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* What does the "D" mean?Fritz Wuehler
`* Re: What does the "D" mean?Stefan Claas
 `* Re: What does the "D" mean?Fritz Wuehler
  `- Re: What does the "D" mean?SEC3

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What does the "D" mean?

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Subject: What does the "D" mean?
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:11:57 +0200
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 by: Fritz Wuehler - Mon, 26 Sep 2022 04:11 UTC

https://www.mixmin.net/yamn/mlist2.txt

Stats-Version: 2.0
Generated: Sun 25 Sep 2022 23:05:00 GMT
Mixmaster Latent-Hist Latent Uptime-Hist Uptime Options
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-------
yamn ???111001101 :23 ???+++++++++ 100.0%
yamn2 111110010110 :25 ++++++++++++ 100.0%
yamn3 ????01100110 :20 ????+++++++9 99.9%
yamn4 323323232222 1:40 +++++++++++9 99.9% D
victor ??????322322 1:37 ??????+++++9 99.6% D
fragged 222223233233 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.5% D
paranoyamn 233234243223 2:06 +++++++++++9 99.4%
middleman 232334232322 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.3% D
frell 433452222254 2:09 +++++++++++8 99.2%
tncmm 111111311132 :43 +++++87+8676 78.6% D

Broken type-I remailer chains:

Broken type-II remailer chains:
(frell tncmm)

Remailer-Capabilities:

$remailer{"fragged"} = "<yamn@fragged.tearable.org> middle v2";
$remailer{"frell"} = "<nyam@remailer.frell.eu.org> v2";
$remailer{"middleman"} = "<yamn@middleman.remailer.online>
middle v2";
$remailer{"paranoyamn"} = "<yamn@yamn.paranoici.org> v2";
$remailer{"tncmm"} = "<yamn@tnetconsulting.net> middle v2";
$remailer{"victor"} = "<yamn@virebent.art> middle v2";
$remailer{"yamn"} = "<yamn@mixmin.net> v2";
$remailer{"yamn2"} = "<yamn2@mixmin.net> v2";
$remailer{"yamn3"} = "<yamn3@mixmin.net> v2";
$remailer{"yamn4"} = "<yamn4@mixmin.net> middle v2";

Re: What does the "D" mean?

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Subject: Re: What does the "D" mean?
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 by: Stefan Claas - Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:58 UTC

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:15:59 AM UTC+2, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> https://www.mixmin.net/yamn/mlist2.txt
>
> Stats-Version: 2.0
> Generated: Sun 25 Sep 2022 23:05:00 GMT
> Mixmaster Latent-Hist Latent Uptime-Hist Uptime Options
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> yamn ???111001101 :23 ???+++++++++ 100.0%
> yamn2 111110010110 :25 ++++++++++++ 100.0%
> yamn3 ????01100110 :20 ????+++++++9 99.9%
> yamn4 323323232222 1:40 +++++++++++9 99.9% D
> victor ??????322322 1:37 ??????+++++9 99.6% D
> fragged 222223233233 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.5% D
> paranoyamn 233234243223 2:06 +++++++++++9 99.4%
> middleman 232334232322 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.3% D
> frell 433452222254 2:09 +++++++++++8 99.2%
> tncmm 111111311132 :43 +++++87+8676 78.6% D
>
> Broken type-I remailer chains:
>
>
> Broken type-II remailer chains:
> (frell tncmm)
>
>
>
> Remailer-Capabilities:
>
> $remailer{"fragged"} = "<ya...@fragged.tearable.org> middle v2";
> $remailer{"frell"} = "<ny...@remailer.frell.eu.org> v2";
> $remailer{"middleman"} = "<ya...@middleman.remailer.online>
> middle v2";
> $remailer{"paranoyamn"} = "<ya...@yamn.paranoici.org> v2";
> $remailer{"tncmm"} = "<ya...@tnetconsulting.net> middle v2";
> $remailer{"victor"} = "<ya...@virebent.art> middle v2";
> $remailer{"yamn"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
> $remailer{"yamn2"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
> $remailer{"yamn3"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
> $remailer{"yamn4"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> middle v2";

That those YAMN Remailers are Middleman Remailers and no Exit Remailers.

Regards
Stefan

Re: What does the "D" mean?

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Subject: Re: What does the "D" mean?
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:31:08 +0200
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 by: Fritz Wuehler - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:31 UTC

In article <ead1f8ca-26e8-4de2-9076-
fae80886857dn@googlegroups.com>
Stefan Claas <sacenator@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:15:59 AM UTC+2, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> > https://www.mixmin.net/yamn/mlist2.txt
> >
> > Stats-Version: 2.0
> > Generated: Sun 25 Sep 2022 23:05:00 GMT
> > Mixmaster Latent-Hist Latent Uptime-Hist Uptime Options
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------
> > yamn ???111001101 :23 ???+++++++++ 100.0%
> > yamn2 111110010110 :25 ++++++++++++ 100.0%
> > yamn3 ????01100110 :20 ????+++++++9 99.9%
> > yamn4 323323232222 1:40 +++++++++++9 99.9% D
> > victor ??????322322 1:37 ??????+++++9 99.6% D
> > fragged 222223233233 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.5% D
> > paranoyamn 233234243223 2:06 +++++++++++9 99.4%
> > middleman 232334232322 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.3% D
> > frell 433452222254 2:09 +++++++++++8 99.2%
> > tncmm 111111311132 :43 +++++87+8676 78.6% D
> >
> > Broken type-I remailer chains:
> >
> >
> > Broken type-II remailer chains:
> > (frell tncmm)
> >
> >
> >
> > Remailer-Capabilities:
> >
> > $remailer{"fragged"} = "<ya...@fragged.tearable.org> middle v2";
> > $remailer{"frell"} = "<ny...@remailer.frell.eu.org> v2";
> > $remailer{"middleman"} = "<ya...@middleman.remailer.online>
> > middle v2";
> > $remailer{"paranoyamn"} = "<ya...@yamn.paranoici.org> v2";
> > $remailer{"tncmm"} = "<ya...@tnetconsulting.net> middle v2";
> > $remailer{"victor"} = "<ya...@virebent.art> middle v2";
> > $remailer{"yamn"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
> > $remailer{"yamn2"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
> > $remailer{"yamn3"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
> > $remailer{"yamn4"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> middle v2";
>
> That those YAMN Remailers are Middleman Remailers and no Exit Remailers.
>
> Regards
> Stefan

Thank you. That answers my question but I'm still not sure what
that means. Does that mean only the ones without D can send
posts?

Re: What does the "D" mean?

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On 2022-09-28 09:31, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> In article <ead1f8ca-26e8-4de2-9076-
> fae80886857dn@googlegroups.com>
> Stefan Claas <sacenator@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 6:15:59 AM UTC+2, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>>> https://www.mixmin.net/yamn/mlist2.txt
>>>
>>> Stats-Version: 2.0
>>> Generated: Sun 25 Sep 2022 23:05:00 GMT
>>> Mixmaster Latent-Hist Latent Uptime-Hist Uptime Options
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -------
>>> yamn ???111001101 :23 ???+++++++++ 100.0%
>>> yamn2 111110010110 :25 ++++++++++++ 100.0%
>>> yamn3 ????01100110 :20 ????+++++++9 99.9%
>>> yamn4 323323232222 1:40 +++++++++++9 99.9% D
>>> victor ??????322322 1:37 ??????+++++9 99.6% D
>>> fragged 222223233233 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.5% D
>>> paranoyamn 233234243223 2:06 +++++++++++9 99.4%
>>> middleman 232334232322 1:55 +++++++++++9 99.3% D
>>> frell 433452222254 2:09 +++++++++++8 99.2%
>>> tncmm 111111311132 :43 +++++87+8676 78.6% D
>>>
>>> Broken type-I remailer chains:
>>>
>>>
>>> Broken type-II remailer chains:
>>> (frell tncmm)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Remailer-Capabilities:
>>>
>>> $remailer{"fragged"} = "<ya...@fragged.tearable.org> middle v2";
>>> $remailer{"frell"} = "<ny...@remailer.frell.eu.org> v2";
>>> $remailer{"middleman"} = "<ya...@middleman.remailer.online>
>>> middle v2";
>>> $remailer{"paranoyamn"} = "<ya...@yamn.paranoici.org> v2";
>>> $remailer{"tncmm"} = "<ya...@tnetconsulting.net> middle v2";
>>> $remailer{"victor"} = "<ya...@virebent.art> middle v2";
>>> $remailer{"yamn"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
>>> $remailer{"yamn2"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
>>> $remailer{"yamn3"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> v2";
>>> $remailer{"yamn4"} = "<ya...@mixmin.net> middle v2";
>>
>> That those YAMN Remailers are Middleman Remailers and no Exit Remailers.
>>
>> Regards
>> Stefan
>
> Thank you. That answers my question but I'm still not sure what
> that means. Does that mean only the ones without D can send
> posts?
>

If Bob wants to send an email through some remailers to Alice he may
well send it through this chain:

fragged(middle) > tncmm(middle) > frell(exit) > alice@gmail.com

Bob may instead send his email through this chain:

fragged(middle) > tncmm(middle) > yamn4(middle) > alice@gmail.com

But Bob should understand that yamn4, because it is middle, will not
deliver directly to alice@gmail.com. Like all middle remailers (D) yamn4
can only deliver to other remailers. It will send Bob's message to
another remailer with instructions to deliver to Alice.

fragged(middle) > tncmm(middle) > yamn4(middle) > paranoyamn(exit) >
alice@gmail.com

Remailer software is pretty good at sorting these things for you. You
can simply send through a chain of random remailers

bob@gmail.com > *,*,* > alice@gmail.com

and the software will automatically choose a reliable exit remailer as
the last remailer that delivers to Alice.

--
SEC3

YAMN Tutorials - https://sec3.net/yamnhelp

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