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* AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)Stephen Cole
+* Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)Phil Taylor
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Subject: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
From: Stephen Cole
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I wrote a piece about the range of Apple mice I have used and enjoyed over
the years:

https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-one-that-i-detest/

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur


Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
From: Phil Taylor
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In article <h2d1upFsgnvU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac
Plus using a D9 plug.  It was the first mouse most people had seen at
the time.  It think you're a bit hard on its successor, the ADB mouse.
It was small and neat compared to its predecessor, and I found it
fitted my hand nicely.

Phil Taylor


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In article <051120191205310493%nothere@all.invalid>, Phil Taylor
<nothere@all.invalid> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-an
d-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac
Plus using a D9 plug.  It was the first mouse most people had seen at
the time.  It think you're a bit hard on its successor, the ADB mouse.
It was small and neat compared to its predecessor, and I found it
fitted my hand nicely.


not only did he ignore the original mac mouse, but he also didn't
mention the several variants of the adb mouse (not just shape), that
the zero-button design falses a lot and how often the trackpea on the
apple mouse (can't call it mighty mouse) gets jammed and that it's next
to impossible to clean.

he also ignored the magic trackpads, and that an apple-provided mouse
is not even required. there were multi-button adb mice and trackballs,
and of course, countless usb ones.


Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
From: D Finnigan
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Phil Taylor wrote:
In article <h2d1upFsgnvU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac

It's his list of mice that he's known and loved, so perhaps he did not love
the original Mac mouse, which is hardly surprising, as it's a chunky huge
soapbar brick.

-DF

--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/



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nospam wrote:
In article <051120191205310493%nothere@all.invalid>, Phil Taylor
<nothere@all.invalid> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-an
d-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac
Plus using a D9 plug.  It was the first mouse most people had seen at
the time.  It think you're a bit hard on its successor, the ADB mouse.
It was small and neat compared to its predecessor, and I found it
fitted my hand nicely.


not only did he ignore the original mac mouse,

not only did you ignore the title of his thread which includes keywords "I
have known" and "loved"





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In article <dog_cow-1572978288@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:

https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-a
nd-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac

It's his list of mice that he's known and loved, so perhaps he did not love
the original Mac mouse, which is hardly surprising, as it's a chunky huge
soapbar brick.

nowhere near as much as the first mouse:
https://cdn.britannica.com/s:700x450/44/27144-004-822DD3F9/computer-mou
se-Douglas-Engelbart-way-experiment-part.jpg>

https://images.computerhistory.org/revonline/images/500004646-03-01.jpg?
w=600>


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In article <dog_cow-1572978485@macgui.com>, D Finnigan
<dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-
an
d-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac
Plus using a D9 plug.  It was the first mouse most people had seen at
the time.  It think you're a bit hard on its successor, the ADB mouse.
It was small and neat compared to its predecessor, and I found it
fitted my hand nicely.


not only did he ignore the original mac mouse,

not only did you ignore the title of his thread which includes keywords "I
have known" and "loved"

it's incomplete and inaccurate.


Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
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In comp.sys.mac.vintage, Stephen Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
I wrote a piece about the range of Apple mice I have used and enjoyed over
the years:

https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-one-that-i-detest/

I can't say I've ever loved any of the Apple mice. Some were more
tolerable than others. Last time I was using a Mac regularly (2017) I
bought a USB-C adapater to use a compact USB mouse with retractable
cord, rather like this one:

https://www.newegg.com/p/0TP-005Z-00072

It has the reliablity of corded without the excess wire of most mice
(and without the bulking cord reel on most retractable cord options).

How about a Apple keyboards article? The Apple Extended Keyboard II,
mentioned next to the second ADB mouse, has my vote for best Apple
keyboard, and it is a keyboard I certainly loved and used for years.

Elijah
------
is not a fan of current Apple human input devices


Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
From: Stephen Cole
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Phil Taylor <nothere@all.invalid> wrote:
In article <h2d1upFsgnvU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.

I only had a Mac Plus for a brief time before I resold it, so haven’t
really had the experience with that mouse to include it.

It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac
Plus using a D9 plug.  It was the first mouse most people had seen at
the time.  It think you're a bit hard on its successor, the ADB mouse.
It was small and neat compared to its predecessor, and I found it
fitted my hand nicely.

The ADB mouse isn’t a bad mouse but I had spent a lot of time using the
Mouse II before I first got gold of the earlier one, so I think that’s why
I never really fell in love with it. The II is just a much better mouse,
IMO.

--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur


Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <051120191205310493%nothere@all.invalid>, Phil Taylor
<nothere@all.invalid> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-an
d-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac
Plus using a D9 plug.  It was the first mouse most people had seen at
the time.  It think you're a bit hard on its successor, the ADB mouse.
It was small and neat compared to its predecessor, and I found it
fitted my hand nicely.


not only did he ignore the original mac mouse, but he also didn't
mention the several variants of the adb mouse (not just shape), that
the zero-button design falses a lot and how often the trackpea on the
apple mouse (can't call it mighty mouse) gets jammed and that it's next
to impossible to clean.

he also ignored the magic trackpads, and that an apple-provided mouse
is not even required. there were multi-button adb mice and trackballs,
and of course, countless usb ones.

The clue is in the title. HTH.

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Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
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Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
In comp.sys.mac.vintage, Stephen Cole <usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
I wrote a piece about the range of Apple mice I have used and enjoyed over
the years:

https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-one-that-i-detest/

I can't say I've ever loved any of the Apple mice. Some were more
tolerable than others. Last time I was using a Mac regularly (2017) I
bought a USB-C adapater to use a compact USB mouse with retractable
cord, rather like this one:

https://www.newegg.com/p/0TP-005Z-00072

It has the reliablity of corded without the excess wire of most mice
(and without the bulking cord reel on most retractable cord options).


I’ve used a couple of 3rd-Party ADB mice (including a MacAlly 2-button
Mouse. Sacrilege!) and it just doesn’t feel proper.

How about a Apple keyboards article? The Apple Extended Keyboard II,
mentioned next to the second ADB mouse, has my vote for best Apple
keyboard, and it is a keyboard I certainly loved and used for years.


A keyboards version of this article is on my agenda, but was derailed
yesterday evening when I couldn’t find my Extended II... It’s not in my
man-cave downstairs and it’s not at my office! :-|

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Subject: Re: AMihkal: Apple Mice I Have Known and Loved (And One That I Detest)
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D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> wrote:
Phil Taylor wrote:
In article <h2d1upFsgnvU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:


https://www.vintageapplemac.com/amihkal-apple-mice-i-have-known-and-loved-and-
one-that-i-detest/

You missed out the original Apple mouse, which came with first Macs.
It was a big rectangular block, with a ball and connected to the Mac

It's his list of mice that he's known and loved,

Bingo!

so perhaps he did not love
the original Mac mouse, which is hardly surprising, as it's a chunky huge
soapbar brick.

I’ve only used the original mouse very briefly, and it wasn’t particularly
fun, iirc. But I’ve not enough experience with one to include it positively
or negatively in this list.

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In article <h2ghe5FkhbuU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
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The ADB mouse isn¹t a bad mouse

there are *several* adb mice, sometimes difficult to tell the
difference.


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