On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:01:26 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>> > > Okay, now I am disappointed. /NOBODY/ has made a custom PC case out of
>> > > the He-Man castle? It seems purpose built to be glued to the outside
>> > > of a PC chassis!
>> > > People of the Internet, you have failed me.

>> I used to have that castle as a callow during the rad 80s. I loved He-Man! ;)
>I had to ask: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_tech/comments/advyl9/castle_greyskull_gaming_pc/ :)

People of the Internet, you have been redeemed.
But a very specific Searcher Of The Internet must now hang their head
in shame!

(obediently hangs head)

See? This is what I want. A case made out of a He-Man castle. How cool
is that!

I mean, I don't want it. I Definitely do not want it.

And I definitely am not eyeing a He-Man castle set for $60USD on Ebay.
I am not pulling out the credit card now. It's not happening brain,
stop trying to make it happen! Let go of my hands! We have rent to
pay!

(Brains: what can you do, eh? You can't live with 'em, and are
drooling on the floor without 'em)

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
....
> >I had to ask: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_tech/comments/advyl9/castle_greyskull_gaming_pc/ :)

> People of the Internet, you have been redeemed.
> But a very specific Searcher Of The Internet must now hang their head
> in shame!

> (obediently hangs head)

> See? This is what I want. A case made out of a He-Man castle. How cool
> is that!

> I mean, I don't want it. I Definitely do not want it.

> And I definitely am not eyeing a He-Man castle set for $60USD on Ebay.
> I am not pulling out the credit card now. It's not happening brain,
> stop trying to make it happen! Let go of my hands! We have rent to
> pay!

> (Brains: what can you do, eh? You can't live with 'em, and are
> drooling on the floor without 'em)

I need a new brain. Mine is broken or even missing. :(

Speaking of He-Man, did anyone play that Atari 2600 version? I remember
wanting to buy it back then. It was uhh OK.
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On 22/07/2023 16:05, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:11:20 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/07/2023 13:39, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:18:17 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's weird really how fashion enters something like what a PC looks
>>>> like. It felt like everything was beige and then all of a sudden
>>>> everything was black. Saying that my PC case of over twenty years is a
>>>> deep mauve colour.
>
>>> not forget the awful iMac days, when every PC maker seemed to be
>>> trying to emulate Apple and it's awful transparent Bondi blue design.
>>> Black was such a relief after that era...
>
>> Could be worse, imagine if the fashion was for transparent sides and
>> lots of LED's!
>
>
> <looks at current PC>
>
> That's just mean, man. ;-)
>
>
>
> (the /really/ sad thing is, I now own THREE PCs with transparent side
> panels. Of course, one of them I got simply to satirize the whole
> idea. Who knew that just a couple years later I'd actually /pay/ for
> the privilege?)
>

I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:10:37 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

>I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
>but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
>means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

I want my PC to look nice. It sits right next to me on the floor and I
do not want an ugly eyesore in my room. Of course, what I think is
nice and what you think is boring and what someone else thinks is too
much bling is going to differ.

On 25/07/2023 13:54, Mike S. wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:10:37 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
>> but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
>> means I'm against people doing it if they want to.
>
> I want my PC to look nice. It sits right next to me on the floor and I
> do not want an ugly eyesore in my room. Of course, what I think is
> nice and what you think is boring and what someone else thinks is too
> much bling is going to differ.

I understand wanting it to look a bit more styled if it's in a living
space and I even understand PC builders who want to showcase their work.
It's when I see main stream PC's going down the same route of full on
bling I find hard to understand.

And just to reiterate, I don't have any problems if that's what people
want but instead unlike the vast majority of things which I wouldn't do
myself but understand why people like them this is in the category of
leaving me scratching my head.

Horses for courses and all that.

Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
> The only thing
> missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
> somewhere. 😉
Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter.
Benefit... well SSD!
costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
drive!

Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
>I want my PC to look nice. It sits right next to me on the floor and I
>do not want an ugly eyesore in my room. Of course, what I think is
>nice and what you think is boring and what someone else thinks is too
>much bling is going to differ.

I don't really care too much about what my PC looks like. When selecting
a case and components for my new PC I didn't want any LED stuff because
I don't want my case to be a distraction, and I didn't want glass panel
because I didn't want have to worry about it breaking. I was willing to
pay extra to avoid these things, but as it happened that wasn't necessary.
Other factors though did drive up the cost of my case, like wanting a
5.25" drive bay in a case with modern features.

I didn't really care much about the colour, and while I might have balked
at some sort of "radical" "gamer" case design, there's plenty of plain
boring case designs out there. The case I ended up with is basically
a solid black monolith.

That said, I've never really liked beige cases even when they were norm.
There was no universal standard beige colour. So the beige front bezels
of floppy and opticals drives never matched the beige of the plastic
front panels they slotted into. Even the the painted metal side panels
of cases where a slightly different beige than the plastic front panels.
Over time these colour differences only became more apparent as the
plastics yellowed.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

>Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>> The only thing
>> missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
>> somewhere. ?
>Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter.
>Benefit... well SSD!
>costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
>probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
>drive!

It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
not?"

Still, when it comes to retro-PCs I'm not entirely sanguine about the
idea of using SSDs. For one thing, the interface limits a lot of the
speed benefits; old PCs counted disk speeds in megabytes/second, not
gigabytes, and superfast SSDs aren't really going to give you that
much of a boost. Using translation interfaces (SATA-to-PATA) only
slows things down even more. There can be compatibility issues too,
not only with the adapters, but with too-fast drives (yes, some
applications balked at getting data faster than was logically possible
when they were programmed). Plus, the lack of TRIM commands on older
operating systems means they'll kill SSDs faster than if they were
used on modern hardware (built-in garbage collection routines help,
but TRIM helps even more).

Then again, I suppose it depends what you mean by 'retro'. If an old
PC for you is something from 2015, then an SSD can revitalize it. But
the stuff I'm working on tends to be a bit older than that.

Anyway, I have a good number of spinning-rust drives just waiting to
be put to use in older machines anyway. If I am going to buy SSDs, I'd
rather use them on newer computers. It's not really a retro-PC if you
can't hear the harddrive clicking anyway. ;-)

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

> >Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
> >> The only thing
> >> missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
> >> somewhere. ?
> >Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter.
> >Benefit... well SSD!
> >costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
> >probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
> >drive!

> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
> disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
> not?"

But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

> Still, when it comes to retro-PCs I'm not entirely sanguine about the
> idea of using SSDs. For one thing, the interface limits a lot of the
> speed benefits; old PCs counted disk speeds in megabytes/second, not
> gigabytes, and superfast SSDs aren't really going to give you that
> much of a boost. Using translation interfaces (SATA-to-PATA) only
> slows things down even more. There can be compatibility issues too,
> not only with the adapters, but with too-fast drives (yes, some
> applications balked at getting data faster than was logically possible
> when they were programmed). Plus, the lack of TRIM commands on older
> operating systems means they'll kill SSDs faster than if they were
> used on modern hardware (built-in garbage collection routines help,
> but TRIM helps even more).

> Then again, I suppose it depends what you mean by 'retro'. If an old
> PC for you is something from 2015, then an SSD can revitalize it. But
> the stuff I'm working on tends to be a bit older than that.

> Anyway, I have a good number of spinning-rust drives just waiting to
> be put to use in older machines anyway. If I am going to buy SSDs, I'd
> rather use them on newer computers. It's not really a retro-PC if you
> can't hear the harddrive clicking anyway. ;-)

As long as of it is not the clicks of death. :-P
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On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:
>
>>> Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>>>> The only thing
>>>> missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
>>>> somewhere. ?
>>> Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter.
>>> Benefit... well SSD!
>>> costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
>>> probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
>>> drive!
>
>> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
>> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
>> disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
>> not?"
>
> But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P
>
Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
10TB was $297.97.

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On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
> disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
> not?"

Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a package!

On 7/27/2023 7:03 AM, JAB wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
>> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
>> disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
>> not?"
>
> Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
> external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a package!

At least there was something in the package! A while back I went into
the local Staples for a cable, pulled the package off the shelf myself
and paid for it. When I got home and opened it the was no cable inside!
Went back and did the "Uh, what happened here?" and they replaced it,
checking this time that there was a cable in the package.

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On 7/27/2023 9:42 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
>
>> But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P
>>
> Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70.  A
> 10TB was $297.97.

You're sure it's a Solid State drive? Sounds too good to be true, never
seen them anywhere near those prices before.

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On 7/27/2023 2:28 PM, Metal Guru wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 9:42 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
>>
>>> But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P
>>>
>> Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70.  A
>> 10TB was $297.97.
>
> You're sure it's a Solid State drive? Sounds too good to be true, never
> seen them anywhere near those prices before.
>
Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
a hard drive. Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
>a hard drive. Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.

Historically there have been much smaller hard drives, like IBM's 42.8mm
x 5mm x 36.4mm Microdrives which could fit inside a CF card. They never
got anywhere near 5TB in size though.

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On 27/07/2023 21:16, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 7:03 AM, JAB wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
>>> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
>>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
>>> disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
>>> not?"
>>
>> Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
>> external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a
>> package!
>
> At least there was something in the package!  A while back I went into
> the local Staples for a cable, pulled the package off the shelf myself
> and paid for it.  When I got home and opened it the was no cable inside!
>  Went back and did the "Uh, what happened here?" and they replaced it,
> checking this time that there was a cable in the package.
>

At least you can see how that could be a honest mistake. Selling what is
effectively a 64GB SD card as a 4/8/16TB SSD, that's just a scam.

On 7/28/2023 3:26 AM, JAB wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 21:16, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 7:03 AM, JAB wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
>>>> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
>>>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
>>>> disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
>>>> not?"
>>>
>>> Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
>>> external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a
>>> package!
>>
>> At least there was something in the package!  A while back I went into
>> the local Staples for a cable, pulled the package off the shelf myself
>> and paid for it.  When I got home and opened it the was no cable
>> inside!   Went back and did the "Uh, what happened here?" and they
>> replaced it, checking this time that there was a cable in the package.
>>
>
> At least you can see how that could be a honest mistake. Selling what is
> effectively a 64GB SD card as a 4/8/16TB SSD, that's just a scam.

We figured that someone had opened the packed inside the store, taken
the cable and put the re-closed (but not re-sealed) package back.

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>On 22/07/2023 16:05, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:11:20 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/07/2023 13:39, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:18:17 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's weird really how fashion enters something like what a PC looks
>>>>> like. It felt like everything was beige and then all of a sudden
>>>>> everything was black. Saying that my PC case of over twenty years is a
>>>>> deep mauve colour.
>>
>>>> not forget the awful iMac days, when every PC maker seemed to be
>>>> trying to emulate Apple and it's awful transparent Bondi blue design.
>>>> Black was such a relief after that era...
>>
>>> Could be worse, imagine if the fashion was for transparent sides and
>>> lots of LED's!
>>
>>
>> <looks at current PC>
>>
>> That's just mean, man. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> (the /really/ sad thing is, I now own THREE PCs with transparent side
>> panels. Of course, one of them I got simply to satirize the whole
>> idea. Who knew that just a couple years later I'd actually /pay/ for
>> the privilege?)
>>
>
>I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
>but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
>means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

Wasn't most of the impetus for this nonsense LAN parties?

People took their PCs to some location LANned them up and played
whatever games, so of course, just like the car buffoons in Fast and
Furious, they had to bling up their cases with lights and stickers and
windows and all the rest of the stuff that has literally nothing to do
with performance or gaming ability.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
> > Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:
> >
> >>> Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
> >>>> The only thing
> >>>> missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
> >>>> somewhere. ?
> >>> Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter.
> >>> Benefit... well SSD!
> >>> costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
> >>> probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
> >>> drive!
> >
> >> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
> >> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
> >> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
> >> disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
> >> not?"
> >
> > But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P
> >
> Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
> 10TB was $297.97.

Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?
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On 7/28/2023 2:52 PM, Ant wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
>>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>>>>>> The only thing
>>>>>> missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
>>>>>> somewhere. ?
>>>>> Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter.
>>>>> Benefit... well SSD!
>>>>> costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
>>>>> probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
>>>>> drive!
>>>
>>>> It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
>>>> of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
>>>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
>>>> disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
>>>> not?"
>>>
>>> But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P
>>>
>> Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
>> 10TB was $297.97.
>
> Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?

Seagate. No idea about internals, didn't need an internal.

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On 28/07/2023 06:36, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
>> a hard drive. Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.
>
> A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
> are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.
>

They are surprisingly small when you're used to what you get for a
desktop PC. My guess is at that price it's a HDD and the 5TB size is
also strange as SSD's are memory chips so 1/2/4/8 etc.

There is of course the option it was just incorrectly priced.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:31:48 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 7/28/2023 2:52 PM, Ant wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:

>>>> But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

>>> Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
>>> 10TB was $297.97.

>> Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?

>Seagate. No idea about internals, didn't need an internal.

Seagate is meanwhile pushing 50TB mechanical drives and the tech it
uses - heat-assisted magnetic recording - promises increased ata
densities beyond that. Bytes-per-dollar, I think spinning rust will
maintain the lead for a while. SSDs are great for OS and apps, but for
data - where you rarely need that sort of speed - mechanical still
remains a viable choice.

I dread the idea of restoring a 50TB drive, though. Moving that much
data even onto an SSD drive would take forever.

On 7/29/2023 5:31 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:31:48 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 7/28/2023 2:52 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
>
>
>>>>> But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P
>
>>>> Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
>>>> 10TB was $297.97.
>
>>> Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?
>
>> Seagate. No idea about internals, didn't need an internal.
>
> Seagate is meanwhile pushing 50TB mechanical drives and the tech it
> uses - heat-assisted magnetic recording - promises increased ata
> densities beyond that. Bytes-per-dollar, I think spinning rust will
> maintain the lead for a while. SSDs are great for OS and apps, but for
> data - where you rarely need that sort of speed - mechanical still
> remains a viable choice.
>
> I dread the idea of restoring a 50TB drive, though. Moving that much
> data even onto an SSD drive would take forever.
>
Is a mechanical drive of that size going to require a separate power
cord? Or can it get enough power thru the USB connection?

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On 7/29/2023 5:48 AM, JAB wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 06:36, Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
>>> a hard drive.  Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.
>>
>> A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
>> are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.
>>
> They are surprisingly small when you're used to what you get for a
> desktop PC. My guess is at that price it's a HDD and the 5TB size is
> also strange as SSD's are memory chips so 1/2/4/8 etc.
>
> There is of course the option it was just incorrectly priced.

Yes, the one he mentioned is a HDD for sure - 5TB SSD's don't exist and
if they did the price would be astronomical.

I have a USB WD Black 5TB HDD that I bought on Black Friday last year
for about $100 including taxes and shipping (Best Buy), but I've seen
them for as little as $89 recently.

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Metal Guru <MetalGuru@isityou.com> wrote:
....
> I have a USB WD Black 5TB HDD that I bought on Black Friday last year
> for about $100 including taxes and shipping (Best Buy), but I've seen
> them for as little as $89 recently.

Costco has 5 TB USB3 HDD for $100:
https://www.costco.com/seagate-one-touch-5tb-portable-hard-drive-with-rescue-data-recovery-services.product.100761181.html
So far, it works for me. I was told that these external USB HDDs don't
last long like my former Seagate 4 TB USB HDD from 2020 that died a few
months ago. :(
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