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 by: FromTheRafters - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:25 UTC

David Brooks laid this down on his screen :
> On 28/03/2023 02:58, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> I thought that his statement indicated a misunderstanding on his part, and
>> I still do.
>
> Please point to the item which you /think/ I misunderstood.

That there is NO equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.

PC manufacturers generally called their basic input/output system BIOS
but by any other name such as UEFI they still perform the same basic
functions.

The term 'Settings' and that the storage is RAM as opposed to ROM or
EEPROM implies that the stored information can be easily altered by the
user or the system once running.

I think that you are thinking that internal off-disk data storage areas
are dangerous (malware?) or perhaps just used for "your trial version
has expired" sort of supercookie persistence function that you wish to
defeat.

CMOS is the type of circuit design and manufacturing process used for
these things because it consumes very little power and the 'keep alive'
voltage (whether it gets called a CMOS capacitor or battery makes no
difference) will last longer. Even if this stuff is all VLSI and
onboard the main processor chip, it still performs the same function.

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 by: FromTheRafters - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:29 UTC

David Brooks expressed precisely :
> On 28/03/2023 05:58, James McDougal wrote:
>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>
>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>
>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>
> WOW! How come those images have been released, James?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANT_catalog

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 by: David Brooks - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:59 UTC

On 28/03/2023 10:29, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David Brooks expressed precisely :
>> On 28/03/2023 05:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>
>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>
>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>
>> WOW! How come those images have been released, James?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANT_catalog

Thank you. Very interesting reading.

I've bookmarked and may well have a deeper look in due course.

--
David

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 10:47 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 17:06:13 +0100, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> After serious thinking David Brooks wrote :
>> On 27/03/2023 15:04, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks explained on 3/27/2023 :
>>>> On 27/03/2023 12:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> on 3/27/2023, David Brooks supposed :
>>>>>> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, ? Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about? Copying the hardware
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> the software?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ? :rolls_eyes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued? We're all using IBM clones aren't
>>>>>>>>>> we?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
>>>>>>>>> PCI.
>>>>>>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never observed it, it is possible. My BIOS has protection against
>>>>>>> it, so thre must be threats out there. The first answer in Quora is
>>>>>>> correct:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
>>>>>>> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>>>>>>> Detection:
>>>>>>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>>>>>>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it.. If
>>>>>>> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used
>>>>>>> to have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS. I assume Macs
>>>>>>> are similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can
>>>>>>> you press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the OS like
>>>>>>> on a PC? I know there are some keys which do special things before the
>>>>>>> OS loads when the OS is needing fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
>>>>>> But I'm willing to learn!
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean CMOS?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.macworld.com/article/224955/how-to-reset-a-macs-nvram-pram-and-smc.html
>>>>
>>>> No, Sir!
>>>>
>>>> I learnt about that within the first two years of owning my /first/ iMac!
>>>> (bought 2009)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks anyway!
>>>
>>> Then what do you mean by "equivalent to BIOS settings" if not storage in
>>> NVRAM?
>>
>>
>> PLease see if there is anything here which will help you:-
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=there+is+*NO*+equivalent+to+BIOS+settings+on+a+Mac.+
>
> https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode
>
> =================> BIOS mode only exists on PCs, right? Well, sort of. Although the Mac
> doesn’t have a bios mode, it has something similar. In this article,
> we’ll get into what BIOS mode is, its equivalent on the Mac, and how to
> enter and use it.
> =================>
> Yep, it helps.

Can't be letting users actually modify their own property can we?

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 10:53 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 16:34:14 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

> On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?
>
> Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and
> the boot drive is not always C.

The whole thing doesn't make sense. The left dialog box is of system, which appears to contain a computer and a documents folder, but no drives!

The right dialog box is headed "my computer", so it's not looking at just one drive or folder. But it shows a drive C labelled documents which is empty.

> BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted
> from E.

That far back drive letters meant something. It was ridiculous, you could trash a system by:
Take it's C: drive and physically connect it as a second drive to another computer.
Boot the other computer. Two C drives? Not allowed, the second one would be changed to D automatically.
Return the drive to the original computer. Now it only has a D and can't boot. Almost impossible to fix.

So I've no idea how you could boot from E.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 10:56 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 23:46:56 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 3/27/2023 11:34 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?
>>
>> Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and the boot drive is not always C.
>>
>> BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted from E.
>>
>
> The drive having "0 bytes" used on it, I found that amusing.
>
> It might be able to say "0 bytes" if it was RAW, but
> since the label says FAT32, then immediately the used space
> has to be >0 . RAW partitions say "0 for everything".

NEver noticed that, I just checked a formatted FAT32 USB stick, it says 64KB used. So it's actually counting the file allocation table?

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 by: Paul - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:08 UTC

On 3/28/2023 6:53 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 16:34:14 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?
>>
>> Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and
>> the boot drive is not always C.
>
> The whole thing doesn't make sense.  The left dialog box is of system, which appears to contain a computer and a documents folder, but no drives!
>
> The right dialog box is headed "my computer", so it's not looking at just one drive or folder.  But it shows a drive C labelled documents which is empty.
>
>> BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted
>> from E.
>
> That far back drive letters meant something.  It was ridiculous, you could trash a system by:
> Take it's C: drive and physically connect it as a second drive to another computer.
> Boot the other computer.  Two C drives?  Not allowed, the second one would be changed to D automatically.
> Return the drive to the original computer.  Now it only has a D and can't boot.  Almost impossible to fix.
>
> So I've no idea how you could boot from E.

On Windows, part of drive identity is stored in the registry.

The Registry can remember things like "serial numbers". This is
so Plug And Play has space already assigned for parameter storage.
Then, it does not matter which SATA port a drive is on, it can
still be set as drive T: if you want. Move it from port to port,
it is still T: . If it had no serial number, then the identity
would have to be re-established manually, as you moved from SATA
port to SATA port.

Not all drive letters are established by first come, first serve.
Drive letters could be manually assigned by the user, on a
previous date. It is the boot drive, which tends to define its
latter first. And that's how it "tends" to be C: . There is nothing
magical about the letter C: , the developers name is not Charlie
or something. It's an enumeration from a pool of letters.

Linux is closer to First Come First Serve, when it comes to the assignment
of resource identifiers in /dev . The analysis is done in "bus order",
which is why the identifiers tend to be the same, from boot to boot.
But the method of population, is dynamic.

Paul

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 08:08:05 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>Not all drive letters are established by first come, first serve.
>Drive letters could be manually assigned by the user, on a
>previous date. It is the boot drive, which tends to define its
>latter first. And that's how it "tends" to be C: . There is nothing
>magical about the letter C: , the developers name is not Charlie
>or something. It's an enumeration from a pool of letters.

Not only is C: not magical, neither are A: and B:, which were
traditionally reserved for floppy drives but can actually be used for
any purpose. Many years ago when I had only two hard drives, I assigned
them as A: and B:, and my Windows installation was on E: For a short
time, I also had a system where I installed Windows to W:. It seemed to
make sense at the time.

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On 3/28/2023 3:06 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 08:08:05 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Not all drive letters are established by first come, first serve.
>> Drive letters could be manually assigned by the user, on a
>> previous date. It is the boot drive, which tends to define its
>> latter first. And that's how it "tends" to be C: . There is nothing
>> magical about the letter C: , the developers name is not Charlie
>> or something. It's an enumeration from a pool of letters.
>
> Not only is C: not magical, neither are A: and B:, which were
> traditionally reserved for floppy drives but can actually be used for
> any purpose. Many years ago when I had only two hard drives, I assigned
> them as A: and B:, and my Windows installation was on E: For a short
> time, I also had a system where I installed Windows to W:. It seemed to
> make sense at the time.
>

I think when I did something like that, it required turning
off the floppy controller in the BIOS. And then there were
more possibilities for A: and B: .

Paul

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 20:58 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:59:58 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:

> On 3/27/2023 6:58 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:11:37 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/27/2023 4:36 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:58:47 +0100, James McDougal
>>>> <JMD@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about? Copying the hardware or
>>>>>> the software?
>>>>>
>>>>> 🙄 :rolls_eyes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>
>>>> The sentence was "IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel"
>>>> technology".
>>>>
>>>> Since OS/2 AFAIK is a software OS, I couldn't see hardware being
>>>> within it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in the
>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it."
>>>
>>> You stopped reading, so you missed "in the motherboard". Motherboard is
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> Maybe I should have used "with it" instead of "within it".
>>
>> I understood what you said but didn't believe you, since I thought
>> OS/2 was just an operating system.
>
> Before OS/2, all the IBM PC "DOS", and "Win 1.x, 2.x, 3.x, 4.x" for
> IBM's PC line of computers were made by Microsoft.
>
> IBM's OS/2 came out together with the micro-channel. Micro-channel is
> the connector on the motherboard that accepts plug-in cards, much like
> the PCIe today. IBM's goal was to wrestle back the ownership of its own
> PC line of computers from Microsoft and clone makers.
>
> IBM failed to choke Microsoft and clone makers off because Microsoft
> formed a consortium with hardware manufacturers to develop new
> technologies for the PC and made the new PCs substantially different
> from IBM's original design. Bill Gates, with the help of Chinese
> manufacturing capacity, became the world's richest man by robbing IBM
> and made Microsoft Windows the dominant computer operating system in
> consumer and business applications.

Robbing IBM? Looks rather like IBM robbed first.

And they're still at it with non standard shit in servers.

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 3 Apr 2023 21:03 UTC

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 23:12:56 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 01/01/1970 01:00, Bosun Jimmy wrote:
>> David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2023 04:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/HZlXAyx.jpg
>>>> It's a screengrab from a TV program. OS/2? Something fictitious?
>>>
>>> I'm fairly sure that it is Windows 3.1
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x
>>
>>
>> The screen-shot says, "File System: FAT 32."
>>
>> The FAT 32 file system started with Windows 95 OSR2 in 1996.
>> Some years after Windows 3.1.
>
> You are correct ..... but your 'clock' is wrong!

It wouldn't surprise me if Windows 95 came out in 96. Did you know Windows 98 was actually called Windows 97? They renamed it when it took too long to come out. However I stole a Windows 97 off an FTP site. Bloody slow site, but I downloaded it at work on several machines, so I could make more than one connection (they limited speed per IP address).

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On Apr 3, 2023 at 2:03:04 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.12uffesymvhs6z@ryzen.home>:

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 23:12:56 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/01/1970 01:00, Bosun Jimmy wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2023 04:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/HZlXAyx.jpg
>>>>> It's a screengrab from a TV program. OS/2? Something fictitious?
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure that it is Windows 3.1
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x
>>>
>>>
>>> The screen-shot says, "File System: FAT 32."
>>>
>>> The FAT 32 file system started with Windows 95 OSR2 in 1996.
>>> Some years after Windows 3.1.
>>
>> You are correct ..... but your 'clock' is wrong!
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if Windows 95 came out in 96.

I think it was late '95... like October or so if memory serves correctly.

(Googling)

August 24, 1995

OK, not quite that late, but close.

> Did you know Windows 98 was actually called Windows 97? They renamed it when
> it took too long to come out. However I stole a Windows 97 off an FTP site.
> Bloody slow site, but I downloaded it at work on several machines, so I could
> make more than one connection (they limited speed per IP address).

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:50:03 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 28/03/2023 09:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:58:47 +0100, James McDougal
>> <JMD@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>
>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>
>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>
>> So they can only surveil those with inadequate AV protection? I can't
>> see how that would work.
>
>
> There's lots to read about here, Commander! :-D
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

32000 spies. Why the fuck does the American population put up with that?

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On 05/04/2023 22:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:50:03 +0100, David Brooks
> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 28/03/2023 09:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:58:47 +0100, James McDougal
>>> <JMD@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>
>>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>>
>>> So they can only surveil those with inadequate AV protection?  I can't
>>> see how that would work.
>>
>>
>> There's lots to read about here, Commander! :-D
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
>
> 32000 spies.  Why the fuck does the American population put up with that?

You may learn more about what they do, here:-

https://www.nsa.gov/About/Cybersecurity-Collaboration-Center/

You may read about our UK "spies" here if you wish:-

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/who-we-are

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 10:29:30 +0100, FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> David Brooks expressed precisely :
>> On 28/03/2023 05:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>
>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>
>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>
>> WOW! How come those images have been released, James?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANT_catalog

I'm surprised they haven't tried to take down Wikipedia.

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 13:08:05 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On 3/28/2023 6:53 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 16:34:14 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?
>>>
>>> Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and
>>> the boot drive is not always C.
>>
>> The whole thing doesn't make sense. The left dialog box is of system, which appears to contain a computer and a documents folder, but no drives!
>>
>> The right dialog box is headed "my computer", so it's not looking at just one drive or folder. But it shows a drive C labelled documents which is empty.
>>
>>> BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted
>>> from E.
>>
>> That far back drive letters meant something. It was ridiculous, you could trash a system by:
>> Take it's C: drive and physically connect it as a second drive to another computer.
>> Boot the other computer. Two C drives? Not allowed, the second one would be changed to D automatically.
>> Return the drive to the original computer. Now it only has a D and can't boot. Almost impossible to fix.
>>
>> So I've no idea how you could boot from E.
>
> On Windows, part of drive identity is stored in the registry.
>
> The Registry can remember things like "serial numbers". This is
> so Plug And Play has space already assigned for parameter storage.
> Then, it does not matter which SATA port a drive is on, it can
> still be set as drive T: if you want. Move it from port to port,
> it is still T: . If it had no serial number, then the identity
> would have to be re-established manually, as you moved from SATA
> port to SATA port.

Works ok until that letters is in use. For example I have an external drive which was always D:. Until I plugged it in when there was a USB stick in first. Then it became E: and stuck that way ever since, bloody annoying.

> Not all drive letters are established by first come, first serve.
> Drive letters could be manually assigned by the user, on a
> previous date. It is the boot drive, which tends to define its
> latter first. And that's how it "tends" to be C: . There is nothing
> magical about the letter C: , the developers name is not Charlie
> or something. It's an enumeration from a pool of letters.

The C: on older versions of Windows was very very important, as I said, if you plugged your C: boot drive into another computer as a second drive, it became D:, and was no longer bootable. That's why you'll find if you clone the system drive with cloning software, it gives it no drive letter, or A:.

> Linux is closer to First Come First Serve, when it comes to the assignment
> of resource identifiers in /dev . The analysis is done in "bus order",
> which is why the identifiers tend to be the same, from boot to boot.
> But the method of population, is dynamic.

That would also go crazy if you happened to plug drives in a different order.

I have a similar problem with monitors. If one powers up before the other, Windows decides they're in a different position on the virtual desktop.

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> I have a similar problem with monitors. If one powers up before the other,
> Windows decides they're in a different position on the virtual desktop.

Is this still true with modern Windows?

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On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 01:41:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 5, 2023 at 4:47:21 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.12ycc7tvmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>
>> I have a similar problem with monitors. If one powers up before the other,
>> Windows decides they're in a different position on the virtual desktop.
>
> Is this still true with modern Windows?

It's fine with normal monitors, but I have one on a USB to VGA adapter (saves me putting on a second graphics card, as the primary one only has 4 outputs). It's powered by software and doesn't kick in for a few seconds after I've logged in. Another is a cheap 40" HD TV. It doesn't go into standby when I turn off/sleep/lock the computer, because TVs expect an HDMI CEC signal. Monitors just go off when there's no signal. The TV does sometimes eventually go off with no signal (but takes an hour and often forgets), and doesn't come back on until I press the power button.

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On Apr 15, 2023 at 12:23:54 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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> On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 01:41:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 5, 2023 at 4:47:21 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.12ycc7tvmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>
>>> I have a similar problem with monitors. If one powers up before the other,
>>> Windows decides they're in a different position on the virtual desktop.
>>
>> Is this still true with modern Windows?
>
> It's fine with normal monitors, but I have one on a USB to VGA adapter (saves
> me putting on a second graphics card, as the primary one only has 4 outputs).
> It's powered by software and doesn't kick in for a few seconds after I've
> logged in. Another is a cheap 40" HD TV. It doesn't go into standby when I
> turn off/sleep/lock the computer, because TVs expect an HDMI CEC signal.
> Monitors just go off when there's no signal. The TV does sometimes eventually
> go off with no signal (but takes an hour and often forgets), and doesn't come
> back on until I press the power button.

macOS usually handles multiple monitors well, but when I use Screen Mirroring
over AirPlay it gets all confused. Really should not. It should "just work"
and it does not.

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On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:13:28 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 05/04/2023 22:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:50:03 +0100, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/03/2023 09:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:58:47 +0100, James McDougal
>>>> <JMD@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>>>
>>>> So they can only surveil those with inadequate AV protection? I can't
>>>> see how that would work.
>>>
>>>
>>> There's lots to read about here, Commander! :-D
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
>>
>> 32000 spies. Why the fuck does the American population put up with that?
>
> You may learn more about what they do, here:-
>
> https://www.nsa.gov/About/Cybersecurity-Collaboration-Center/
>
> You may read about our UK "spies" here if you wish:-
>
> https://www.mi5.gov.uk/who-we-are

Where's a Guy Fawkes when you need one?

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 by: David Brooks - Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:48 UTC

On 15/04/2023 19:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:13:28 +0100, David Brooks
> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 05/04/2023 22:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:50:03 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/03/2023 09:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:58:47 +0100, James McDougal
>>>>> <JMD@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> So they can only surveil those with inadequate AV protection?  I can't
>>>>> see how that would work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's lots to read about here, Commander! :-D
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
>>>
>>> 32000 spies.  Why the fuck does the American population put up with
>>> that?
>>
>> You may learn more about what they do, here:-
>>
>> https://www.nsa.gov/About/Cybersecurity-Collaboration-Center/
>>
>> You may read about our UK "spies" here if you wish:-
>>
>> https://www.mi5.gov.uk/who-we-are
>
> Where's a Guy Fawkes when you need one?

I did consider joining MI5 when I retired early from the Royal Navy!

Sadly, Brooks doesn't have quite the same ring about it as 'Bond'!

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On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:48:53 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 15/04/2023 19:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 23:13:28 +0100, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/04/2023 22:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:50:03 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28/03/2023 09:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:58:47 +0100, James McDougal
>>>>>> <JMD@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This ought to be sufficient answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_SWAP.jpg
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_DEITYBOUNCE.jpg
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NSA_IRATEMONK.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they can only surveil those with inadequate AV protection? I can't
>>>>>> see how that would work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's lots to read about here, Commander! :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
>>>>
>>>> 32000 spies. Why the fuck does the American population put up with
>>>> that?
>>>
>>> You may learn more about what they do, here:-
>>>
>>> https://www.nsa.gov/About/Cybersecurity-Collaboration-Center/
>>>
>>> You may read about our UK "spies" here if you wish:-
>>>
>>> https://www.mi5.gov.uk/who-we-are
>>
>> Where's a Guy Fawkes when you need one?
>
> I did consider joining MI5 when I retired early from the Royal Navy!
>
> Sadly, Brooks doesn't have quite the same ring about it as 'Bond'!

Surely you can have a nom de er... whatever that phrase is.

You were going to work for the government? Traitor!

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 20:06:07 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 16, 2023 at 11:31:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.13ia2npemvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:34:39 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2023 at 5:01:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.13hs07f9mvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:29:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2023 at 12:23:54 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.13git40wmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 01:41:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2023 at 4:47:21 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.12ycc7tvmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a similar problem with monitors. If one powers up before the other,
>>>>>>>> Windows decides they're in a different position on the virtual desktop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this still true with modern Windows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's fine with normal monitors, but I have one on a USB to VGA adapter (saves
>>>>>> me putting on a second graphics card, as the primary one only has 4 outputs).
>>>>>> It's powered by software and doesn't kick in for a few seconds after I've
>>>>>> logged in. Another is a cheap 40" HD TV. It doesn't go into standby when I
>>>>>> turn off/sleep/lock the computer, because TVs expect an HDMI CEC signal.
>>>>>> Monitors just go off when there's no signal. The TV does sometimes eventually
>>>>>> go off with no signal (but takes an hour and often forgets), and doesn't come
>>>>>> back on until I press the power button.
>>>>>
>>>>> macOS usually handles multiple monitors well, but when I use Screen Mirroring
>>>>> over AirPlay it gets all confused. Really should not. It should "just work"
>>>>> and it does not.
>>>>
>>>> All programmers are fuckwits. It's not just mistakes, it's stupidly designed
>>>> interfaces. Then removing things which worked, in the name of redesign for the
>>>> sake of it.
>>>
>>> There are times that is true. Sure.
>>
>> Many many times.
>
> It is a shame macOS seems to be heading the wrong direction with its UI.
> Though also adding things... so not all bad, but I wish they had their strong
> UI focus like they did in the past.

I see the same with Windows. Millions of people are downloading freeware to change the interface to an earlier version. I've got one called startallback.

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On Apr 16, 2023 at 12:37:51 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
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>>>>> All programmers are fuckwits. It's not just mistakes, it's stupidly designed
>>>>> interfaces. Then removing things which worked, in the name of redesign for the
>>>>> sake of it.
>>>>
>>>> There are times that is true. Sure.
>>>
>>> Many many times.
>>
>> It is a shame macOS seems to be heading the wrong direction with its UI.
>> Though also adding things... so not all bad, but I wish they had their strong
>> UI focus like they did in the past.
>
> I see the same with Windows. Millions of people are downloading freeware to
> change the interface to an earlier version. I've got one called startallback.

I have used similar apps. Yeah... when they went to tiles they went insane.

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On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 21:35:38 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 16, 2023 at 12:37:51 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.13id5dcpmvhs6z@ryzen.home>:
>
>>>>>> All programmers are fuckwits. It's not just mistakes, it's stupidly designed
>>>>>> interfaces. Then removing things which worked, in the name of redesign for the
>>>>>> sake of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are times that is true. Sure.
>>>>
>>>> Many many times.
>>>
>>> It is a shame macOS seems to be heading the wrong direction with its UI.
>>> Though also adding things... so not all bad, but I wish they had their strong
>>> UI focus like they did in the past.
>>
>> I see the same with Windows. Millions of people are downloading freeware to
>> change the interface to an earlier version. I've got one called startallback.
>
> I have used similar apps. Yeah... when they went to tiles they went insane.

That was easy to turn off, the proper interface remained. What's worse is when they removed most functionality from the start menu. You won't understand as you probably launch from your dock, but I use the desktop for temporary placement of stuff, the taskbar for running programs, and the start menu to start programs. I don't understand people who run programs and start programs form the same place, it's very untidy and you can't clearly see what's what. They took stuff off the start menu like the most recently used system. That's the way I open almost every program.

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