We just confirmed in the Windows newsgroups that the instant you buy into
the Apple ecosystem, you _lose_ functionality in terms of free emulation.

To wit, while there are many free Android emulators that work on Windows
(all by its itty bitty self), there apparently isn't even a _single_ free
iOS emulator that works on Windows (all by its itty bitty self).

Yet again the instant you choose the Apple ecosystem - you lose all choice.

On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 12:00:00 PM UTC-8, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> We just confirmed in the Windows newsgroups that the instant you buy into
> the Apple ecosystem, you _lose_ functionality in terms of free emulation.
>
> To wit, while there are many free Android emulators that work on Windows
> (all by its itty bitty self), there apparently isn't even a _single_ free
> iOS emulator that works on Windows (all by its itty bitty self).
>
> Yet again the instant you choose the Apple ecosystem - you lose all choice.

This isn't news. A friend was asked to code an app for the iPhone on the company Windows laptop and he told the CTO to get him a Mac Laptop since he wasn't using his personal machine for company business. They fired him the next day rather than buy him a Mac.

I'm glad this company went under some months later after hearing about the asshole that was the CTO. He made all the wrong decisions and it cost them the company.

In article <11dc2192-cdbe-4d48-bb76-c37d7e8c48bbn@googlegroups.com>,
MeV <michael.vilain@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This isn't news. A friend was asked to code an app for the iPhone on the
> company Windows laptop and he told the CTO to get him a Mac Laptop since he
> wasn't using his personal machine for company business. They fired him the
> next day rather than buy him a Mac.

there is probably more to the story, but in any event, it's possible to
write ios apps without a mac, although it's not ideal.

> I'm glad this company went under some months later after hearing about the
> asshole that was the CTO. He made all the wrong decisions and it cost them the company.

that's probably not the only stupid decision the cto made.

nospam wrote:

> In article <11dc2192-cdbe-4d48-bb76-c37d7e8c48bbn@googlegroups.com>,
> MeV <michael.vilain@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This isn't news. A friend was asked to code an app for the iPhone on
>> the company Windows laptop and he told the CTO to get him a Mac Laptop
>> since he wasn't using his personal machine for company business. They
>> fired him the next day rather than buy him a Mac.
>
> there is probably more to the story, but in any event, it's possible to
> write ios apps without a mac, although it's not ideal.

I use a couple of those all-in-one dev systems that compile for every modern
system under the sun, including iOS. I just test the iOS builds on my wife's
iPhone. [shrug]

>> I'm glad this company went under some months later after hearing about
>> the asshole that was the CTO. He made all the wrong decisions and it
>> cost them the company.
>
> that's probably not the only stupid decision the cto made.

Reddit, Not Always Right, Customers Suck, etc. are all full of similar
stories.

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On 2021-12-04 19:15:29 +0000, Auric__ said:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <11dc2192-cdbe-4d48-bb76-c37d7e8c48bbn@googlegroups.com>,
>> MeV <michael.vilain@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This isn't news. A friend was asked to code an app for the iPhone on
>>> the company Windows laptop and he told the CTO to get him a Mac Laptop
>>> since he wasn't using his personal machine for company business. They
>>> fired him the next day rather than buy him a Mac.
>>
>> there is probably more to the story, but in any event, it's possible to
>> write ios apps without a mac, although it's not ideal.
>
> I use a couple of those all-in-one dev systems that compile for every modern
> system under the sun, including iOS. I just test the iOS builds on my wife's
> iPhone. [shrug]
>
>>> I'm glad this company went under some months later after hearing about
>>> the asshole that was the CTO. He made all the wrong decisions and it
>>> cost them the company.
>>
>> that's probably not the only stupid decision the cto made.
>
> Reddit, Not Always Right, Customers Suck, etc. are all full of similar
> stories.

I've yet to meet *anyone* in management who has more intelligence than
a six-month old dog poo ... yet they get paid massive amounts of money
for doing nothing actually useful. :-(

On 2021-12-04 15:02, Your Name wrote:

> I've yet to meet *anyone* in management who has more intelligence than a
> six-month old dog poo ... yet they get paid massive amounts of money for
> doing nothing actually useful.  :-(

Very shallow experience in life, you've had.

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On 2021-12-03 14:59, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> We just confirmed in the Windows newsgroups that the instant you buy into
> the Apple ecosystem, you _lose_ functionality in terms of free emulation.
>
> To wit, while there are many free Android emulators that work on Windows
> (all by its itty bitty self), there apparently isn't even a _single_ free
> iOS emulator that works on Windows (all by its itty bitty self).

Why should there be?

IAC, iOS developers at large use Macs and XCode which includes the
simulated experience within it.

Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if need
be. Or purchase tools if such actually exist for Windows (I wouldn't
know or esp. care).

You, in the meantime come up with lame attacks for that purpose alone.
In essence you waste resources for everyone (air, food, water - just to
get started...) and produce nothing of use or value.

> Yet again the instant you choose the Apple ecosystem - you lose all choice.

I have not "lost anything" other than the bloated mess called Windows.
(I do use it under VM for work however due to legacy s/w still in use as
I do Linux for embedded development on an unrelated platform).

OTOH, all my Apple devices (Macs at home and work, iPhone, iPads, Watch)
are all seamlessly integrated directly or via iCloud. And that is what
counts for me.

Meanwhile keep on wasting air, food, water and energy looking for
unimportant little things.

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man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On 2021-12-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2021-12-03 14:59, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> We just confirmed in the Windows newsgroups that the instant you buy
>> into the Apple ecosystem, you _lose_ functionality in terms of free
>> emulation.
>>
>> To wit, while there are many free Android emulators that work on
>> Windows (all by its itty bitty self), there apparently isn't even a
>> _single_ free iOS emulator that works on Windows (all by its itty
>> bitty self).
>
> Why should there be?
>
> IAC, iOS developers at large use Macs and XCode which includes the
> simulated experience within it.
>
> Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if
> need be.

And Apple (for the moment) still sells Intel-based Macs, including the
Mac mini.

> Or purchase tools if such actually exist for Windows (I
> wouldn't know or esp. care).
>
> You, in the meantime come up with lame attacks for that purpose alone.

BINGO

> In essence you waste resources for everyone (air, food, water - just
> to get started...) and produce nothing of use or value.

Yep. Usenet will instantly improve the day this old fart keels over and
dies. And that day is coming. Many of us will crack open a beer in
celebration on that day.

> Meanwhile keep on wasting air, food, water and energy looking for
> unimportant little things.

It's all he's got - trolling is *literally* his entire life. His is a
pathetic existence. Sad.

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On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 15:45:24 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> Why should there be?

It's a good question as to why there aren't any free iOS emulators on
Windows when there are lots of free Android emulators on Windows.

If you're a user, as I am, and you like certain apps, as I do, then you
might want those apps to run on your Windows PC (e.g., NewPipe is so much
better than YouTube that anyone who uses YouTube is an idiot, IMHO).
<https://newpipe.net/>

Even if I liked certain iOS apps, they wouldn't run on Windows because of
the lack of emulators. Of course, if they run _only_ on Apple platforms,
then that just proves the point that you lose that choice the instant you
decided on the Apple platform. Apple likes it that way; it's why Apple
profits are so high because you're stuck buying more and more Apple stuff.
> IAC, iOS developers at large use Macs and XCode which includes the
> simulated experience within it.

I wrote a ton of tutorials for all the free emulators that exist on the
platforms that _billions_ of people are on, but all my tutorials are for
_users_ (not for developers). Developers have different needs than users.

> Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if need
> be. Or purchase tools if such actually exist for Windows (I wouldn't
> know or esp. care).

I think it's interesting that you and nospam both can't comprehend that
emulators are also used by users (and not only by app developers).

For some strange reason, your entire belief system (and that of nospam),
completely whooshes on the fact that _users_ enjoy emulation also.

Not everyone on the planet is a developer, and, in fact, there are far more
users than there are developers who can make use of free PC emulators.

> You, in the meantime come up with lame attacks for that purpose alone.

I think it's telling that you ignore _billions_ of people who are on Windows
and who are not developers, and then you call all facts about that to be a
"lame attack".

It's _you_ who is ignorant here... not me.

You have no idea that there are _billions_ of users who can use emulation.

> In essence you waste resources for everyone (air, food, water - just to
> get started...) and produce nothing of use or value.

I just proved your entire belief system is based on ignoring _billions_ of
users. It's weird that your entire belief system ignores the basic facts.

>> Yet again the instant you choose the Apple ecosystem - you lose all choice.
>
> I have not "lost anything" other than the bloated mess called Windows.
> (I do use it under VM for work however due to legacy s/w still in use as
> I do Linux for embedded development on an unrelated platform).
>
> OTOH, all my Apple devices (Macs at home and work, iPhone, iPads, Watch)
> are all seamlessly integrated directly or via iCloud. And that is what
> counts for me.

Of course it does. You are probably also ecstatic that Apple gouges your
eyes out every time they take away functionality so that you have to buy it
back. Apple loves people like you who are forced to buy into the entire
Apple ecosystem because Apple has you imprisoned in their walled garden.

You can't make those ungodly profit margins off of intelligent customers.

> Meanwhile keep on wasting air, food, water and energy looking for
> unimportant little things.

While you say I wasted air looking to free OS emulation that is available to
_billions_ of PC users right now for Android but not for iOS, but I just
proved your entire belief system is based on you ignoring that salient fact.

It's shocking how ignorant you apologists always turn out to be, where not
one of you would last a week at an Ivy League school or a high-tech startup.

Your entire belief system is based on almost zero actual facts.
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On 2021-12-04 21:06, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> Your entire belief ...

Continue to entertain yourself with creative writing.

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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
> Andy Burnelli wrote
>> Your entire belief ...
> Continue to entertain yourself with creative writing.

Beats yours stupid fucked wanking.

On 5 Dec 2021 00:39:43 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> It's all he's got

Because I have a good heart, I tested & wrote & published separate tutorials
on installing & using each of all the known free emulator on Windows for
Linux and Android (of which there are many) always for the benefit of users
to follow in my footsteps (because I'm a good person).

How many tutorials did you heartless cruel childish Apple morons write?
HINT: none

Why not?
HINT: You can't.

It's not surprising that thoroughly unprepossessing people like Alan Browne
and Jolly Roger despise the simple fact that free Android emulation exists.
--
They hate that the instant they bought into Apple, they lost all choice.

On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 09:26:11 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> Continue to entertain yourself with creative writing.

Thank you for appreciating that I have a good heart in that I personally
tested, documented, and wrote _many_ freely available tutorials on how to
set up and use free Android Windows emulation to run any of billions of free
Android apps & utilities on Windows (e.g., NewPipe which kills YouTube).
https://newpipe.net/FAQ/

*The poor unfortunate iOS & Mac user can _never_ get that kind of privacy!*

Unfortunately, the instant you buy into the Apple ecosystem, the
instantaneous loss of functionality means there is no way to have that
commonly available powerful and useful functionality for iOS emulation.

It's not surprising that thoroughly unprepossessing people like Alan Browne
and Jolly Roger despise the simple fact that free Android emulation exists.
--
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On 2021-12-05, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> I have a good heart
> you heartless cruel childish Apple morons
> thoroughly unprepossessing people like Alan Browne and Jolly Roger

Sure, Arlen. Sure.

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On 5 Dec 2021 22:57:50 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Sure.

How many purposefully helpful general use software tutorials have I written
compared to those purposefully helpful tutorials you've written Jolly Roger?

What is the ratio, Jolly Roger?
a. 10 to 0?
b. 100 to 0?
c. 1,000 to 0?

The answer shows that the value I add is orders of magnitude greater.
In fact, in _every_ post from you, Jolly Roger, you _subtract_ value.

It's how I know you're a heartless cruel (rather ignorant) piece of shit.
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On 2021-12-06, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2021 22:57:50 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Sure.
>
> you're a heartless cruel (rather ignorant) piece of shit.

Projection and hate are all you ave, Arlen. Sad, pathetic old fart.

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In message <sok3s9$dut$1@gioia.aioe.org> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2021 22:57:50 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Sure.

> How many purposefully helpful general use software tutorials have I written

Zero.

> The answer shows that the value I add is orders of magnitude greater.

Zero is no orders of magnitude greater than anything, you vacuous
dipshit lying sack of fetid monkey vomit.

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On 2021-12-04 19:39, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-12-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>> Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if
>> need be.
>
> And Apple (for the moment) still sells Intel-based Macs, including the
> Mac mini.

You can also rent them from Amazon (real intel and M1 mac minis) and pay
by the hour while you compile and test your app. I have no experience
with this, but seems a pretty solid way to migrate/update and test on a
variety of OS versions and CPU types.

--
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man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens

On 12/10/2021 10:19 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2021-12-04 19:39, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2021-12-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>> Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if
>>> need be.
>>
>> And Apple (for the moment) still sells Intel-based Macs, including the
>> Mac mini.
>
> You can also rent them from Amazon (real intel and M1 mac minis) and pay
> by the hour while you compile and test your app.  I have no experience
> with this, but seems a pretty solid way to migrate/update and test on a
> variety of OS versions and CPU types.

Unlikely that they'll be selling Intel-based Macs for long. Supposedly
they're going to do an M1 version of the Mac Pro, the holdup is
designing an M1 and OS that can do the same kind of multiprocessing that
they do with the Intel Xeon Mac Pros.

This is going a bit of a pain for the users that have to use both
Windows and OS-X applications since now they'll need separate machines.

The Mac Pro is especially popular with users that need high-powered
workstation performance and must run Windows applications but also want
to run Final Cut Pro. If not for Final Cut Pro, the demand for a Mac Pro
that can't run Windows would be close to zero.

But it doesn't matter. Video editors that need to run Final Cut Pro will
still buy an M1 Mac Pro once they can no longer purchase an Intel-based
Mac Pro, and they'll buy another workstation for when they need to run
Avid for Windows.

In article <sp0da8$aq2$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Unlikely that they'll be selling Intel-based Macs for long.

it's guaranteed.

apple stated it would be a 2 year transition to apple silicon and
they're now a bit over 1 year into it.

> Supposedly
> they're going to do an M1 version of the Mac Pro,

nope.

by the time the apple silicon mac pro comes out, it almost certainly
will be using an m2 or maybe an entirely different chip classification.

> the holdup is
> designing an M1 and OS that can do the same kind of multiprocessing that
> they do with the Intel Xeon Mac Pros.

nope. that's not the holdup at all. the chips exist within apple.

the *existing* m1 max outperforms an intel xeon mac pro in many tasks.
> This is going a bit of a pain for the users that have to use both
> Windows and OS-X applications since now they'll need separate machines.

no pain at all because very few users fall into that category.

> The Mac Pro is especially popular with users that need high-powered
> workstation performance and must run Windows applications but also want
> to run Final Cut Pro. If not for Final Cut Pro, the demand for a Mac Pro
> that can't run Windows would be close to zero.

false. the mac pro is used for a wide variety of tasks other than just
final cut.

> But it doesn't matter. Video editors that need to run Final Cut Pro will
> still buy an M1 Mac Pro once they can no longer purchase an Intel-based
> Mac Pro, and they'll buy another workstation for when they need to run
> Avid for Windows.

most likely, they'll ditch windows entirely because an apple silicon
mac pro will leave windows systems in the dust, which the existing m1
macs already do for the most part.

In message <sp0da8$aq2$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 10:19 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2021-12-04 19:39, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if
>>>> need be.
>>>
>>> And Apple (for the moment) still sells Intel-based Macs, including the
>>> Mac mini.
>>
>> You can also rent them from Amazon (real intel and M1 mac minis) and pay
>> by the hour while you compile and test your app.  I have no experience
>> with this, but seems a pretty solid way to migrate/update and test on a
>> variety of OS versions and CPU types.

> Unlikely that they'll be selling Intel-based Macs for long. Supposedly
> they're going to do an M1 version of the Mac Pro

No supposedly about it.

> the holdup is

Bullshit you made up. There is no "holdup" you fucking troll. Apple said
there would be a two year transition to Apple Silicon, that stared a
year ago. If there is no M1 Mac Pro announced by this time next year
then, maybe, there is a holdup.

> The Mac Pro is especially popular with users that need high-powered
> workstation performance

True.

> and must run Windows applications

Utterly false.

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In article <slrnsr7lp1.14fi.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> In message <sp0da8$aq2$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Unlikely that they'll be selling Intel-based Macs for long. Supposedly
> > they're going to do an M1 version of the Mac Pro
>
> No supposedly about it.

correct.

*all* macs will be transitioning to apple silicon, including the mac
pro. this has been widely publicized and not in any way secret
knowledge.

> > the holdup is
>
> Bullshit you made up. There is no "holdup" you fucking troll. Apple said
> there would be a two year transition to Apple Silicon, that stared a
> year ago. If there is no M1 Mac Pro announced by this time next year
> then, maybe, there is a holdup.

any delays will be due to global supply constraints, which affects more
than just apple and has nothing to do with apple silicon.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 12/10/2021 10:19 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2021-12-04 19:39, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-04, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyone serious about developing apps can at least buy a used Mac if
>>>> need be.
>>>
>>> And Apple (for the moment) still sells Intel-based Macs, including the
>>> Mac mini.
>>
>> You can also rent them from Amazon (real intel and M1 mac minis) and pay
>> by the hour while you compile and test your app.  I have no experience
>> with this, but seems a pretty solid way to migrate/update and test on a
>> variety of OS versions and CPU types.
>
> Unlikely that they'll be selling Intel-based Macs for long. Supposedly
> they're going to do an M1 version of the Mac Pro, the holdup is
> designing an M1 and OS that can do the same kind of multiprocessing that
> they do with the Intel Xeon Mac Pros.

macOS is already super efficient for multithreaded workloads. If there will
be a multiprocessor Apple Silicon Mac Pro it'll be seamlessly integrated.

There's no "hold-up". There simply managing product lifecycles and supply
chains.

> This is going a bit of a pain for the users that have to use both
> Windows and OS-X applications since now they'll need separate machines.
>
> The Mac Pro is especially popular with users that need high-powered
> workstation performance and must run Windows applications but also want

I doubt any Mac Pro users run windows. It would be very inefficient.

> to run Final Cut Pro. If not for Final Cut Pro, the demand for a Mac Pro
> that can't run Windows would be close to zero.
>
> But it doesn't matter. Video editors that need to run Final Cut Pro will
> still buy an M1 Mac Pro once they can no longer purchase an Intel-based
> Mac Pro, and they'll buy another workstation for when they need to run
> Avid for Windows.

The efficiency gains made with an Apple Silicon Mac Pro are such that it'll
pay for a windows workstation in the rare scenarios that's required. Even
when the M1 mini was launched it was so fast that it made existing minis
redundant.

On 12/11/2021 5:47 AM, Chris wrote:

<snip>

> The efficiency gains made with an Apple Silicon Mac Pro are such that it'll
> pay for a windows workstation in the rare scenarios that's required. Even
> when the M1 mini was launched it was so fast that it made existing minis
> redundant.

You may not realize just how much power users spend on their
workstations. They can cost $20,000 or more (a lot more). Having to buy
two of them is a major expense. The Mac Pro, while criticized by some
people for the cost, is actually a very good deal for Windows workstation.

The Xeon Mac Pro is a boon to power-users. Cheaper than a similarly
configured HP Xeon workstation but able to also run OS-X for those rare
applications that are OS-X only.

Where the Mac Pro was especially useful was in non-linear video editing.
For simpler tasks, and movies without a lot of special effects, Final
Cut Pro is a lot easier to use, and a lot cheaper, than Avid. Avid for
Windows gets new capabilities before Avid for Mac so many editors use
Avid under Windows. It's a similar situation with Autocad where the OS-X
version is stripped down. And of course there are many engineering
applications, like Solidworks, that have no OS-X version at all.

In message <sp2dli$3nq$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> The Xeon Mac Pro is a boon to power-users. Cheaper than a similarly
> configured HP Xeon workstation but able to also run OS-X for those rare
> applications that are OS-X only.

You continue to make up shit about how mac pros are used to run windows.
You have failed to back up this complete bullshit assertion with
anything but your own opinion cast as fact.

The FACT is that very few Mac are used to run windows, and the ones that
do run windows do it via Fusion or Parallels, not via dual boot.

I know people with Mac Pros. I know professional video editors with
dozens of Mac Pros. None of them is using Boot Camp.

As always, you are full of shit.

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