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* Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocolWally J
+- Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocolAlan
`* Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocolJolly Roger
 `* Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocolWally J
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 by: Wally J - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:38 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> but the fact
> is many people use Apple devices without the *completely* *optional*
> iCloud service for years without issue.

Hi Jolly Roger,

While Snit & Alan Baker & Joerg are plonked, I read everything you write.
And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, JR.

What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times you
must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I provided.

For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, JR.
<https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login

And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of.
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins

> I have an iPhone SE (1st gen)
> semi-permanently mounted to the windshield of my car that hasn't been
> logged into iCloud for years, and it functions as a dedicated dash cam
> without issue.

What's no longer shocking about you uneducated ignorant iKooks, Jolly
Roger, is you can't figure out that the iCloud login is _not_ the problem.

I too could download all the software I wanted to get from the App Store,
for example, which worked even when Apple bricked the rest of my devices.
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
Note: You can install apps - you just can't delete & then re-install them.

What you don't understand is the sheer number of logins Apple requires,
and, more importantly, if you don't log into them frequently, then what you
consider wonders of the walled garden immediately stop (e.g., FaceTime).

> He's a pathetic loser.

It's no longer shocking that you iKooks are incapable of responding to the
fact that you _hate_ about Apple products so you attack the bearer of fact.

So be it.

Fact is, you've never once found any fact from me to ever be wrong, even as
you _hate_ almost every fact that I prove to you about Apple products, JR.
--
The problem with iKooks isn't so much how incredibly ignorant they are, but
they refuse to believe any facts about Apple which they themselves hate.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:45 UTC

On 2023-12-12 14:38, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> but the fact
>> is many people use Apple devices without the *completely* *optional*
>> iCloud service for years without issue.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> While Snit & Alan Baker & Joerg are plonked, I read everything you write.
> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things, JR.
>
> What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times you
> must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I provided.
>
> For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login, JR.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login

And nothing requires you to use either one.

>
> And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins

And you aren't required to use them.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 01:18 UTC

On 2023-12-12, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> but the fact is many people use Apple devices without the
>> *completely* *optional* iCloud service for years without issue.
>
> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things,
> JR.

Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices
work.

> What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times
> you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I
> provided.

Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and
continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking about.
You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires
you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing troll.

> For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login,
> JR.

You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the fact
that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your trolls
are as weak as your interpersonal skills.

> And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of.

More projection from the Apple-hating loser troll. You logged into that
account and now like a complete moron you are complaining that your
logged-in account is asking for your credentials. How fucking dumb are
you? Pretty fucking dumb it appears.

>> I have an iPhone SE (1st gen) semi-permanently mounted to the
>> windshield of my car that hasn't been logged into iCloud for years,
>> and it functions as a dedicated dash cam without issue.
>
> uneducated
> ignorant
> iKooks

Poor, little triggered Arlen...

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 02:06 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things,
>> JR.
>
> Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices
> work.

Hi Jolly Roger,

The unsurprising thing is you iKooks have no clue whatsoever that there's a
login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the iCloud server.
<https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login

And plenty more.
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins

It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products work.

>> What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times
>> you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I
>> provided.
>
> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and
> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking about.

Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into Apple
servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown here.
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings

> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires
> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing troll.

I understand you better than you know yourself, Jolly Roger, so I forgive
you for lashing out at me simply for telling you the truth about Apple.

>> For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login,
>> JR.
>
> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the fact
> that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your trolls
> are as weak as your interpersonal skills.

No. You're wrong Jolly Roger. That was caused by Apple who forces you to
identify yourself with a government ID if you ever stop logging into it.
<https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple

>> And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of.
>
> More projection from the Apple-hating loser troll. You logged into that
> account and now like a complete moron you are complaining that your
> logged-in account is asking for your credentials. How fucking dumb are
> you? Pretty fucking dumb it appears.

Again, I forgive you for hating all facts about Apple products, Jolly
Roger. But you hating what Apple does doesn't change what Apple does.

It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging into
Apple servers - because if you didn't - Apple will brick your device.
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ the device!

What you hate is that almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply
choose to NOT log into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single
moment of the rest of your life, Jolly Roger.

Which is why I feel sorry for you iKooks after all.

You're so _happy_ being oblivious to everything about Apple products
that you hate me (and Apple) when I prove to you what Apple does.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 02:15 UTC

On 2023-12-12 18:06, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things,
>>> JR.
>>
>> Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices
>> work.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> The unsurprising thing is you iKooks have no clue whatsoever that there's a
> login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the iCloud server.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> iCloud login
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> iMessage login
>
> And plenty more.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> Plenty of other Apple logins
>
> It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products work.
>
>
>>> What you do not understand, Jolly Roger, is there are _multiple_ times
>>> you must log into an Apple device, as witnessed by the very images I
>>> provided.
>>
>> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and
>> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking about.
>
> Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into Apple
> servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown here.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings
>
>> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires
>> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing troll.
>
> I understand you better than you know yourself, Jolly Roger, so I forgive
> you for lashing out at me simply for telling you the truth about Apple.
>
>>> For example, there's an iCloud login and there's an iMessage login,
>>> JR.
>>
>> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the fact
>> that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your trolls
>> are as weak as your interpersonal skills.
>
> No. You're wrong Jolly Roger. That was caused by Apple who forces you to
> identify yourself with a government ID if you ever stop logging into it.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple
>
>>> And there's plenty more, Jolly Roger, none of which are you aware of.
>>
>> More projection from the Apple-hating loser troll. You logged into that
>> account and now like a complete moron you are complaining that your
>> logged-in account is asking for your credentials. How fucking dumb are
>> you? Pretty fucking dumb it appears.
>
> Again, I forgive you for hating all facts about Apple products, Jolly
> Roger. But you hating what Apple does doesn't change what Apple does.
>
> It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging into
> Apple servers - because if you didn't - Apple will brick your device.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ the device!
>
> What you hate is that almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply
> choose to NOT log into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single
> moment of the rest of your life, Jolly Roger.
>
> Which is why I feel sorry for you iKooks after all.
>
> You're so _happy_ being oblivious to everything about Apple products
> that you hate me (and Apple) when I prove to you what Apple does.

You're such an amazing simpleton...

....or bald-face liar...

....or mostly likely of all...

....both!

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 04:06 UTC

On 2023-12-13, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> And it's clear you have absolutely no idea of how Apple does things,
>>> JR.
>>
>> Projection. It is *you* who has absolutely no idea how Apple devices
>> work.
>
> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever

More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any points,
dumb ass.

> there's a login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the
> iCloud server.

Yes, bozo. That's what happens when you log into a server - it asks for
your credentials. You really are *this* fucking stupid, huh?

> It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products
> work.

More projection. You exude weak-mindedness.

>> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and
>> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking
>> about.
>
> Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into
> Apple servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown
> here.

No, you clearly don't know that if you hadn't logged into it in the
first place, it would never ask for your credentials. You are truly an
idiot. You log into servers and then complain when they ask for your
credentials, like a complete moron. Are you a boomer? Because you sire
think like one. 🤣

>> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires
>> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing
>> troll.
>
> I understand you better than you know yourself

In your fevered dreams.

> I forgive you for lashing out at me

I don't forgive you, Arlen. And I hope you die soon. On that day, we'll
celebrate with a drink here, because the world will instantly become a
bit brighter due to your absence. Count on that. 🙂

>> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage, Arlen. And the
>> fact that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your
>> trolls are as weak as your interpersonal skills.
>
> No. You're wrong Jolly Roger.

Nope, I'm right. And I have a years-old 1st generation iPhone SE right
here that is living proof. I haven't been asked to log into *any* Apple
servers for literal *years*. You *desperately* want to pretend this
isn't the case, but it is. And nothing you can ever say will change this
reality.

> Apple who forces you to identify yourself with a government ID if you
> ever stop logging into it.

Nope. You already admitted you never logged out and then forgot your
credentials, like the complete idiot you are.

> It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging
> into Apple servers

It's clear you *desperately* want to pretend my iPhone SE hasn't been
logged into an Apple server in many years and works just fine. You also
comically don't remember you already admitted staying logged into Apple
servers then forgetting your own username and password, before turning
around and claiming Apple fucked you like the complete jackass you are.
And you apparently think the rest of us don't remember that too.
Dementia is setting in, eh?

> almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply choose to NOT log
> into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single moment of the
> rest of your life

Objectively and laughably false. 🤣

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 05:45 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever
>
> More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any points,
> dumb ass.

You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant that
Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers, and if you do not
frequently log into those mothership servers, Apple will brick the device.

You _hate_ every truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger, so you blame me.
So be it.

>
>> there's a login into the iMessage server and _another_ login into the
>> iCloud server.
>
> Yes, bozo. That's what happens when you log into a server - it asks for
> your credentials. You really are *this* fucking stupid, huh?

Again, you _hate_ every truth about Apple, which you can't dispute.
So you take out your _hatred for Apple_ on the bearer of those truths.

So be it.

>> It's no longer shocking you iKooka have no idea how Apple products
>> work.
>
> More projection. You exude weak-mindedness.

Heh heh heh. You _hate_ all truths about Apple. I tell those truths.
So you hate me.

So be it.

>>> Nope. My iPhone SE hasn't asked or required a login for *years* and
>>> continues to work just fine. You don't know what you are talking
>>> about.
>>
>> Ah, but I do. I know full well what happens if you don't log into
>> Apple servers when they ask you to "Update Apple ID settings" as shown
>> here.
>
> No, you clearly don't know that if you hadn't logged into it in the
> first place, it would never ask for your credentials.

For the first time in oh, I don't know, a dozen posts, you've said
something that is actually correct about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

I never said otherwise, Jolly Roger.

> You are truly an
> idiot. You log into servers and then complain when they ask for your
> credentials, like a complete moron. Are you a boomer? Because you sire
> think like one.

What's interesting is that you _hate_ the truth about Apple so much that
you build this senseless strawman so that you can attack it instead of
accepting the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

You _hate_ that Apple forces you to log in repeatedly for the rest of your
life, don't you? And yet you have no defense to that truth that you hate.

So you hate me simply for teaching you how your Apple product works.
So be it.

>>> You think iCloud is mandatory when it's not. You think Apple requires
>>> you to log in, when they do not. You are a useless, know-nothing
>>> troll.
>>
>> I understand you better than you know yourself
>
> In your fevered dreams.

I love when you post, Jolly Roger.
Because you're the epitome of the average Apple user.

From you, I learn how Apple easily brainwashes that average Apple user.
Thank you.

>> I forgive you for lashing out at me
>
> And I hope you die soon. On that day, we'll
> celebrate with a drink here, because the world will instantly become a
> bit brighter due to your absence. Count on that.

It's a good thing you didn't say it like nospam and Rod Speed did, JR.
So I won't take that as a direct threat worthy of reporting to the FBI.

However...

It does show how deathly afraid you are of me, Jolly Roger.
Simply for telling the truth about Apple products.

The fact you're so deathly afraid of the truth tells me a lot about you.

>
>>> You caused that by logging into iCloud and iMessage. And the
>>> fact that you think the rest of us don't know that is pathetic. Your
>>> trolls are as weak as your interpersonal skills.
>>
>> No. You're wrong Jolly Roger.
>
> Nope, I'm right. And I have a years-old 1st generation iPhone SE right
> here that is living proof. I haven't been asked to log into *any* Apple
> servers for literal *years*. You *desperately* want to pretend this
> isn't the case, but it is. And nothing you can ever say will change this
> reality.

Yes you have, Jolly Roger. You just skip past it and do exactly what they
tell you to do, Jolly Roger. You can't say you've never seen this, can you?
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS nag items

>> Apple who forces you to identify yourself with a government ID if you
>> ever stop logging into it.
>
> Nope. You already admitted you never logged out and then forgot your
> credentials, like the complete idiot you are.

Heh heh heh... again you build a strawman because you can't recognize from
the screenshots that I logged into my own account without any problem once
they _unlocked_ it (I never needed to change the login or password, JR).
<https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple

What you _hate_ Jolly Roger, is that simple fact about Apple products.

Everything you love about Apple, for example, Jolly Roger, is purely due to
one thing & one thing only - which is everything is done on their servers.

You _hate_ that fact.

>> It's clear you have absolutely no idea that you're continually logging
>> into Apple servers
>
> It's clear you *desperately* want to pretend my iPhone SE hasn't been
> logged into an Apple server in many years and works just fine.

Ah, but you have Jolly Roger. You have. You just never explicitly tested
NOT logging into Apple servers every day for the rest of your life.

So you never saw this:
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTdfLY2f/locked-03.jpg> Apple wants a gov license!

> You also
> comically don't remember you already admitted staying logged into Apple
> servers then forgetting your own username and password, before turning
> around and claiming Apple fucked you like the complete jackass you are.
> And you apparently think the rest of us don't remember that too.
> Dementia is setting in, eh?

I know the AppleID login and password to _all_ my iPads, Jolly Roger.
Apple locked the account because I didn't log into them frequently enough.

Haven't you ever seen this message from Apple, Jolly Roger?
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg>

>> almost nothing works on Apple products if you simply choose to NOT log
>> into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single moment of the
>> rest of your life
>
> Objectively and laughably false.

I love you Jolly Roger - so I'd ask you to run a simple experiment please.

Try NOT logging into your wondrous Apple servers, Jolly Roger.
And _then_ tell me that the statement is "false"....

But I do appreciate that you show how much you hate facts about Apple
products... so much that you wish me dead... simply for telling the facts.

Interesting how much you, nospam and Rod Speed all hate facts about Apple.
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 by: Alan - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 07:25 UTC

On 2023-12-12 21:45, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever
>>
>> More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any points,
>> dumb ass.
>
> You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant that
> Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers, and if you do not
> frequently log into those mothership servers, Apple will brick the device.

This is false.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 16:26 UTC

On 2023-12-13, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> you iKooks have no clue whatsoever
>>
>> More projection. BTW, repeating yourself isn't winning you any
>> points, dumb ass.
>
> You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
> that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers

No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining when
the servers ask you to verify your credentials. If you don't sign in,
you don't get asked for your credentials, idiot. You have to be a boomer.
There's no other explanation. Also, stop bitching and moaning about
insults when every single post you make here for the past decade calls
Apple users "iKooks" and worse, you fucking crybaby. 🤣

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 by: Wally J - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 17:15 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
>> that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers
>
> No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining when
> the servers ask you to verify your credentials.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I've tested it. You haven't.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!

In fact, I've tested it, on purpose, for years.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

You haven't tested it for one second.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional

So I respectfully say you don't know what you're talking about, JR.
I do.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Meanwhile, I tested it also on Android, and guess what! No ID needed.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NG5pHyBx/aurora10.jpg> No need for a Google Account

I think you don't understand _why_ I tested Apple's words against Apple's
actions, just as I test Google's words against their actual actions, JR.

While Apple brags (rightly so) about how "great" their "integration" is,
what Apple doesn't brag about is that nothing works unless you're
constantly logging into Apple's many mothership tracking servers.

That's just a fact, Jolly Roger.

No other common consumer operating system requires such a tremendous level
of constantly logging into their mothership tracking servers (although
Windows 11 is "starting" to get as bad as Apple is on lack of privacy).

> If you don't sign in,
> you don't get asked for your credentials, idiot.

Jolly Roger,
Stop trying to insult my intelligence because it's you who couldn't pass
your GED exam (you said you tried three times and failed); so just stop it.

I know your IQ better than you do, Jolly Roger.
I know you're _desperate_ for me to just go away.
I know your child-like brain thinks calling me an "idiot" will do that.

The fact that you don't understand how Apple products work doesn't make me
an idiot - when - in fact - nothing works in the walled garden if you stop
logging into it (day after day, month after month, year after year), JR.

> You have to be a boomer.
> There's no other explanation. Also, stop bitching and moaning about
> insults when every single post you make here for the past decade calls
> Apple users "iKooks" and worse, you fucking crybaby.

Jolly Roger,

Don't worry about insulting me - as it's not possible - just as Alan Baker
tries to tell me I'm stupid when he claims to drive bimmers and teach
racing yet he doesn't have any idea what the vehicles are called in racing
circuits (which, let's be clear - only a moron wouldn't know).

Its the same with Alan Browne who hates me for telling him the truth about
Apple - so much that he calls me an "it" (as if that hurts my feelings).

These morons have no idea that the very fact that all they have are
kindergarten insults - says so much about them instead of about me.

I simply tell each of you the truth about yourselves, Jolly Roger.
Because I study you rather strange iKooks.

In decades at startups in the Silicon Valley I never met people like you
iKooks who hate all facts so much that you call every person who tells you
a fact that you don't want to hear - some childish kindergarten taunt.

It's the same with you Jolly Roger. You can't possibly insult me.
Yet you try.

You want me dead.
Simply because I told you the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

You don't even know the difference between a megabit and a decibel, JR.
You proved that many times - and if you deny it - I'll provide cites.

Snit tried to pull that game with me years ago, Jolly Roger.
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!

None of you iKooks can tell the difference between a decibel and a megabit,
so of course Apple marketing plays you like a fiddle, Jolly Roger.

I understand you because I study you, Jolly Roger.

You don't hate Apple for playing you like a fiddle, Jolly Roger.
You hate me for telling you the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

So be it.
--
The last think the iKooks want to know is any fact or truth about Apple.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 19:44 UTC

On 2023-12-13, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
>>> that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers
>>
>> No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining
>> when the servers ask you to verify your credentials.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> I've tested it. You haven't.

My iPhone SE that has been functioning perfectly without being signed
into Apple's servers is living proof I *have* tested it. Your crippled
device is proof that you:
1. signed into Apple servers
2. forgot your credentials
3. got locked out of Apple services as a result of your stupidity
4. turned around and blamed Apple like the dip shit boomer you are
5. lied about it in order to troll the Apple newsgroups

> In fact, I've tested it, on purpose, for years.

Translation: "I've sabotaged myself in order to troll for years."

> You haven't tested it for one second.

My iPhone SE has been running fine for *years* without being logged into
Apple servers. 🙂

> So I respectfully say you don't know what you're talking about, JR.

Projection, as usual.

> While Apple brags (rightly so) about how "great" their "integration"
> is, what Apple doesn't brag about is that nothing works unless you're
> constantly logging into Apple's many mothership tracking servers.

Repeating this lie doesn't magically make it become true, Arlen. You
signed into Apple servers and like a moron you are complaining that
Apple servers asked for your credentials. You're a clown. 🤡

>> If you don't sign in, you don't get asked for your credentials,
>> idiot.
>
> Jolly Roger, Stop trying to insult my intelligence because it's you
> who couldn't pass your GED exam (you said you tried three times and
> failed); so just stop it.

The record shows that unlike you, I have never discussed or bragged
about my education on Usenet or anywhere else on the net, Arlen. And to
prove it, you can't reference any post of mine on Usenet that does so.
Because it doesn't exist. Your schoolyard insults are juvenile and weak,
like your character. Your brazen and outlandish lies are frankly
pathetic.

> I know your IQ better than you do, Jolly Roger.

The pathetic troll thinks IQ pissing contests are a measure of worth.

> I know you're _desperate_ for me to just go away.

Says the loser who is literally trolling a newsgroup for a product he
clearly hates, hour after hour, day after day. If anyone is desperate,
it's you. 🤣

> These morons have no idea that the very fact that all they have are
> kindergarten insults - says so much about them instead of about me.

Says the loser troll who regularly calls everyone in the Apple news
groups "iKooks":

> Because I study you rather strange iKooks.

> You don't even know the difference between a megabit and a decibel,
> JR. You proved that many times - and if you deny it - I'll provide
> cites.

You can't provide cites of me supposedly not being able to differentiate
between those two words, because it doesn't exist. Just like you can't
provide cites of me talking about my education. You, on the other hand
*regularly* boast about your education, posting pictures of old books
and calling everyone you hate "low IQ". You can't help but project your
weaknesses onto others, like all pathetic losers do.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Alan - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:07 UTC

On 2023-12-13 09:15, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
>>> that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers
>>
>> No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining when
>> the servers ask you to verify your credentials.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> I've tested it. You haven't.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!

What that doesn't show is the REASON for locking it out...

>
> In fact, I've tested it, on purpose, for years.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

If you've created an AppleID...

>
> You haven't tested it for one second.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional

The very nature if a messaging app REQUIRES an ID.

>
> So I respectfully say you don't know what you're talking about, JR.
> I do.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

"Some account SERVICES..."

>
> Meanwhile, I tested it also on Android, and guess what! No ID needed.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/NG5pHyBx/aurora10.jpg> No need for a Google Account

"404 Not found"

So no proof of your essential claim.

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 by: Wally J - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:05 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> I've tested it. You haven't.
>
> My iPhone SE that has been functioning perfectly without being signed
> into Apple's servers is living proof I *have* tested it.

Hi Jolly Roger,

Unless you're jailbroken perhaps... that is an absurd claim, even from you.

If you actually _believe_ you've never "signed into Apple's servers", then
it's going to be difficult to carry on any *adult conversation* with you.

Because... you audaciously claim...
*You've never even once sent or received a message on your Messages app?*
*You've never even once sent or received a FaceTime conversation?*
*You've never even once installed an app from Apple's App Store?*
*You've never even once experienced a default backup to the iCloud?*
*You've never even once upgraded your version or updated your subversion?*
*You've never even once posted or received iCloud mail from your iPhone?*
*You never (optionally) signed up for 2-factor authorization perhaps?*
etc.

No *adult* would claim what you just claimed on an iOS device, Jolly Roger.
Certainly no *adult* would believe it given that's how iOS is designed.

This is, for example, my nag screen when I recently updated to iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS1 6.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings

> Your crippled device is proof that you:
> 1. signed into Apple servers
> 2. forgot your credentials
> 3. got locked out of Apple services as a result of your stupidity
> 4. turned around and blamed Apple like the dip shit boomer you are
> 5. lied about it in order to troll the Apple newsgroups

First off, I know the credentials, so that strawman is remiss.

Second, it's not crippled so much as unilaterally bricked by Apple simply
for not constantly and repeatedly signing into Apple servers, Jolly Roger.

Which I did on purpose.
On three iPads.

Just to test what Apple would do.

Here's what Apple did recently when I proved to them by giving away my
privacy - because Apple required my government ID & proof of purchase, just
so that Apple would _unlock_ my Apple ID (whose password never changed).
<https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple
<https://i.postimg.cc/4dHQQFfk/locked-02.jpg> Password was always good
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTdfLY2f/locked-03.jpg> Apple wants a gov license!!!
<https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> Then, iCloud works again
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> Then, Messages works again

In summary, you _hate_ the fact that Apple forces users to constantly log
into Apple servers when no other operating system (maybe now with Windows
11) forces the users to constantly and repetitively log into those
mothership tracking servers - or - Apple will unilaterally lock your
account (which essentially unilaterally bricks your Apple device given most
functionality is inside the walled garden).

*You _hate_ that fact about Apple*, Jolly Roger.

But you hating all facts about Apple doesn't make those facts not facts.
--
It just means you hate what Apple does.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:55 UTC

On 2023-12-15, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> I've tested it. You haven't.
>>
>> My iPhone SE that has been functioning perfectly without being signed
>> into Apple's servers is living proof I *have* tested it.
>
> Hi Jolly Roger,
>
> Unless you're jailbroken

Nope, sorry. No jailbreak needed. Your ignorance is astounding. There is
no requirement to log into Apple servers on an iPhone. You willingly
signed in, "forgot" your own credentials, and bullheadedly refused to
fix the problem you caused, locking yourself out of your own device
(likely also willingly in order to roll your lame troll).

> If you actually _believe_ you've never "signed into Apple's servers"

The record shows I didn't make that idiotic claim. You have a real
problem with reading comprehension it seems. What I did say is true:
there is no requirement to log into Apple servers in order to use an
iPhone, and your "problem" was self-created by you logging into Apple
servers willingly, "forgetting" your credentials, and refusing to
rectify that self-imposed issue.

> it's going to be difficult to carry on any *adult conversation* with you.

You project like no other, Arlen.

>> Your crippled device is proof that you:
>> 1. signed into Apple servers
>> 2. forgot your credentials
>> 3. got locked out of Apple services as a result of your stupidity
>> 4. turned around and blamed Apple like the dip shit boomer you are
>> 5. lied about it in order to troll the Apple newsgroups
>
> First off, I know the credentials, so that strawman is remiss.

That's a lie. You are on record stating you used fake throw-away
credentials that you *couldn't* remember. And if you *did* know them,
you would have easily entered them.

> Second, it's not crippled so much as unilaterally bricked by Apple
> simply for not constantly and repeatedly signing into Apple servers

Nope, you locked yourself out by refusing to verify the credentials you
used to willingly sign in.

> Which I did on purpose.

Indeed, you fucked yourself on purpose in order to roll your lame troll.
You're a clown.

> On three iPads.

LOL... 🤣

> Just to test what Apple would do.

Just to troll.

--
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JR

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