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* Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)Adam H. Kerman
`* Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)Russ Allbery
 `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)Adam H. Kerman
  +- Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)Russ Allbery
  `- Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)Thomas Hochstein

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Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
From: Adam H. Kerman
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:10 UTC
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From: ahk...@chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:10:18 -0000 (UTC)
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Newsgroup Changes Report <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

Over the past week, the following changes have been made to the list of
Usenet newsgroups maintained at ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/
This list is maintained via automatic processing of control messages as
explained by the files in that directory.  For more information, see the
end of this message. . . .

I didn't know this report was posted regularly.

Even in free.* and alt.*, newgroup messages are sent rarely and they
almost never include the For your newsgroups file line. There is no
reason to exclude them unless they exceed some threshold you could set.
I wouldn't bother using the fact of those newgroup messages to trigger
the processing and posting of this report, but include them since the
last one of these was generated for posting to Usenet.

I seriously question why automatically generated lists should ever be
crossposted out of news.admin.lists. Other newsgroups should be used for
discussion, not the lists themselves. I've always objected to
automatically generating postings as an attempt to show there is
activity in an extremely low volume group, with the exception of *.lists
and *.faq groups intended for lists, only. Since most of the cron jobs
posting automated lists to Usenet have died, I for one haven't missed
them.


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
From: Russ Allbery
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: The Eyrie
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 18:11 UTC
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From: eag...@eyrie.org (Russ Allbery)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:11:03 -0800
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

I didn't know this report was posted regularly.

Given that it's been posted if warranted every week since, I believe, 2004
(at least that's when I wrote the original posting template), that's
mildly amusing, although understandable given that the traffic of group
changes has dropped off a lot.

Even in free.* and alt.*, newgroup messages are sent rarely and they
almost never include the For your newsgroups file line. There is no
reason to exclude them unless they exceed some threshold you could set.

Nonetheless, I'm the one generating the report, and I don't want to
include them.  Including unmanaged hierarchies is an open invitation to
someone playing silly games with the automated report, and I don't want to
have to deal with it.  As mentioned in the report, anyone else is free to
generate their own report from the source data if they want.

I seriously question why automatically generated lists should ever be
crossposted out of news.admin.lists.  Other newsgroups should be used
for discussion, not the lists themselves.

The report is posted only to news.admin.lists.  Followups are set to
news.admin.hierarchies because news.admin.lists is not a discussion group.
So the whole thing appears to work exactly the way that you want it to
work, and I'm not sure why you're upset.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org)             https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
From: Adam H. Kerman
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 19:19 UTC
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From: ahk...@chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 19:19:39 -0000 (UTC)
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Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

I didn't know this report was posted regularly.

Given that it's been posted if warranted every week since, I believe, 2004
(at least that's when I wrote the original posting template), that's
mildly amusing, although understandable given that the traffic of group
changes has dropped off a lot.

I haven't seen one of these in months. I'd always assumed that a change
from a hierarchy administrator triggered generation of the report and
that it's not posted in weeks without change.

Even in free.* and alt.*, newgroup messages are sent rarely and they
almost never include the For your newsgroups file line. There is no
reason to exclude them unless they exceed some threshold you could set.

Nonetheless, I'm the one generating the report, and I don't want to
include them.  Including unmanaged hierarchies is an open invitation to
someone playing silly games with the automated report, and I don't want to
have to deal with it.  As mentioned in the report, anyone else is free to
generate their own report from the source data if they want.

Very well.

I seriously question why automatically generated lists should ever be
crossposted out of news.admin.lists.  Other newsgroups should be used
for discussion, not the lists themselves.

The report is posted only to news.admin.lists.  Followups are set to
news.admin.hierarchies because news.admin.lists is not a discussion group.
So the whole thing appears to work exactly the way that you want it to
work, and I'm not sure why you're upset.

I apologize.

For whatever reason, I thought I was reading it in news.admin.hierarchies,
but now that I look again, no the list was not crossposted.

Withdrawn


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
From: Russ Allbery
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: The Eyrie
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 19:21 UTC
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From: eag...@eyrie.org (Russ Allbery)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 11:21:30 -0800
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

I haven't seen one of these in months. I'd always assumed that a change
from a hierarchy administrator triggered generation of the report and
that it's not posted in weeks without change.

Well, that part is indeed true.  It's not posted unless there are changes,
so it's gotten increasingly rare over time.  It was posted nearly weekly
back in the day.

--
Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org)             https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
From: Thomas Hochstein
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:10 UTC
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From: thh...@thh.name (Thomas Hochstein)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2020-12-20 to 2020-12-27)
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Adam H. Kerman schrieb:

I haven't seen one of these in months. I'd always assumed that a change
from a hierarchy administrator triggered generation of the report and
that it's not posted in weeks without change.

That's true. There just aren't that many hierarchy administrators
left, and where there are ones, the hierarchies don't change much.


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