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Subject: What are considered vintage these days?
From: Ant
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Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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On 2019-11-13 06:40:39 +0000, Ant said:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

Depends on who you ask and how you define the word.

According to EveryMac.com, "Vintage" is for models released between 1984 to 1998.
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/index-apple-specs-applespec.html#apple_mac_specs_vintage According to Apple, "vintage" is defined as ...

    "products are those that have not been manufactured
     for more than 5 and less than 7 years ago."

Older than that they become termed "obsolete".
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624




Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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In article <--ednRKaGq_6OFbAnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624


Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <--ednRKaGq_6OFbAnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/
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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
From: Stephen Cole
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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?


Different people will have different definitions of “vintage”. For me, it’s
vintage if it can’t comfortably run current (or near-current) versions of
essential software, which I think applies to PowerBooks and original
MacBooks. Those machines can certainly still serve as useful daily
computers, though, as long as era-specific software is used and certain
compromises are accepted.

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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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In article <h34mc1Fr83mU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:

Different people will have different definitions of ³vintage².

the only definition that matters is apple's.


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On 11/14/19 7:32 AM, nospam wrote:

the only definition that matters is apple's.


(removed uk.comp.vintage)



CHARTER:

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On 2019-11-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <--ednRKaGq_6OFbAnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/

It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
top of a desk or table while being used. :/

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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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On 2019-11-14, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <h34mc1Fr83mU1@mid.individual.net>, Stephen Cole
<usenet@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:

Different people will have different definitions of ³vintage².

the only definition that matters is apple's.

Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.


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In article <h35ho5F2bo8U1@mid.individual.net>, Huge
<Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

Different people will have different definitions of 3vintage2.

the only definition that matters is apple's.

Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.

nope. apple makes and supports the products, so they get to decide when
it's vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

same for any other product manufacturer.


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On 2019-11-14, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <h35ho5F2bo8U1@mid.individual.net>, Huge
<Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

Different people will have different definitions of 3vintage2.

the only definition that matters is apple's.

Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.

nope. apple makes and supports the products, so they get to decide when
it's vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

Oh, I see. You're making your own definitions for words up as you
go along. "Obsolete", sure. But "vintage"? Nope.

*plonk*

(In fact, I'm not sure why you aren't in the "ostentatiously
anonymous twats" section of my killfile already.)


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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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In article <h35noqF3ht1U1@mid.individual.net>, Huge
<Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

Different people will have different definitions of 3vintage2.

the only definition that matters is apple's.

Umm, no. The only definition that matters is the market's.

nope. apple makes and supports the products, so they get to decide when
it's vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

Oh, I see. You're making your own definitions for words up as you
go along. "Obsolete", sure. But "vintage"? Nope.

i'm not the one making up definitions. that would be *you*.

apple is the *only* entity who decides whether *their* products are
currently supported, vintage or obsolete. nobody else.

the same applies to every other manufacturer for their own product
lines.

simple concept, really.


Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
From: Stephen Harker
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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

On 2019-11-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <--ednRKaGq_6OFbAnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/

It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
top of a desk or table while being used. :/

That is why they are desktops.  However, they are not Macs.

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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
From: Jolly Roger
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From: jollyro...@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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On 2019-11-15, Stephen Harker <sjharker@netspace.net.au> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes:

On 2019-11-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <--ednRKaGq_6OFbAnZ2dnUU7-N3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops? :/

It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
top of a desk or table while being used. :/

That is why they are desktops.  However, they are not Macs.

While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now obsolete.

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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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In article <h37ul5FhntcU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops?
:/

It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
top of a desk or table while being used. :/

That is why they are desktops.  However, they are not Macs.

While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now obsolete.

it's not worth having an entirely separate section for only 3 models.


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On 2019-11-15, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <h37ul5FhntcU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac
desktops?  :/

It might have something to do with the fact that they typically
sit on top of a desk or table while being used. :/

That is why they are desktops.  However, they are not Macs.

While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now
obsolete.

it's not worth having an entirely separate section for only 3 models.

You'd think this would be obvious. Then again, it's "Ant" who is
complaining. So perhaps not. :/

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Subject: Re: What are considered vintage these days?
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

In article <h37ul5FhntcU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

Are PowerBooks and original MacBooks (Air too) considered vintage now?

nope. they're considered obsolete, especially the powerbooks.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624

Interesting. Why does Apple consider Apple computers 1-3 as Mac desktops?
:/

It might have something to do with the fact that they typically sit on
top of a desk or table while being used. :/

That is why they are desktops.  However, they are not Macs.

While that's a good point, the obvious answer is that Apple doesn't
actually consider them to be Macs, and that they show up in that list
on that page simply because they are Apple computers that are now obsolete.

it's not worth having an entirely separate section for only 3 models.

While the likely answer, there are actually at least Apple I, Apple ][,
Apple ][+, Apple //e, Apple //c, Apple //GS, Apple III and Apple
IIIPlus.  Those are the models I recall from the time and may not be
complete. 

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