard (the latter is a silly
>>>>>>>>>>> gimmick IMHO). But the light spills out from under the
>>>>>>>>>>> keytops so if you are using the laptop in dim light (needing
>>>>>>>>>>> the keys to be illuminated) you see a load of coloured
>>>>>>>>>>> rectangles as the light spills out from under the keytops,
>>>>>>>>>>> and a fainter light of the letters themselves. Crap "form
>>>>>>>>>>> over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the light is
>>>>>>>>>> too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters is too dark.
>>>>>>>>>> It is difficult to read the letters, with internal light or
>>>>>>>>>> external light. No contrast. Zalman ZM-K-400G (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>  We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>>>  But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>>>  But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>>
>>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>>
>>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>>>  At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>>
>> I don't remember. That was years ago.
>
>> Try yourself:  "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"
>
> Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
> term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.

Chicken.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:27:10 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-09 23:22, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another. (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the letter
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated keyboard -
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can turn this on or off, and even set different colours
>>>>>>>>>>>> in different areas of the keyboard (the latter is a silly
>>>>>>>>>>>> gimmick IMHO). But the light spills out from under the
>>>>>>>>>>>> keytops so if you are using the laptop in dim light (needing
>>>>>>>>>>>> the keys to be illuminated) you see a load of coloured
>>>>>>>>>>>> rectangles as the light spills out from under the keytops,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a fainter light of the letters themselves. Crap "form
>>>>>>>>>>>> over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the light is
>>>>>>>>>>> too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters is too dark.
>>>>>>>>>>> It is difficult to read the letters, with internal light or
>>>>>>>>>>> external light. No contrast. Zalman ZM-K-400G (gaming
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>> We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>>>> But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>>>> But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>>>
>>>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>>>> At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>>>
>>> I don't remember. That was years ago.
>>
>>> Try yourself: "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"
>> Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
>> term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.
>
> Chicken.

Nope, its a uselss search string because you wouldn't have known
in advance that some fine the lettering not visible enough and not
visible enough isnt the same thing as invisible.

On 2023-01-10 01:23, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:27:10 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>> On 2023-01-09 23:22, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (And as I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard - you can turn this on or off, and even set
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different colours in different areas of the keyboard (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> latter is a silly gimmick IMHO). But the light spills out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from under the keytops so if you are using the laptop in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dim light (needing the keys to be illuminated) you see a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> load of coloured rectangles as the light spills out from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the keytops, and a fainter light of the letters
>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Crap "form over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the light
>>>>>>>>>>>> is too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters is too
>>>>>>>>>>>> dark. It is difficult to read the letters, with internal
>>>>>>>>>>>> light or external light. No contrast. Zalman ZM-K-400G
>>>>>>>>>>>> (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>>  We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>>>>>  But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>>>>>  But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>>>>>  At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember. That was years ago.
>>>
>>>> Try yourself:  "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"
>>>  Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
>>> term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.
>>
>> Chicken.
>
> Nope, its a uselss search string because you wouldn't have known
> in advance that some fine the lettering not visible enough and not
> visible enough isnt the same thing as invisible.

Really? Then you find a better search string.

You go and find somewhere an easy to find report that says that keyboard
is bad. Has bad visibility on the keys or something.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 12:48:34 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-10 01:23, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:27:10 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>> On 2023-01-09 23:22, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (And as I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard - you can turn this on or off, and even set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different colours in different areas of the keyboard (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latter is a silly gimmick IMHO). But the light spills out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from under the keytops so if you are using the laptop in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dim light (needing the keys to be illuminated) you see a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> load of coloured rectangles as the light spills out from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the keytops, and a fainter light of the letters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Crap "form over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the light
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters is too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dark. It is difficult to read the letters, with internal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> light or external light. No contrast. Zalman ZM-K-400G
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>>> We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>>>>>> But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>>>>>> But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>>>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>>>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>>>>>> At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't remember. That was years ago.
>>>>
>>>>> Try yourself: "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"
>>>> Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
>>>> term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.
>>>
>>> Chicken.
>> Nope, its a uselss search string because you wouldn't have known
>> in advance that some fine the lettering not visible enough and not
>> visible enough isnt the same thing as invisible.

> Really?

Yep.

> Then you find a better search string.

Zalman ZM-K-400G

That's what anyone with a clue would use when considering buying one.

> You go and find somewhere an easy to find report that says that keyboard
> is bad. Has bad visibility on the keys or something.

On 2023-01-10 03:03, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 12:48:34 +1100, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-01-10 01:23, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:27:10 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-01-09 23:22, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R.  <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (And as I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard - you can turn this on or off, and even set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different colours in different areas of the keyboard (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latter is a silly gimmick IMHO). But the light spills out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from under the keytops so if you are using the laptop in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dim light (needing the keys to be illuminated) you see a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> load of coloured rectangles as the light spills out from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the keytops, and a fainter light of the letters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Crap "form over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light is too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is too dark. It is difficult to read the letters, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal light or external light. No contrast. Zalman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZM-K-400G (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>>>>>>>  But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and comments.
>>>>>>>>>  But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>>>>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>>>>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>>>>>>>  At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't remember. That was years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Try yourself:  "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"
>>>>>  Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
>>>>> term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Chicken.
>>>  Nope, its a uselss search string because you wouldn't have known
>>> in advance that some fine the lettering not visible enough and not
>>> visible enough isnt the same thing as invisible.
>
>> Really?
>
> Yep.
>
>> Then you find a better search string.
>
> Zalman ZM-K-400G
>
> That's what anyone with a clue would use when considering buying one.

Which I did at the time. Don't chicken out and prove yourself, find
somewhere an easy to find report that says that keyboard is bad. Has bad
visibility on the keys or something.

If you don't provide an actual link with such information, then EOD.

>
>> You go and find somewhere an easy to find report that says that
>> keyboard is bad. Has bad visibility on the keys or something.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 21:18:14 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2023-01-10 03:03, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 12:48:34 +1100, Carlos E.R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-01-10 01:23, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 10:27:10 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-01-09 23:22, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 09:08:06 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-01-09 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 23:18:36 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-09 01:38, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 20:35:40 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 03:46, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 12:29:02 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-07 00:47, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2023 10:33:20 +1100, Carlos E.R. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-01-06 22:30, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2023 03:09, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <op.1ybgxouxbyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the same problem. It's annoying to have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy a new keyboard when the old one is working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine but I can no longer tell one key from another.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (And as I have become older my ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to touch-type has steadily declined.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a keyboard cover, ideally, a clear one before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> markings wear off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboards work much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not either/or. do both.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backlit keyboard are great - providing it is only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter which is illuminated. My laptop has an illuminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard - you can turn this on or off, and even set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different colours in different areas of the keyboard (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latter is a silly gimmick IMHO). But the light spills out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from under the keytops so if you are using the laptop in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dim light (needing the keys to be illuminated) you see a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> load of coloured rectangles as the light spills out from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the keytops, and a fainter light of the letters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves. Crap "form over function" design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a backlit keyboard that is almost useless: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light is too dim, and the clear plastic with the letters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is too dark. It is difficult to read the letters, with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal light or external light. No contrast. Zalman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZM-K-400G (gaming keyboard).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We were discussing the fact that a backlit keyboard has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have double injection keytops so the letters never wear off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are double injected, yet hardly visible.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But won't wear off and you can see before buying that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't like the visibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, I can't see them before buying except on photos and
>>>>>>>>>>> comments.
>>>>>>>>>> But when you have enough of a clue to check reviews
>>>>>>>>>> and buy from a seller who does returns if you don't like
>>>>>>>>>> it when you have recieved it, that isnt a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The dealer is reliable and takes returns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The comments and reviews did not say anything about this.
>>>>>>>> At the dealer's or world wide using google ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't remember. That was years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try yourself: "Zalman ZM-K-400G invisible keys"
>>>>>> Not useful for what you should have done and thats a useless search
>>>>>> term for google when considering buying that keyboard anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chicken.
>>>> Nope, its a uselss search string because you wouldn't have known
>>>> in advance that some fine the lettering not visible enough and not
>>>> visible enough isnt the same thing as invisible.
>>
>>> Really?
>> Yep.
>>
>>> Then you find a better search string.
>> Zalman ZM-K-400G
>> That's what anyone with a clue would use when considering buying one.

> Which I did at the time.

You previously claimed that you don't remember where you did that.

> If you don't provide an actual link with such information, then EOD.

No one actually gives a flying red fuck what you choose to discuss.

On 1/9/2023 3:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>> and chews them.
>>
>> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html
>
> They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag.  What the hell?

I see plenty of contact info, why not ask?

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 19:55:25 -0000, Karen <kpres@nowhere.net> wrote:

> On 1/9/2023 3:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>> and chews them.
>>>
>>> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html
>>
>> They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag. What the hell?
>
> I see plenty of contact info, why not ask?

I shouldn't have to. What do they do, barter? Imagine you went into a supermarket and had to ask how much each piece of fruit was.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 00:18:35 -0000, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

> On 11/01/2023 00:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 19:55:25 -0000, Karen <kpres@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/9/2023 3:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>>>> and chews them.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html
>>>>
>>>> They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag. What the hell?
>>>
>>> I see plenty of contact info, why not ask?
>>
>> I shouldn't have to. What do they do, barter? Imagine you went into a
>> supermarket and had to ask how much each piece of fruit was.
>
> Don't waste your time. You won't be able to type on it unless you
> one-finger-peck with a force close to a sledgehammer.
>
> This one might be a bit more typing friendly.
> <https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-8422493-70-keys-rugged-desktop-industrial-computer-keyboard-kiosk-metal.html>

Since they're too stupid to quote a price, I clicked contact and it autofilled "what price is it?" So I sent it.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:39:34 -0000, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 00:18:35 -0000, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/01/2023 00:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 19:55:25 -0000, Karen <kpres@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/9/2023 3:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>>>>> and chews them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html
>>>>>
>>>>> They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag. What the hell?
>>>>
>>>> I see plenty of contact info, why not ask?
>>>
>>> I shouldn't have to. What do they do, barter? Imagine you went into a
>>> supermarket and had to ask how much each piece of fruit was.
>>
>> Don't waste your time. You won't be able to type on it unless you
>> one-finger-peck with a force close to a sledgehammer.
>>
>> This one might be a bit more typing friendly.
>> <https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-8422493-70-keys-rugged-desktop-industrial-computer-keyboard-kiosk-metal.html>
>
> Since they're too stupid to quote a price, I clicked contact and it autofilled "what price is it?" So I sent it.

Ouch.

****
KH-K68-395
USB interface
Dimensions: 395 x 135mm
QTY=1PC, USD305.00/PC EXW
QTY=10PCS, USD268.50/PC EXW
Production lead time:
Around 15-20 days upon receipt of payment and details confirmation
****

On 1/12/2023 10:05 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:39:34 -0000, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 00:18:35 -0000, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/01/2023 00:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 19:55:25 -0000, Karen <kpres@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/9/2023 3:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>>>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>>>>>> and chews them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag.  What the hell?
>>>>>
>>>>> I see plenty of contact info, why not ask?
>>>>
>>>> I shouldn't have to.  What do they do, barter?  Imagine you went into a
>>>> supermarket and had to ask how much each piece of fruit was.
>>>
>>> Don't waste your time. You won't be able to type on it unless you
>>> one-finger-peck with a force close to a sledgehammer.
>>>
>>> This one might be a bit more typing friendly.
>>> <https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-8422493-70-keys-rugged-desktop-industrial-computer-keyboard-kiosk-metal.html>
>>
>> Since they're too stupid to quote a price, I clicked contact and it autofilled "what price is it?"  So I sent it.
>
> Ouch.
>
> ****
> KH-K68-395
> USB interface
> Dimensions: 395 x 135mm
> QTY=1PC, USD305.00/PC EXW
> QTY=10PCS, USD268.50/PC EXW
> Production lead time:
> Around 15-20 days upon receipt of payment and details confirmation
> ****

That's amazingly good, considering it is hand hewn out of a stainless steel mountain.

That's why it takes 20 days (business days == four weeks).

I'm still a little concerned that the key legends are painted on
and they're not more permanent. For that kind of money, you
expect the legends to stay on there.

Paul

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 19:47:19 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 1/12/2023 10:05 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 05:39:34 -0000, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 00:18:35 -0000, Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/01/2023 00:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 19:55:25 -0000, Karen <kpres@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/9/2023 3:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 19:22:45 -0000, al <al@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>>>>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>>>>>>> and chews them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-10199709-ruggedized-industrial-metal-keyboard-compact-entry-ss-keyboard-for-info-kiosk.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They seem to have an item on sale with no price tag. What the hell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see plenty of contact info, why not ask?
>>>>>
>>>>> I shouldn't have to. What do they do, barter? Imagine you went into a
>>>>> supermarket and had to ask how much each piece of fruit was.
>>>>
>>>> Don't waste your time. You won't be able to type on it unless you
>>>> one-finger-peck with a force close to a sledgehammer.
>>>>
>>>> This one might be a bit more typing friendly.
>>>> <https://www.metal-keyboard.com/sale-8422493-70-keys-rugged-desktop-industrial-computer-keyboard-kiosk-metal.html>
>>>
>>> Since they're too stupid to quote a price, I clicked contact and it autofilled "what price is it?" So I sent it.
>>
>> Ouch.
>>
>> ****
>> KH-K68-395
>> USB interface
>> Dimensions: 395 x 135mm
>> QTY=1PC, USD305.00/PC EXW
>> QTY=10PCS, USD268.50/PC EXW
>> Production lead time:
>> Around 15-20 days upon receipt of payment and details confirmation
>> ****
>
> That's amazingly good, considering it is hand hewn out of a stainless steel mountain.

ROFL!

> That's why it takes 20 days (business days == four weeks).
>
> I'm still a little concerned that the key legends are painted on
> and they're not more permanent. For that kind of money, you
> expect the legends to stay on there.

For that kind of money, the paint is quantum paint and cannot be removed even with a laser cutter.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 23:04:53 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote:

> On 08/01/2023 21:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 21:01:50 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 09:58:22 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>>>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl:
>>>>
>>>> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 20:50:41 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>>>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:15:20 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal
>>>> keys? I'
>>>> >> >> >> am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the
>>>> >> >> >> plastic ones and chews them.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Useless. Parrot beaks are strong enough for mangling metal
>>>> keys too.
>>>> >> >> > You need a keyboard cage,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Parrots do not bend metal surely? They can undo nuts (but not
>>>> nylock
>>>> >> >> ones) but I've never known them bend metal. It's an African Grey.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I see big ones quoted at 400 psi, stronger then a Rottweiler,
>>>> >> > and three times stronger than a human bite. (about 35 bar, 3.5MPa)
>>>> >> > Strong enough to crack macadamia nuts or to bite off a finger.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess you mean a scarlet (or greenwing, or blue and gold) macaw
>>>> (or a
>>>> >> cockatoo)?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Do you know what an African grey is quoted at? All I can find is
>>>> the most
>>>> >> powerful one, a Moluccan Cockatoo, with 500 PSI.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess rotating a nylock nut requires a different direction of
>>>> strength
>>>> >> then biting through something. That will be the neck muscle, not
>>>> the beak
>>>> >> muscle.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Guess your best bet is to cover your keyboard while away,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I simply move it off the desk to a small table in the corner which
>>>> for
>>>> >> some reason he never goes to. It's where I put anything I don't want
>>>> >> attacked, like the mail.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The problem arises when I forget or stupidly think I'm only
>>>> leaving the
>>>> >> room for 2 minutes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Just putting it upside down should do it, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Just as easy to move it 3 feet to my left onto the table they for some
>>>> reason never go to in the corner.
>>>>
>>>> > It should be possible to condition yourself into that routine.
>>>>
>>>> Are you superhuman? Most people forget something 1 in 10 times. 1
>>>> in 10
>>>> is enough for him to notice.
>>>>
>>>> > BTW, you can buy cheap replacement keys for many older Macs.
>>>> > I even found a set for my 12 years old 17" MacBook Pro,
>>>> > to replace a key that kept falling off,
>>>>
>>>> I buy £3 keyboards. I doubt I can get keys that cheap. It would be
>>>> nice
>>>> to just buy the ones in the bottom right corner he goes for, but even
>>>> then
>>>> I think the cost of a handful of keys would equal the whole keyboard.
>>>
>>> My supplier also offered single keys. (and butterfly mechanisms)
>>> IIRC the postage was more than the key.
>>
>> I guess if I could find a supplier of keys who would sell me 50 keys all
>> of the same 5 types (the bottom right ones he eats) and post them all
>> together, it could be economical. But those suppliers are no doubt
>> simply taking apart whole or damaged keyboards and won't have loads of
>> one key. Also I'd have to get those 5 keys for less then £3. Also that
>> would only work if I had a decent keyboard people consider worth selling
>> replacement keys for.
>
> Just a thought! have you thought to try an Apple majic keyboard - the
> keys are very 'flat' and, maybe, not quite as tempting as the old
> fashioned type which you are probably using. Here's one I found for
> you:-
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1950143905?iid=334694805346

Got my Hama flat one, looks twice as hard to pick keys off, but not quite as flat as the Apple one. However the Apple one has no numeric keypad! Not acceptable, I shall have a look around for different Apple keyboards.

On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 23:04:53 -0000, David Brooks <David.is@home.now> wrote:

> On 08/01/2023 21:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 21:01:50 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 08 Jan 2023 09:58:22 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>>>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl:
>>>>
>>>> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 06 Jan 2023 20:50:41 -0000, J. J. Lodder
>>>> <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:15:20 -0000, J. J. Lodder:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal
>>>> keys? I'
>>>> >> >> >> am looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the
>>>> >> >> >> plastic ones and chews them.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Useless. Parrot beaks are strong enough for mangling metal
>>>> keys too.
>>>> >> >> > You need a keyboard cage,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Parrots do not bend metal surely? They can undo nuts (but not
>>>> nylock
>>>> >> >> ones) but I've never known them bend metal. It's an African Grey.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I see big ones quoted at 400 psi, stronger then a Rottweiler,
>>>> >> > and three times stronger than a human bite. (about 35 bar, 3.5MPa)
>>>> >> > Strong enough to crack macadamia nuts or to bite off a finger.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess you mean a scarlet (or greenwing, or blue and gold) macaw
>>>> (or a
>>>> >> cockatoo)?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Do you know what an African grey is quoted at? All I can find is
>>>> the most
>>>> >> powerful one, a Moluccan Cockatoo, with 500 PSI.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I guess rotating a nylock nut requires a different direction of
>>>> strength
>>>> >> then biting through something. That will be the neck muscle, not
>>>> the beak
>>>> >> muscle.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Guess your best bet is to cover your keyboard while away,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I simply move it off the desk to a small table in the corner which
>>>> for
>>>> >> some reason he never goes to. It's where I put anything I don't want
>>>> >> attacked, like the mail.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The problem arises when I forget or stupidly think I'm only
>>>> leaving the
>>>> >> room for 2 minutes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Just putting it upside down should do it, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Just as easy to move it 3 feet to my left onto the table they for some
>>>> reason never go to in the corner.
>>>>
>>>> > It should be possible to condition yourself into that routine.
>>>>
>>>> Are you superhuman? Most people forget something 1 in 10 times. 1
>>>> in 10
>>>> is enough for him to notice.
>>>>
>>>> > BTW, you can buy cheap replacement keys for many older Macs.
>>>> > I even found a set for my 12 years old 17" MacBook Pro,
>>>> > to replace a key that kept falling off,
>>>>
>>>> I buy £3 keyboards. I doubt I can get keys that cheap. It would be
>>>> nice
>>>> to just buy the ones in the bottom right corner he goes for, but even
>>>> then
>>>> I think the cost of a handful of keys would equal the whole keyboard.
>>>
>>> My supplier also offered single keys. (and butterfly mechanisms)
>>> IIRC the postage was more than the key.
>>
>> I guess if I could find a supplier of keys who would sell me 50 keys all
>> of the same 5 types (the bottom right ones he eats) and post them all
>> together, it could be economical. But those suppliers are no doubt
>> simply taking apart whole or damaged keyboards and won't have loads of
>> one key. Also I'd have to get those 5 keys for less then £3. Also that
>> would only work if I had a decent keyboard people consider worth selling
>> replacement keys for.
>
> Just a thought! have you thought to try an Apple majic keyboard - the
> keys are very 'flat' and, maybe, not quite as tempting as the old
> fashioned type which you are probably using. Here's one I found for
> you:-
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1950143905?iid=334694805346

Oh come on.... an extended version of that, with the numeric keypad, costs £70 new! For that I'd expect the monitor! Still I can get one for £20 used, and broken ones (fucked inside but all the keys there to use as spares) for £8. I shall do that if this Hama one is eaten often. These are £12 new and not as common so no spares available.

On 1/8/2023 9:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 01:57:22 -0000, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys?  I' am
>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>> and chews them.
>> Not metal keys :
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1088&bih=765&ei=k3O7Y7SeHZ6p5NoP4eKzmAQ&ved=0ahUKEwj0s7TCsLn8AhWeFFkFHWHxDEMQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABMg0IIRAWEB4QDxDxBBAdOgoIABBHENYEELADOgcIIRCgARAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUIEmWOBXYMNbaAZwAXgAgAFwiAHaAZIBAzAuMpgBAKABAqABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp>
>
> Tried one before.  Horrid to type on and they love chewing it too.  I'm
> going to try the flat keyed keyboard David suggested, which hopefully
> they can't pick the keys off.
Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room to type but
covering direct key top access.

Zaidy036:

> Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room
> to type but covering direct key top access.

It is still a doubtful pleasure even for touch-typers.

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 15:01:18 -0000, wrote:

> Zaidy036:
>
>> Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room
>> to type but covering direct key top access.
>
> It is still a doubtful pleasure even for touch-typers.

Indeed, like sex with a condom.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 14:55:22 -0000, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

> On 1/8/2023 9:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 01:57:22 -0000, Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2023 1:09 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>>>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>>>> and chews them.
>>> Not metal keys :
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&newwindow=1&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1088&bih=765&ei=k3O7Y7SeHZ6p5NoP4eKzmAQ&ved=0ahUKEwj0s7TCsLn8AhWeFFkFHWHxDEMQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=encased+rubber+membrane+keyboard&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABMg0IIRAWEB4QDxDxBBAdOgoIABBHENYEELADOgcIIRCgARAKSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUIEmWOBXYMNbaAZwAXgAgAFwiAHaAZIBAzAuMpgBAKABAqABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp>
>>
>> Tried one before. Horrid to type on and they love chewing it too. I'm
>> going to try the flat keyed keyboard David suggested, which hopefully
>> they can't pick the keys off.
> Do you touch type? if yes then make a cover with enough room to type but
> covering direct key top access.

I semi touch type. I can type with 90% accuracy without looking, so I usually look. I move my fingers around and use two per hand, plus a thumb for space.

I guess I could make a glass cover over it. But having to slide my hands under it would be a pest, and while typing I lift my hands to about 3 inches above the keys, meaning he could stick his head in there.

Commander Kinsey:

> Indeed, like sex with a condom.

"Sex with a condom is like taking a shower with clothes on."
(from "Close to Eden" aka "Urga")

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2023 16:26:06 -0000, wrote:

> Commander Kinsey:
>
>> Indeed, like sex with a condom.
>
> "Sex with a condom is like taking a shower with clothes on."
> (from "Close to Eden" aka "Urga")

Or swimming with clothes on, which some strange people do.
Or sleeping with clothes on, which some strange people do.
Or scuba diving with a giant condom on, which some strange people do.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:01:45 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

> Note: My limit for cross-posters is 3 newsgroups. You cross-posted to
> 4, so I pared the Newsgroups.
>
> Was:
> alt.comp.os.windows-10
> alt.comp.os.windows-11
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
> uk.comp.sys.mac
>Pared to:
> alt.comp.os.windows-10
> alt.comp.os.windows-11
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
>Actually the OS is irrelevant, so I could've pared down to just:
>
> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt

You have either too much time on your hands or a medical condition.

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic
>> ones and chews them.
>
> When you are at the keyboard, you are using it, not the parrot. Only
> need to keep the keyboard protected when you are away, or you could cage
> the bird. Some solutions:

I can move it while I'm not here. The problem is when I forget. He can destroy a few keys if I'm out of the room for 1 minute.

> - Get a hard plastic guard to lay atop the keyboard.
> - Get some plexy at the hardware store, use a heat gunto bend one edge
> on which you use self-stick velcro to affix to the keyboard.
> - There are keyboard trays (to elevate the keyboard if you place atop)
> into which you can slide the keyboard for storage.
> - There are keyboard drawers that slide under the desk.
> - There are monitor/laptop stands under which you could slide the
> keyboard making it unreachable to the parrot.
> - Lay a blanket atop or around the keyboard.
> - Flip the keyboard upside down.
> - Put the bird in the cage, and clean up the poop before you leave.
>
> Warn your friends before they come over that you let your birds "go"
> everywhere in your residence.

I have a beware of the parrot sign on my front door for a laugh.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 18:58:28 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword <invalid.invalid@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 05/01/2023 06:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Is there such a thing as a computer keyboard with metal keys? I' am
>> looking for a parrot proof keyboard as mine pulls off the plastic ones
>> and chews them.
> Have heard of super-glue? You can use it to glue all the keys of your
> keyboard to keep them safe from roaming parrot in your house.
>
> https://docs.rs-online.com/376b/0900766b8002c4ea.pdf

How would that help? And stop using my old sock.