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* Why can't we all get along?Nigel Reed
+* Re: Why can't we all get along?Olivier Miakinen
|+* Re: Why can't we all get along?Marc SCHAEFER
||`- Re: Why can't we all get along?Olivier Miakinen
|`* Re: Why can't we all get along?Nigel Reed
| `- Re: Why can't we all get along?Julien ÉLIE
`* Re: Why can't we all get along?Marc SCHAEFER
 `- Re: Why can't we all get along?Julien ÉLIE

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Why can't we all get along?

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From: sys...@endofthelinebbs.com (Nigel Reed)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Why can't we all get along?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 13:12:17 -0600
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 by: Nigel Reed - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 19:12 UTC

I pulled a list of groups from my peers

fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous macOS.

fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous Mac OS.

fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous MacOS.

usenet = distributed mess :)

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Re: Why can't we all get along?

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From: om+n...@miakinen.net (Olivier Miakinen)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:20:16 +0100
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 by: Olivier Miakinen - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 19:20 UTC

Hello,

Le 06/11/2022 20:12, Nigel Reed a écrit :
> I pulled a list of groups from my peers
>
> fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous macOS.
>
> fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous Mac OS.
>
> fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous MacOS.

Also:

<http://www.usenet-fr.net/checkgroups.html>
<cit.>
fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous Mac OS.
</cit.>

<http://www.usenet-fr.net/fur/chartes/comp.sys.mac.communication.html>
<cit.>
Description : Aspects réseaux et communication sous MacOS
</cit.>

Can someone retrieve the requests for discussion and for vote that probably
occurred before the 15th of December 1996?

--
Olivier Miakinen

Re: Why can't we all get along?

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From: schae...@alphanet.ch (Marc SCHAEFER)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:06:17 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Posted through news.alphanet.ch
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 by: Marc SCHAEFER - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:06 UTC

Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
> usenet = distributed mess :)

There are regularly posted checkgroup messages with the correct list of
newsgroups and names.

Beware that the GPG key was changed one or two years ago.

Re: Why can't we all get along?

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Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:09:37 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Marc SCHAEFER - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:09 UTC

Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net> wrote:
> Can someone retrieve the requests for discussion and for vote that probably
> occurred before the 15th of December 1996?

https://usenet-fr.alphanet.ch/search/message-id/%3C57j9s7%241hr%241%40schnok.fr.net%3E/0

https://usenet-fr.alphanet.ch/search/message-id/%3Cfr-r-ng_850203185%40pasteur.fr%3E/0

Sorry for the bad encoding, this part of my archive came from
archive.org with all diacritics replaced by a specific Unicode
codepoint.

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From: sys...@endofthelinebbs.com (Nigel Reed)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:24:53 -0600
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 by: Nigel Reed - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 21:24 UTC

On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 20:20:16 +0100
Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Le 06/11/2022 20:12, Nigel Reed a écrit :
> > I pulled a list of groups from my peers
> >
> > fr.comp.sys.mac.communication
> > Réseaux et communications sous macOS.
> >
> > fr.comp.sys.mac.communication
> > Réseaux et communications sous Mac OS.
> >
> > fr.comp.sys.mac.communication
> > Réseaux et communications sous MacOS.
>
> Also:
>
> <http://www.usenet-fr.net/checkgroups.html>
> <cit.>
> fr.comp.sys.mac.communication Réseaux et communications sous
> Mac OS. </cit.>
>
> <http://www.usenet-fr.net/fur/chartes/comp.sys.mac.communication.html>
> <cit.>
> Description : Aspects réseaux et communication sous MacOS
> </cit.>
>
> Can someone retrieve the requests for discussion and for vote that
> probably occurred before the 15th of December 1996?

I just meant this as an example. There's lots more in the fr. groups
and other foreign language ones too. Encoding does seem to be a
problem, there's one server that has completely different encoding and
I think even the ISC newsgroups list has a mix.

There's all sorts of encoding types when I look at the filetyped I've
grabbed.

endofthelinebbs-out.news.weretis.net.newsgroups: ASCII text
news.bbs.nz.newsgroups: ISO-8859 text
newsfeed.xs3.de.newsgroups: ASCII text
news.furie.org.uk.newsgroups: Unicode text, UTF-8 text
news.netfront.net.newsgroups: ISO-8859 text
news.nk.ca.newsgroups: ISO-8859 text
news.quux.org.newsgroups: ISO-8859 text
news.samoylyk.net.newsgroups: ISO-8859 text
news.tnetconsulting.net.newsgroups: ISO-8859 text
nyheter.lysator.liu.se.newsgroups: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text
peer.alt119.net.newsgroups: ASCII text
usenet.blueworldhosting.com.newsgroups: ASCII text

--
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telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

Re: Why can't we all get along?

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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 22:30:29 +0100
Organization: Groupes francophones par TrigoFACILE
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 21:30 UTC

Bonsoir Marc,

> There are regularly posted checkgroup messages with the correct list of
> newsgroups and names.

Yes, and more specifically for the description of
fr.comp.sys.mac.communication, it was last updated in late 2020.

Two persons agreed with the proposal, and nobody complained:

<rp7rom$ph5$1@pasdenom.info>
https://usenet-fr.alphanet.ch/search/message-id/%3Crp7rom$ph5@pasdenom.info%3E/0

<i1pd1vFi5e2U1@mid.individual.net>
https://usenet-fr.alphanet.ch/search/message-id/%3Ci1pd1vFi5e2U1@mid.individual.net%3E/0

It can of course be updated again if a better description is needed
though, like Nigel found out, the change won't occur in all news servers.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« – Sauve qui peut !
– Je ne sais pas si je peux, mais je vais essayer ! » (Astérix)

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Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
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 by: Julien ÉLIE - Sun, 6 Nov 2022 21:38 UTC

Hi Nigel,

> Encoding does seem to be a
> problem, there's one server that has completely different encoding and
> I think even the ISC newsgroups list has a mix.

FWIW, here is a UTF-8-encoded newsgroups file based on the one of the ISC:
http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/data/newsgroups.utf8

As there no longer are control messages for hierarchies with non-ASCII
characters encoded differently than UTF-8, maybe the ISC newsgroups file
could be manually updated to be in UTF-8?

--
Julien ÉLIE

« J'aimerais un peu plus d'enthousiasme et un peu moins de latin quand
je demande un volontaire ! » (César)

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From: om+n...@miakinen.net (Olivier Miakinen)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Why can't we all get along?
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 by: Olivier Miakinen - Mon, 7 Nov 2022 12:46 UTC

Le 06/11/2022 21:09, Marc SCHAEFER a écrit :
>
> https://usenet-fr.alphanet.ch/search/message-id/%3C57j9s7%241hr%241%40schnok.fr.net%3E/0
>
> https://usenet-fr.alphanet.ch/search/message-id/%3Cfr-r-ng_850203185%40pasteur.fr%3E/0

Thank you and Julien for your responses.

--
Olivier Miakinen

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