There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true (and
likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see Samsung make
fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course then copy it six
months later on their own new phone models.

Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far better.
Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their infotainment
devices and steering wheels controls have realised they're crap and are
moving back to physical ones instead.

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true (and
> likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see Samsung make
> fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course then copy it six
> months later on their own new phone models.
>
> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far better.
> Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their infotainment
> devices and steering wheels controls have realised they're crap and are
> moving back to physical ones instead.
>
>
>

If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread and will
be defended to the death in this group.

Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
>> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
>> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true (and
>> likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see Samsung make
>> fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course then copy it six
>> months later on their own new phone models.
>>
>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far better.
>> Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their infotainment
>> devices and steering wheels controls have realised they're crap and are
>> moving back to physical ones instead.
>>
>>
>>
>
> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread and will
> be defended to the death in this group.

Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?

--
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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
>>> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
>>> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true (and
>>> likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see Samsung make
>>> fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course then copy it six
>>> months later on their own new phone models.
>>>
>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far better.
>>> Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their infotainment
>>> devices and steering wheels controls have realised they're crap and are
>>> moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread and will
>> be defended to the death in this group.
>
> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>

Aha, you’ve found Arlen again!

Good job, jughead.

On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
>>> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
>>> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true (and
>>> likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see Samsung make
>>> fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course then copy it six
>>> months later on their own new phone models.
>>>
>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far better.
>>> Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their infotainment
>>> devices and steering wheels controls have realised they're crap and are
>>> moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread and will
>> be defended to the death in this group.
>
> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>

I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone 14
and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I wish
even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know which
position it is in. Very useful. Does this make me an "Arlen"?

--
Wilf

Wilf wrote:

>On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will
>>>>lose some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with
>>>>capacitive touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out
>>>>to be true (and likely on the high end model first), you'll
>>>>probably see Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only
>>>>to of course then copy it six months later on their own new
>>>>phone models.
>>>>
>>>>Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>>better. Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>>infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>>they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced
>>>bread and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>
>>Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>
>
>I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone
>14 and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I
>wish even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know
>which position it is in. Very useful. Does this make me an "Arlen"?

Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a troll.

On 23/04/2024 at 11:28, badgolferman wrote:
> Wilf wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will
>>>>> lose some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with
>>>>> capacitive touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out
>>>>> to be true (and likely on the high end model first), you'll
>>>>> probably see Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only
>>>>> to of course then copy it six months later on their own new
>>>>> phone models.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>>> better. Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>>> infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>>> they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced
>>>> bread and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>>
>>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>>
>>
>> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone
>> 14 and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I
>> wish even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know
>> which position it is in. Very useful. Does this make me an "Arlen"?
>
> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a troll.

Well, I really hope not.

--
Wilf

On 23.04.2024 12:28, badgolferman wrote:
> Wilf wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced
>>>> bread and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>>
>>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>>
>>
>> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone
>> 14 and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I
>> wish even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know
>> which position it is in. Very useful. Does this make me an "Arlen"?
>
> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a troll.

QED: You are Troll. A brain dead Troll not willing to contribute a
constructive opinion.

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

On 2024-04-22 18:57, Your Name wrote:
>
> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose some
> or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive touch
> buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true (and likely on
> the high end model first), you'll probably see Samsung make fun of how
> silly the idea is ... only to of course then copy it six months later on
> their own new phone models.
>
> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far better.
> Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their infotainment devices
> and steering wheels controls have realised they're crap and are moving
> back to physical ones instead.

Depends on the function. For cars, many things should be a physical
button, dial or lever for speed of access and safety.

If you have to take your eyes off the road to adjust the ventilation fan
level or (esp.) select defrost (defog), then it is a safety issue IMO.

As to phones, not much on the safety issue argument so ... we'll see.

--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.

On 2024-04-23 01:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?

Just ignore it. Deprive it of oxygen.

--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.

On 2024-04-23 09:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> QED: You are Troll. A brain dead Troll not willing to contribute a
> constructive opinion.

By replying to it, you oxygenate it.

--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.

Alan Browne wrote:

>On 2024-04-23 09:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>QED: You are Troll. A brain dead Troll not willing to contribute a
>>constructive opinion.
>
>By replying to it, you oxygenate it.

"it"? My, you sure are feeling superior today, aren't you?

--
"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices." ~ William James

On 2024-04-23, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
>>>> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
>>>> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true
>>>> (and likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see
>>>> Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course
>>>> then copy it six months later on their own new phone models.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>> better. Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>> infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>> they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>
>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread
>>> and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>
>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>
> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone 14
> and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I wish
> even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know which
> position it is in. Very useful.

Conceptually, I agree, but I can't tell you the last time I actually
toggled the mute switch in my pocket - or toggled it all. It's generally
something I set once and then forget about since I like my phones to be
muted.

> Does this make me an "Arlen"?

Nope, you just have a different opinion. Differing opinions aren't a
problem here. Trolling is. Can you distinguish between offering a
genuine opinion and trolling? It seems maybe you can't.

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On 2024-04-23, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
> On 23/04/2024 at 11:28, badgolferman wrote:
>> Wilf wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will
>>>>>> lose some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with
>>>>>> capacitive touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out
>>>>>> to be true (and likely on the high end model first), you'll
>>>>>> probably see Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only
>>>>>> to of course then copy it six months later on their own new
>>>>>> phone models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>>>> better. Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>>>> infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>>>> they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced
>>>>> bread and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>>
>>> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone
>>> 14 and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I
>>> wish even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know
>>> which position it is in. Very useful. Does this make me an "Arlen"?
>>
>> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a troll.
>
> Well, I really hope not.

badgolferman trolls here regularly, so if you are taking his word for
anything regarding trolling, you're pretty gullible.

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On 2024-04-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>>On 2024-04-23 09:36, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>> QED: You are Troll. A brain dead Troll not willing to contribute a
>>> constructive opinion.
>>
>> By replying to it, you oxygenate it.
>
> "it"? My, you sure are feeling superior today, aren't you?

Touched a nerve? You trolls are thin-skinned losers.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

>>> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a
>>>troll.
>>
>> Well, I really hope not.
>
>badgolferman trolls here regularly, so if you are taking his word for
>anything regarding trolling, you're pretty gullible.

I think Wilf is old enough to decide for himself who tells the truth,
notwithstanding your indirect insult of him.

--
"The Bible tells us to love our neighbors and also to love our enemies;
probably because generally they are the same people." ~ G. K. Chesterton

On 2024-04-23 10:28:27 +0000, badgolferman said:
> Wilf wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will
>>>>> lose some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with
>>>>> capacitive touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out
>>>>> to be true (and likely on the high end model first), you'll
>>>>> probably see Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only
>>>>> to of course then copy it six months later on their own new
>>>>> phone models.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>>> better. Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>>> infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>>> they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>>
>>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced
>>>> bread and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>>
>>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>
>> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone
>> 14 and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I
>> wish even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know
>> which position it is in. Very useful. Does this make me an "Arlen"?
>
> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a troll.

Opinions are fine. It's posting* misleading or utter nonsense by the
anti-Apple know-nothing brigade that makes it a troll.

* Usually cross-posted to the Android newsgroup so they can impress all
their "friends" there with how clever they are ... when in reality
nobody in that newsgroup wants them either.

On 23 Apr 2024 16:11:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>>>> QED: You are Troll. A brain dead Troll not willing to contribute a
>>>> constructive opinion.
>>>
>>> By replying to it, you oxygenate it.
>>
>> "it"? My, you sure are feeling superior today, aren't you?
>
> Touched a nerve? You trolls are thin-skinned losers.

The responses prove iCulists are ignorant childish bullies.

Like a child, Alan Browne has no argument but to call people 'it'.
Like a child, Jolly Roger calls all statements about Apple trolls.

These iCultists are ignorant low IQ uneducated herd animals.
They will use all their chilcish bullying, to force posters to only say
that which is "approved" by the iCult herd animals that they are.

Like pigs, they will butt you out of the herd for speaking the truth.
Just watch.

On 23 Apr 2024 16:11:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>>>> QED: You are Troll. A brain dead Troll not willing to contribute a
>>>> constructive opinion.
>>>
>>> By replying to it, you oxygenate it.
>>
>> "it"? My, you sure are feeling superior today, aren't you?
>
> Touched a nerve? You trolls are thin-skinned losers.

The responses prove iCulists are ignorant childish bullies.

Like a child, Alan Browne has no argument but to call people 'it'.
Like a child, Jolly Roger calls all statements about Apple trolls.

These iCultists are ignorant low IQ uneducated herd animals.
They will use all their chilcish bullying, to force posters to only say
that which is "approved" by the iCult herd animals that they are.

Like pigs, they will butt you out of the herd for speaking the truth.
Just watch.

On 23/04/2024 at 18:15, badgolferman wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>>> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a
>>>> troll.
>>>
>>> Well, I really hope not.
>>
>> badgolferman trolls here regularly, so if you are taking his word for
>> anything regarding trolling, you're pretty gullible.
>
>
> I think Wilf is old enough to decide for himself who tells the truth,
> notwithstanding your indirect insult of him.
>

I reckon so.

--
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On 23/04/2024 at 17:09, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-04-23, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
>>>>> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
>>>>> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true
>>>>> (and likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see
>>>>> Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course
>>>>> then copy it six months later on their own new phone models.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>>> better. Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>>> infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>>> they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>>
>>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread
>>>> and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>>
>>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>
>> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes. The iPhone 14
>> and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I wish
>> even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know which
>> position it is in. Very useful.
>
> Conceptually, I agree, but I can't tell you the last time I actually
> toggled the mute switch in my pocket - or toggled it all. It's generally
> something I set once and then forget about since I like my phones to be
> muted.
>
>> Does this make me an "Arlen"?
>
> Nope, you just have a different opinion. Differing opinions aren't a
> problem here. Trolling is. Can you distinguish between offering a
> genuine opinion and trolling? It seems maybe you can't.
>

Ooh, maybe I can't. Surely you can do better than put a genuine poster
off ever bothering to make a comment here?

--
Wilf

Wilf wrote:
> On 23/04/2024 at 17:09, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-04-23, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 23/04/2024 at 06:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 23.04.24 um 01:34 schrieb badgolferman:
>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are lots of rumors that the iPhone 16 (or maybe 17) will lose
>>>>>> some or all of its physical buttons, to be replaced with capacitive
>>>>>> touch buttons instead. Assuming the rumours turn out to be true
>>>>>> (and likely on the high end model first), you'll probably see
>>>>>> Samsung make fun of how silly the idea is ... only to of course
>>>>>> then copy it six months later on their own new phone models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I hate touch buttons. Physical buttons are far far
>>>>>> better.  Even car makers who had used touch buttons on their
>>>>>> infotainment devices and steering wheels controls have realised
>>>>>> they're crap and are moving back to physical ones instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Apple does it then it will be the best thing since sliced bread
>>>>> and will be defended to the death in this group.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have something material to contribute, Troll?
>>>
>>> I personally prefer physical buttons for some purposes.  The iPhone 14
>>> and earlier mute switch is something I can actuate in which way I wish
>>> even in the dark or in a pocket and can also, by touch, know which
>>> position it is in.  Very useful.
>>
>> Conceptually, I agree, but I can't tell you the last time I actually
>> toggled the mute switch in my pocket - or toggled it all. It's generally
>> something I set once and then forget about since I like my phones to be
>> muted.
>>
>>> Does this make me an "Arlen"?
>>
>> Nope, you just have a different opinion. Differing opinions aren't a
>> problem here. Trolling is. Can you distinguish between offering a
>> genuine opinion and trolling? It seems maybe you can't.
>>
>
> Ooh, maybe I can't.  Surely you can do better than put a genuine poster off
> ever bothering to make a comment here?
>

Join the iCult, and you'll have no problems here.

But beware of the anti-apple trolls. They are legion.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 18:46:58 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Join the iCult, and you'll have no problems here.

None of the herd animals will disparage anyone who toes the party line.

Yet the instant someone states a fact they don't like about Apple - they
turn into a herd of instant ignorant swine - snorting like Jolly Roger pigs
and charging like Alan Browne childish ignorant bullies always do.

> But beware of the anti-apple trolls. They are legion.

You do realize they're not anti Apple... they just state the facts.

Sten deJoode wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 18:46:58 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>> Join the iCult, and you'll have no problems here.
>
> None of the herd animals will disparage anyone who toes the party line.
>
> Yet the instant someone states a fact they don't like about Apple - they
> turn into a herd of instant ignorant swine - snorting like Jolly Roger pigs
> and charging like Alan Browne childish ignorant bullies always do.
>
>> But beware of the anti-apple trolls. They are legion.
>
> You do realize they're not anti Apple... they just state the facts.
>

You are being unfair. You simply haven't heard the apple gospel yet.

I'm praying for you.

On 2024-04-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>>> Any opinion outside of the "approved" Apple one makes you a
>>>> troll.
>>>
>>> Well, I really hope not.
>>
>> badgolferman trolls here regularly, so if you are taking his word for
>> anything regarding trolling, you're pretty gullible.
>
> I think Wilf is old enough to decide for himself

I never claimed differently. And it's easy enough for anyone interested
to read your trollish posts.

> notwithstanding your indirect insult of him.

Not an insult (especially if he doesn't just take your word for it) -
just the truth.

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