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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 14:31 UTC

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:01:50 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
<justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:

>Easier than I thought. I have Windows 8 Pro I bought through a home
>program at a previous employer. I could've sworn I had a new key
>when I upgraded to 10, I looked all over for it, couldn't find it, and
>finally tried my Win8 pro key, which it just took and activated without
>any hassle.

Starting with Windows 8, Microsoft started allowing OEM product keys
embedded into the BIOS. If your computer activates and you don't have
a product-key sticker slapped on the side of it, that's what's going
on. Especially if it's a big-name manufacturer (Dell, Acer, Lenovo,
HP, etc.). You only really need worry about product keys for Windows
if you buy retail versions of the software, build your own PC, or buy
one from a smaller OEM.

>Maybe that was some previous edition, I still have the CDs
>and keys for 95, 98, XP as well as a few old versions of office in the same
>drawer. I got rid of my 3.1 floppies when I moved a couple years ago,
>I think there were floppies missing anyway and there were something
>like 23 of them which takes up a lot of space.

I just bought some floppy disks for the first time in, what, thirty
years? Since I was working on older hardware, I figured they might
come in handy. Even back in the day, I tended to scrounge my disks (so
many AOL floppies!) so I never needed to buy any. But over the years
they've all been tossed (and, anyway, most of them weren't good
quality to begin with).

I still have a handful of 5.25" disks, including my old Windows 3.0
disks. Sure, I don't have a working DRIVE to use them in, but you
never know when the disks might come in handy. ;-)

>I should probably look into getting a license for my son, he's had
>the 'Activate Windows' ever since I put together his computer, but
>it always seems to be exorbitantly expensive unless you get it OEM
>which as you mention are only good for that manufactured PC.
>It looks like MS isn't selling it online anymore, but it was $199
>for pro 2 months ago. I just checked and you can get keys for
>like $4?!? I question the validity/legality though.

Any key you get for $4 is almost certainly pirated, non-working, or a
scam to get malware on your PC.

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From: rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge)
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 by: Ross Ridge - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 20:52 UTC

Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
>That reminds me to complain about the backplate. Still a badly fitting
>aluminum can strength pos that takes a good deal of fiddling to get
>in there. Admittedly the last few were even more trouble, but it's
>basically the same. Of course I tend to go cheap with MB, so maybe
>more expensive ones have better backplates?
The more expensive ones have backplates already attached or integrated
into the motherboard. I'm kinda surprised not all motherboards do this
these days as forgetting to install the backplate is one of the common
mistakes people make.

>A couple of the videos I watched when I was investigating coolers, the
>dual towers outperformed the AIO water coolers at a considerably lower
>price.

There's considerable overlap between tower coolers and AIO coolers,
but the top end AIO coolers generally outperform the top end dual-tower
coolers. For most people I wouldn't recommend AIO coolers, but they do
make accessing things around the CPU easier. So would a cheap a single
tower cooler as well though. Mine leaves just enough room to access the
primary M.2 slot, and plenty of room to access the DIMMs and graphics
card slots.

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 by: Justisaur - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 01:44 UTC

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:52:57 PM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Justisaur <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >That reminds me to complain about the backplate. Still a badly fitting
> >aluminum can strength pos that takes a good deal of fiddling to get
> >in there. Admittedly the last few were even more trouble, but it's
> >basically the same. Of course I tend to go cheap with MB, so maybe
> >more expensive ones have better backplates?
> The more expensive ones have backplates already attached or integrated
> into the motherboard. I'm kinda surprised not all motherboards do this
> these days as forgetting to install the backplate is one of the common
> mistakes people make.
> >A couple of the videos I watched when I was investigating coolers, the
> >dual towers outperformed the AIO water coolers at a considerably lower
> >price.
> There's considerable overlap between tower coolers and AIO coolers,
> but the top end AIO coolers generally outperform the top end dual-tower
> coolers. For most people I wouldn't recommend AIO coolers, but they do
> make accessing things around the CPU easier. So would a cheap a single
> tower cooler as well though. Mine leaves just enough room to access the
> primary M.2 slot, and plenty of room to access the DIMMs and graphics
> card slots.

It looks like the M.2 slot would be a little tricky, it's got a plate (heatsink?)
over it I'd have to unscrew and slide with no extra clearance on one of
the screws. Dims are fine though.

- Justisaur

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> I just bought some floppy disks for the first time in, what, thirty
> years? Since I was working on older hardware, I figured they might
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> many AOL floppies!) so I never needed to buy any. But over the years
> they've all been tossed (and, anyway, most of them weren't good
> quality to begin with).

> I still have a handful of 5.25" disks, including my old Windows 3.0
> disks. Sure, I don't have a working DRIVE to use them in, but you
> never know when the disks might come in handy. ;-)

I still have mine that my parents kept. :O
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 by: JAB - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 10:26 UTC

On 23/03/2023 20:52, Ross Ridge wrote:
> The more expensive ones have backplates already attached or integrated
> into the motherboard. I'm kinda surprised not all motherboards do this
> these days as forgetting to install the backplate is one of the common
> mistakes people make.

I shall put that in the category of, yeh why don't they do that as I
presume the cost saving is minimal.

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 by: Justisaur - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 13:28 UTC

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:52:57 PM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Justisaur <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >That reminds me to complain about the backplate. Still a badly fitting
> >aluminum can strength pos that takes a good deal of fiddling to get
> >in there. Admittedly the last few were even more trouble, but it's
> >basically the same. Of course I tend to go cheap with MB, so maybe
> >more expensive ones have better backplates?

> The more expensive ones have backplates already attached or integrated
> into the motherboard.

I'll put that on my mental list for my next MB upgrade in another 6-10 years :)

> I'm kinda surprised not all motherboards do this
> these days as forgetting to install the backplate is one of the common
> mistakes people make.

I did that once, a few upgrades ago, not by mistake exactly, I just couldn't get
the MB in with the backplate on after far too long of trying.

- Justisaur

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 14:52 UTC

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 06:38:56 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I still have a handful of 5.25" disks, including my old Windows 3.0
>> disks. Sure, I don't have a working DRIVE to use them in, but you
>> never know when the disks might come in handy. ;-)

>I still have mine that my parents kept. :O

But does it /work/? Because I bet the rubber band on the motor has
perished and the gears all need lubricating. Unless you've been
regularly using the drive, its probably non-functional... like the one
I have in my (now incredibly neatly organized) collection.

;-)

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 by: Zaghadka - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:33 UTC

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 18:44:27 -0700 (PDT), in
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Justisaur wrote:

>On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 1:52:57?PM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Justisaur <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >That reminds me to complain about the backplate. Still a badly fitting
>> >aluminum can strength pos that takes a good deal of fiddling to get
>> >in there. Admittedly the last few were even more trouble, but it's
>> >basically the same. Of course I tend to go cheap with MB, so maybe
>> >more expensive ones have better backplates?
>> The more expensive ones have backplates already attached or integrated
>> into the motherboard. I'm kinda surprised not all motherboards do this
>> these days as forgetting to install the backplate is one of the common
>> mistakes people make.
>> >A couple of the videos I watched when I was investigating coolers, the
>> >dual towers outperformed the AIO water coolers at a considerably lower
>> >price.
>> There's considerable overlap between tower coolers and AIO coolers,
>> but the top end AIO coolers generally outperform the top end dual-tower
>> coolers. For most people I wouldn't recommend AIO coolers, but they do
>> make accessing things around the CPU easier. So would a cheap a single
>> tower cooler as well though. Mine leaves just enough room to access the
>> primary M.2 slot, and plenty of room to access the DIMMs and graphics
>> card slots.
>
>It looks like the M.2 slot would be a little tricky, it's got a plate (heatsink?)
>over it I'd have to unscrew and slide with no extra clearance on one of
>the screws. Dims are fine though.
>
The M.2 retaining screws that came with my mainboard were damn near
microscopic.

Was that a bad design choice by ASUS, or is that really the standard?

--
Zag

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spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: Zaghadka - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:35 UTC

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 10:52:15 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 06:38:56 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>>Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> I still have a handful of 5.25" disks, including my old Windows 3.0
>>> disks. Sure, I don't have a working DRIVE to use them in, but you
>>> never know when the disks might come in handy. ;-)
>
>>I still have mine that my parents kept. :O
>
>But does it /work/? Because I bet the rubber band on the motor has
>perished and the gears all need lubricating. Unless you've been
>regularly using the drive, its probably non-functional... like the one
>I have in my (now incredibly neatly organized) collection.
>
GoTek has a really nice virtual floppy if you had the prescience to image
them.

--
Zag

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 by: Anssi Saari - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 20:57 UTC

Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> writes:

> The M.2 retaining screws that came with my mainboard were damn near
> microscopic.

I've only seen one kind, small. I consider the screws in my reading
glasses microscopic, the m.2 screws are just small.

> Was that a bad design choice by ASUS, or is that really the standard?

Interesting question. Crucial (at
https://www.crucial.com/support/articles-faq-ssd/about-m2-ssd-screws)
explains they don't include screws with their SSDs due to a lack of
standard but that the common size is M2x3. Which means two millimeters
diameter, 3 millimeters long.

I think that's the size of screws I've had in two computers and a couple
of USB-m.2 cases.

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 by: Justisaur - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:14 UTC

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-7, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > The M.2 retaining screws that came with my mainboard were damn near
> > microscopic.
> I've only seen one kind, small. I consider the screws in my reading
> glasses microscopic, the m.2 screws are just small.
> > Was that a bad design choice by ASUS, or is that really the standard?

> Interesting question. Crucial (at
> https://www.crucial.com/support/articles-faq-ssd/about-m2-ssd-screws)
> explains they don't include screws with their SSDs due to a lack of
> standard but that the common size is M2x3. Which means two millimeters
> diameter, 3 millimeters long.
>
> I think that's the size of screws I've had in two computers and a couple
> of USB-m.2 cases.

The only ones I've seen were the ones in the laptops/mini desktops at
work and I think they were about that size. About half were screwed
in too hard and stripped trying to get them out, making the whole thing
useless.

Standard glasses screws have a 2 mm head, 1.4mm shaft, but vary in
length considerably, so not much smaller.

- Justisaur

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