Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-05, soyon <soyon@soyon.biz> wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:20:44 -0700, Alan wrote:
> >
> >>> It's classic for nospam to have only 7 excuses for why his beloved
> >>> iPhone can't do the simplest of things that Android phones already
> >>> easily do.
> >>
> >> You think Apple CAN'T make a folding phone the equal of what has been
> >> released?
> >
> > On that note, blah blah blah
>
> Arlen just can't stop creating new nyms. It's an addiction and
> obsession! Poor, old fart just can't stop. : D

"new"? This one is already a year or more old, so get with the
program, will you!? :-)

On 06.11.2022 08:37, Alan wrote:

> Got it.

I have posted here and there for years.

I can tell what you are.
You are a coward. And you don't know how iOS updates.

You speak a lot but you don't say anything.
You don't even know how iOS is upgraded.

The only iOS that is fully patched is iOS 16.
https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/web

How far back can iOS devices support iOS 16 today?

Am 06.11.22 um 15:09 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Arlen just can't stop creating new nyms. It's an addiction and
>> obsession! Poor, old fart just can't stop. : D
>
> "new"? This one is already a year or more old, so get with the
> program, will you!? :-)

As so often you do not understand what is really going on in the Android
and iPhone groups.

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On 2022-11-06, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-05, soyon <soyon@soyon.biz> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 09:20:44 -0700, Alan wrote:
>> >
>> >>> It's classic for nospam to have only 7 excuses for why his
>> >>> beloved iPhone can't do the simplest of things that Android
>> >>> phones already easily do.
>> >>
>> >> You think Apple CAN'T make a folding phone the equal of what has
>> >> been released?
>> >
>> > On that note, blah blah blah
>>
>> Arlen just can't stop creating new nyms. It's an addiction and
>> obsession! Poor, old fart just can't stop. : D
>
> "new"? This one is already a year or more old, so get with the
> program, will you!? :-)

At a certain point, they all tend to just blend together. ; )

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Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 06.11.22 um 15:09 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> Arlen just can't stop creating new nyms. It's an addiction and
> >> obsession! Poor, old fart just can't stop. : D
> >
> > "new"? This one is already a year or more old, so get with the
> > program, will you!? :-)
>
> As so often you do not understand what is really going on in the Android
> and iPhone groups.

<barf>

You're *SO* funny!

On 2022-11-06, wolfgang kern <nowhere@nospicedham.never.at> wrote:
> On 06.11.2022 03:30, Alan wrote:
>
>> Apple's updates are far more long-lasting that Android's typical updates.
>
> Bullshit.

Yet another new nym from Arlen desperately trying to play himself off as
a new person joining the thread. ; )

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On 2022-11-06, wolfgang kern <nowhere@nospicedham.never.at> wrote:
>
> You speak a lot but you don't say anything.

Irony is dead.

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On 06.11.2022 17:33, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2022-11-06, wolfgang kern <nowhere@nospicedham.never.at> wrote:
>>
>> You speak a lot but you don't say anything.
>
> Irony is dead.

The only iOS that is fully patched is iOS 16.
https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/web

How far back can iOS devices support iOS 16 today?

On 06.11.2022 17:32, Jolly Roger wrote:
> desperately trying to play

Changing the subject won't change Android security update support exceeded
that of iOS long ago which is easily shown by Apple's own recent admission.

Apple clarifies security update policy:
New document confirms what security researchers have known for years.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

You don't even know how iOS is upgraded/updated, let alone how Android is.

The only iOS that is fully patched is iOS 16.
https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/web

On 2022-11-06, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 06.11.22 um 15:09 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Arlen just can't stop creating new nyms. It's an addiction and
>>> obsession! Poor, old fart just can't stop. : D
>>
>> "new"? This one is already a year or more old, so get with the
>> program, will you!? :-)
>
> As so often you do not understand what is really going on in the
> Android and iPhone groups.

....yet what he said is actually correct. Arlen did create this
particular nym quite a long time ago.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-11-06, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> > Am 06.11.22 um 15:09 schrieb Frank Slootweg:
> >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>> Arlen just can't stop creating new nyms. It's an addiction and
> >>> obsession! Poor, old fart just can't stop. : D
> >>
> >> "new"? This one is already a year or more old, so get with the
> >> program, will you!? :-)
> >
> > As so often you do not understand what is really going on in the
> > Android and iPhone groups.
>
> ...yet what he said is actually correct. Arlen did create this
> particular nym quite a long time ago.

Please don't confuse Joerg with facts, reality and similar sillyness!

Contentless is fine, everything else is off limits.

On 11/5/2022 11:40 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> My 83 year-old stepfather wanted the Samsung folding phone so much he gave
> up the Apple 6+ which he had since it was new. I had to try and teach him
> how to use it and found it frustrating myself, mostly because I’m used to
> iOS and found Android to be unintuitive, but that’s just my experience.
>
> The phone folded in half, but it was also way too thick and bulky when put
> in a pocket. Personally I would not want it.

I think that the idea is that the folded phone is less vulnerable to the
screen breaking if dropped. But the high cost of these folders makes
them a niche item.

Personally, for a work device I'd prefer the Microsoft Duo 5G, which is
just as expensive as the Samsung folder. If Apple comes out with a
folding iPhone I hope they include Apple Pencil capability. Apple needs
to be cautious about not affecting iPad sales if they come out with an
iPhone that has a screen as big as an iPad Mini.

In article <tkb8mk$3k4th$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Apple needs
> to be cautious about not affecting iPad sales if they come out with an
> iPhone that has a screen as big as an iPad Mini.

no they don't. apple doesn't compete against itself. apple is happy if
someone buys either one (or even better, both).

On 11/5/2022 10:41 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-11-05 21:47, wolfgang kern wrote:
>> On 06.11.2022 03:30, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> Apple's updates are far more long-lasting that Android's typical
>>> updates.
>>
>> Bullshit. That hasn't been the case for years. Get with the times.
>>
>> Apple iOS has only the one big update of everything in each release.
>> Android breaks the system into smaller pieces each updated separately.
>
> Arlen.
>
> Have the balls to post under your own name, huh?

Agreed. And maybe you can give the same advice to a long list of the
other trolls posting here like nospam, Jolly Roger, Your Name, etc..
Since most of us have filtered them out it's not a huge issue, but they
might be more likely to stop trolling if they used their own name.

nospam wrote:

>> Apple needs
>> to be cautious about not affecting iPad sales if they come out with an
>> iPhone that has a screen as big as an iPad Mini.
>
> no they don't. apple doesn't compete against itself. apple is happy if
> someone buys either one (or even better, both).

Assuming nospam & Steve want to carry on a meaningful conversation where
each adds value to the group intelligence as a whole...

There are indications that Apple is doing rather well in both PC and tablet
sales which would indicate that Apple is appealing to its target base.

*Apple tops tablet and PC sales worldwide in Q1 2022*
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/05/04/apple-tops-tablet-and-pc-sales-worldwide-in-q1-2022>

New research claims that Apple's Mac range was the best-selling computer in
the first quarter of 2022, and the while iPad sales declined, it still led
the market.

Shortly after reporting that the iPhone was the sole smartphone to see
increased sales in Q1 2022, research firm Canalys says Apple is also
leading the market in computers and tablets.

"In the total PC market (including desktops, notebooks and tablets)," the
company reported in an email to AppleInsider. "Apple took first place from
Lenovo as it shipped 22.3 million units in Q1 2022, up 1% annually."

"Second-placed Lenovo saw a year-on-year decline of 12%, shipping 21.1
million devices worldwide," it continued. "HP's shipment of 15.9 million
units placed it third as it also underwent a significant decline of 18%."

Canalys says that these figures come as the overall global PC market,
including tablets, fell 3% year over year. The company claims that consumer
and education demand contributed to this, with Chromebooks dropping 60% to
4.9 million units.

Over the same period, the overall tablet market slipped 3% to 38.6 million
devices.

"Apple, in first place, saw a 2% fall in shipments in Q1 as it shipped 14.9
million iPads worldwide," says Canalys. "Second-placed Samsung also posted
a 2% decline for a total of 7.9 million tablets shipped."
"For the first time in over a year," continued the company, "Amazon
surpassed Lenovo to take third place with a growth of 3% on the back of
heavy discounting of its Fire tablets."

Canalys agrees with Apple that iPad sales were down in part because of
supply constraints. It says that demand from Q4 2021 had been expected to
extend into Q1 2022, but the current supply situation is likely to remain
into Q2.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to supply reliable information for Apple sales.

sms wrote:

>> Have the balls to post under your own name, huh?
>
> Agreed. And maybe you can give the same advice to a long list of the
> other trolls posting here like nospam, Jolly Roger, Your Name, etc..
> Since most of us have filtered them out it's not a huge issue, but they
> might be more likely to stop trolling if they used their own name.

Most of that "long list of the other trolls" is likely the same person.
Nonetheless...

For a long time, only Snit, Alan Baker and RodSpeed were in my killfile,
which, admittedly, is a PITA to administer since I don't use a newsreader.

After decades of posting to Usenet, I have only had to edit my killfile a
handful of times (e.g., to add the "Hank" nym which I think is Steve).

However, recently, due to "philo" and "ken blake" and "rweiser" nym trolls,
I've been forced to revisit my (admiteddly kludgey) killfile process.

Hence, if anyone here wants to be included in _my_ killfile, just say so.

That way none of you have to "suffer" technical acumen such as this:
*What steps do you perform on your phone expressly for privacy purposes?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Wbgaq5x5Zb8>

Where you can continue to "enjoy" everything of 'value Alan Baker posts.

Everyone wins, right?
a. None of you trolls have to suffer any technical discussions, and,
b. The rest of us don't have to see me refute your insufferable drivel
Works both ways.
A. You'll remain clueless morons who are on Usenet for your amusement
B. While the adults can be edified with astute technical content

Just let me know whom to put in _my_ killfile and we'll all be happier.
--
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which is to invite worthless trolls to have me add them to my killfile.

In article <tkba2t$3k8of$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> but they
> might be more likely to stop trolling if they used their own name.

it hasn't stopped you, and that's yet another one of your ad hominem
attacks.

nospam wrote:

>> but they
>> might be more likely to stop trolling if they used their own name.
>
> it hasn't stopped you, and that's yet another one of your ad hominem
> attacks.

Hi nospam,

I study those in this newsgroup who are worthy of my attention to detail.

You and Steve are quite different from the uneducated unintelligent iKooks.
a. You defend Apple to the death, no matter what,
b. While Steve presents a far more balanced view of Apple
(Yet, in terms of Verizon, Steve does what you do with Apple.)

Yet, unlike the rest of the iKooks, there actually is sometimes productive
merit in your conversations, as there is with Steve's technical content.

Both of you, in different ways, add technical value to these discussions.

However, for you to accuse sms of "ad hominem attacks" reeks of duplicity.
Almost every accusation you make of others, is a projection of yourself.

If you stuck with technical content, you wouldn't be an iKook after all.
It's not your fault.

Due to your enslavement to the Apple deity, you desperately feel the need
to accuse everyone not enslaved of all the duplicity you own on your own.

aka... *Projection*
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to point out the duplicity in nospam's accusation.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 08:00:28 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 11/5/2022 10:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-11-05 21:47, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>> On 06.11.2022 03:30, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apple's updates are far more long-lasting that Android's typical
>>>> updates.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. That hasn't been the case for years. Get with the times.
>>>
>>> Apple iOS has only the one big update of everything in each release.
>>> Android breaks the system into smaller pieces each updated separately.
>>
>> Arlen.
>>
>> Have the balls to post under your own name, huh?
>
>Agreed. And maybe you can give the same advice to a long list of the
>other trolls posting here like nospam, Jolly Roger, Your Name, etc..
>Since most of us have filtered them out it's not a huge issue, but they
>might be more likely to stop trolling if they used their own name.

The most important and most effective thing to do to stop trolling is
killfiling the trolls. If everyone killfiled a troll, nobody would
reply to him, and he would soon get bored and go away.

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:54:10 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 08:00:28 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/5/2022 10:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-05 21:47, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>>> On 06.11.2022 03:30, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apple's updates are far more long-lasting that Android's typical
>>>>> updates.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. That hasn't been the case for years. Get with the times.
>>>>
>>>> Apple iOS has only the one big update of everything in each release.
>>>> Android breaks the system into smaller pieces each updated separately.
>>>
>>> Arlen.
>>>
>>> Have the balls to post under your own name, huh?
>>
>> Agreed. And maybe you can give the same advice to a long list of the
>> other trolls posting here like nospam, Jolly Roger, Your Name, etc..
>> Since most of us have filtered them out it's not a huge issue, but they
>> might be more likely to stop trolling if they used their own name.

> The most important and most effective thing to do to stop trolling is
> killfiling the trolls.

That doesn't stop real trolls.

> If everyone killfiled a troll,

Not going to happen.

> nobody would reply to him,and he would soon get bored and go away.

Doesnt happen. Look at Peeler. That pathetic wretch responds to
every single post of some he has it in for, hardly anyone is ever silly
enough to reply to any of his posts and most do have him killfiled
but he has been doing that continuously for almost a DECADE now.

On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:30:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:54:10 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

>> The most important and most effective thing to do to stop trolling is
>> killfiling the trolls.
>
>That doesn't stop real trolls.

I don't agree.

>> If everyone killfiled a troll,
>
>Not going to happen.

Alas, you're right. But I still would like as many people as possible
do it.

>> nobody would reply to him,and he would soon get bored and go away.
>
>Doesnt happen. Look at Peeler. That pathetic wretch responds to
>every single post of some he has it in for, hardly anyone is ever silly
>enough to reply to any of his posts and most do have him killfiled
>but he has been doing that continuously for almost a DECADE now.

Maybe so. I wouldn't know., since he's long been killfiled here.

But if that's what he does, as far as I'm concerned, he's an
exception. What I said applies to most trolls. They enjoy arguing. If
they don't get arguments they get bored.

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote

> On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:30:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:54:10 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> The most important and most effective thing to do to stop trolling is
>>> killfiling the trolls.
>>
>> That doesn't stop real trolls.

> I don't agree.

I gave you an example of one that it hasnt and that pathetic wretch isnt
the only example.

>>> If everyone killfiled a troll,
>>
>> Not going to happen.
>
>
> Alas, you're right. But I still would like as many people as possible
> do it.

But it won't work unless everyone does and not even then.

>>> nobody would reply to him,and he would soon get bored and go away.

>> Doesnt happen. Look at Peeler. That pathetic wretch responds to
>> every single post of some he has it in for, hardly anyone is ever silly
>> enough to reply to any of his posts and most do have him killfiled
>> but he has been doing that continuously for almost a DECADE now.

> Maybe so. I wouldn't know., since he's long been killfiled here.

But it is clear that that is what that pathetic wretch does.

> But if that's what he does, as far as I'm concerned, he's an
> exception. What I said applies to most trolls. They enjoy arguing. If
> they don't get arguments they get bored.

Never seen one do that.

On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 09:36:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>
>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 14:30:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:54:10 +1100, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> The most important and most effective thing to do to stop trolling is
>>>> killfiling the trolls.
>>>
>>> That doesn't stop real trolls.
>
>> I don't agree.
>
>I gave you an example of one that it hasnt and that pathetic wretch isnt
>the only example.
>
>>>> If everyone killfiled a troll,
>>>
>>> Not going to happen.
>>
>>
>> Alas, you're right. But I still would like as many people as possible
>> do it.
>
>But it won't work unless everyone does and not even then.
>
>>>> nobody would reply to him,and he would soon get bored and go away.
>
>>> Doesnt happen. Look at Peeler. That pathetic wretch responds to
>>> every single post of some he has it in for, hardly anyone is ever silly
>>> enough to reply to any of his posts and most do have him killfiled
>>> but he has been doing that continuously for almost a DECADE now.
>
>> Maybe so. I wouldn't know., since he's long been killfiled here.
>
>But it is clear that that is what that pathetic wretch does.
>
>> But if that's what he does, as far as I'm concerned, he's an
>> exception. What I said applies to most trolls. They enjoy arguing. If
>> they don't get arguments they get bored.
>
>Never seen one do that.

OK. I understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I
don't want to argue about it, so I'll end this thread here.

On 11/8/2022 5:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

>>> But if that's what he does, as far as I'm concerned, he's an
>>> exception. What I said applies to most trolls. They enjoy arguing. If
>>> they don't get arguments they get bored.
>>
>>Never seen one do that.
>
> OK. I understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I
> don't want to argue about it, so I'll end this thread here.

You do realize Ken Blake is a troll, don't you?
He's been trolling many other newsgroups for years so now he's come here.
Plonk him.

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 21:08:05 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 11/8/2022 5:15 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>>>> But if that's what he does, as far as I'm concerned, he's an
>>>> exception. What I said applies to most trolls. They enjoy arguing. If
>>>> they don't get arguments they get bored.
>>>
>>>Never seen one do that.
>>
>> OK. I understand your point of view, but I don't agree with it. I
>> don't want to argue about it, so I'll end this thread here.
>
>You do realize Ken Blake is a troll, don't you?
>He's been trolling many other newsgroups for years so now he's come here.
>Plonk him.

You think I'm a troll and are telling me to plonk myself?

Feel free to believe whatever you want and feel free to plonk me. I
don't care what you think and I don't care whether you plonk me.