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* text types?Dale
+* Re: text types?Dale
|+- Re: text types?Jack Lemmon
|`* Re: text types?Jukka K. Korpela
| `* Re: text types?Dale
|  `- Re: text types?David E. Ross
+- Re: text types?JJ
+* Re: text types?Arno Welzel
|`* Re: text types?Lewis
| `* Re: text types?Arno Welzel
|  +* Re: text types?David E. Ross
|  |`* Re: text types?Arno Welzel
|  | `* Re: text types?Helmut Richter
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|   `* Re: text types?Arno Welzel
|    `* Re: text types?Lewis
|     `* Re: text types?Arno Welzel
|      `* Re: text types?David E. Ross
|       `- Re: text types?Arno Welzel
`* Re: text types?Dale
 `* Re: text types?David E. Ross
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From: dal...@dalekelly.org (Dale)
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 by: Dale - Sat, 5 Mar 2022 18:56 UTC

Hi!

Here are some of my use of h1 and h2 text.

<h1>Dale's Website</h1>

<h2 style="color: #818285;">Discovering Metaphysics ...</h2>

I found that I can use h1 to h6 text.

What are options for non-header text?

I have been mainly using <p> paragraph style.

I saw p1,p2,p3 on W3 Schools. How many <p> styles are there?

https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp

I am kind of confused about using a paragraph style for a line style.

I have some of my edited PDF files I am changing to HTML.

I have some PDF files that I didn't edit that I will have to do
something like change them to .jpeg/etc.

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From: dal...@dalekelly.org (Dale)
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 by: Dale - Sat, 5 Mar 2022 19:23 UTC

On 3/5/2022 1:56 PM, Dale wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Here are some of my use of h1 and h2 text.
>
> <h1>Dale's Website</h1>
>
> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Discovering Metaphysics ...</h2>
>
> I found that I can use h1 to h6 text.
>
> What are options for non-header text?
>
> I have been mainly using <p> paragraph style.
>
> I saw p1,p2,p3 on W3 Schools. How many <p> styles are there?
>
> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp
>
> I am kind of confused about using a paragraph style for a line style.
>
> I have some of my edited PDF files I am changing to HTML.
>
> I have some PDF files that I didn't edit that I will have to do
> something like change them to .jpeg/etc.
>
>

looking for sentence types, not headers or lines

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 by: Jack Lemmon - Sat, 5 Mar 2022 19:58 UTC

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 by: Jukka K. Korpela - Sat, 5 Mar 2022 20:04 UTC

Dale wrote

> looking for sentence types, not headers or lines

If that’s what you really want, use <span> with a suitable class.
Example: <span class=sentence>Hello world!</span>

There is no sentence concept in HTML, so to make a sentence an element
(and hence styleable), you need to use inline (text-level) markup, and
<span> is the inline element with no defined meaning (and no default
effect on styling).

I don’t quite see what you would do with markup and styling for
sentences, though.

If your real question is still different, try asking it concisely with a
concrete example (piece of text and description of desired stylistic
effects).

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 by: Dale - Sat, 5 Mar 2022 20:23 UTC

On 3/5/2022 3:04 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> Dale wrote
>
>> looking for sentence types, not headers or lines
>
> If that’s what you really want, use <span> with a suitable class.
> Example: <span class=sentence>Hello world!</span>
>
> There is no sentence concept in HTML, so to make a sentence an element
> (and hence styleable), you need to use inline (text-level) markup, and
> <span> is the inline element with no defined meaning (and no default
> effect on styling).
>
> I don’t quite see what you would do with markup and styling for
> sentences, though.
>
> If your real question is still different, try asking it concisely with a
> concrete example (piece of text and description of desired stylistic
> effects).
>

if you are going to have a paragraph shouldn't there be sentences?

HTML6?

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 by: David E. Ross - Sun, 6 Mar 2022 00:54 UTC

On 3/5/2022 12:23 PM, Dale wrote:
> On 3/5/2022 3:04 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>> Dale wrote
>>
>>> looking for sentence types, not headers or lines
>>
>> If that’s what you really want, use <span> with a suitable class.
>> Example: <span class=sentence>Hello world!</span>
>>
>> There is no sentence concept in HTML, so to make a sentence an element
>> (and hence styleable), you need to use inline (text-level) markup, and
>> <span> is the inline element with no defined meaning (and no default
>> effect on styling).
>>
>> I don’t quite see what you would do with markup and styling for
>> sentences, though.
>>
>> If your real question is still different, try asking it concisely with a
>> concrete example (piece of text and description of desired stylistic
>> effects).
>
> if you are going to have a paragraph shouldn't there be sentences?
>
> HTML6?

I have never seen a paragraph element with a number. That is, I have
never seen <p1>, <p2>, etc.

My paragraphs contain sentences without any need for additional markup.
Instead, my paragraphs contain character strings. Some strings begin
with an upper-case letter and end with a period. I can have more than
one such string in a paragraph.

--
David E. Ross
"A Message to Those Who Are Not Vaccinated"
See my <http://www.rossde.com/index.html#vaccine>.

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On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 13:56:25 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> I saw p1,p2,p3 on W3 Schools. How many <p> styles are there?
>
> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp

Those p1, p2, p3 are not styles. They're class names which are user defined.

The available styles for any renderable tags are quite numerous.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference#index

And while p1, p2, p3 are not part of the standard tags, they can be used as
tags. They will be treated like SPAN tag but having different tag name. e.g.

<p1>p1 content</p1> <p2>p1 content <p3>p3 content</p3></p2>

> I am kind of confused about using a paragraph style for a line style.

P tag reserves the entire line for its own content, because it's a block
style element. If a text in it doesn't fill the whole line (or the last
line, if the P tag contents requires more than one line), any text after the
P tag (enclosed with a tag or not), will start from a new line, instead of
continuing from the free space of the previous line.

SPAN tag is an inline style element, where any inline element following it,
will continue from the end of the last line of the previous SPAN tag. It's
basically same as not enclosing the text with any tag at all, in terms of
placement of the starting text.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Sun, 6 Mar 2022 18:16 UTC

Dale:

> <h1>Dale's Website</h1>
>
> <h2 style="color: #818285;">Discovering Metaphysics ...</h2>
>
> I found that I can use h1 to h6 text.

Yes - for level 1 heading to level 6 heading.

> What are options for non-header text?
>
> I have been mainly using <p> paragraph style.
>
> I saw p1,p2,p3 on W3 Schools. How many <p> styles are there?

None. <p> is for "paragraph". There is no <p1>, <p2> etc.

Also see: <https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#toc-semantics>

> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_font.asp
>
> I am kind of confused about using a paragraph style for a line style.

There is no "paragraph style".

There also styles.

Styles can be applied to HTML elements.

There are inline HTML elements and block leven HTML elements.

Elements like h1...h6, p, div are block level elements because the
create an new block in the document.

Elements like em, b, span are inline elements as the only apply to text
inside a block.

> I have some of my edited PDF files I am changing to HTML.

Then you should first learn about what HTML really is and how to use CSS
to style it.

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 11:51 UTC

In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> There is no "paragraph style".

Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.

Put this in an HTML page and see how it looks.

#v+
This is a test
This is a test
This is a test

<p>this is a p test</p>
<p>this is a p test</p>
<p>this is a p test</p>
#v-

Very different.

> Styles can be applied to HTML elements.

Many HTML elements have inherent styling, <p> and the <h#> tags, for
example. You can override the styles, but they have styles.

> There are inline HTML elements and block leven HTML elements.

And those are also styles, and you can make an inline style into a block
style.

> Elements like h1...h6, p, div are block level elements because the
> create an new block in the document.

And can be made inline instead of blocks.

> Elements like em, b, span are inline elements as the only apply to text
> inside a block.

#v+
<p>this is a strong <strong>test</strong></p>
<p>this is a strong <strong style="display:block">test</strong></p>
#v-

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Lewis:

> In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> There is no "paragraph style".
>
> Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.

This is not a "style" - <p> is the *element* and it has some default
style propertites.

But there is no CSS rule for "make it look like a <p> element" and
therefore no "paragraph style". CSS just provides styles which are
applied to elements.

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 by: David E. Ross - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 17:12 UTC

On 3/7/2022 4:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Lewis:
>
>> In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> There is no "paragraph style".
>>
>> Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.
>
> This is not a "style" - <p> is the *element* and it has some default
> style propertites.
>
> But there is no CSS rule for "make it look like a <p> element" and
> therefore no "paragraph style". CSS just provides styles which are
> applied to elements.

At one time, Mozilla browsers -- Firefox and SeaMonkey -- had built-in
default styles for all HTML elements. The Mozilla Web site contained a
huge CSS file where anyone could see those defaults. That CSS file was
not a separate part of the installed browser. Instead, the styles were
internal to the browser. I do not know if this is still true.

--
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"A Message to Those Who Are Not Vaccinated"
See my <http://www.rossde.com/index.html#vaccine>.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 20:01 UTC

David E. Ross:

> On 3/7/2022 4:55 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Lewis:
>>
>>> In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> There is no "paragraph style".
>>>
>>> Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.
>>
>> This is not a "style" - <p> is the *element* and it has some default
>> style propertites.
>>
>> But there is no CSS rule for "make it look like a <p> element" and
>> therefore no "paragraph style". CSS just provides styles which are
>> applied to elements.
>
> At one time, Mozilla browsers -- Firefox and SeaMonkey -- had built-in
> default styles for all HTML elements. The Mozilla Web site contained a
> huge CSS file where anyone could see those defaults. That CSS file was
> not a separate part of the installed browser. Instead, the styles were
> internal to the browser. I do not know if this is still true.

This is still the case, every HTML element has a set of default styles.
You can easily examine this by using the "web developer tools" in
Firefox or Chrome.

For example in Chromium based browsers:

p {
display: block;
margin-block-start: 1em;
margin-block-end: 1em;
margin-inline-start: 0px;
margin-inline-end: 0px;
}

But this is not a "paragraph style". It's just a style which applies to
<p> elements. Exactly the same style can also be applied to <div> or
<h1> if you want to:

div {
display: block;
margin-block-start: 1em;
margin-block-end: 1em;
margin-inline-start: 0px;
margin-inline-end: 0px;
}

h1 {
display: block;
margin-block-start: 1em;
margin-block-end: 1em;
margin-inline-start: 0px;
margin-inline-end: 0px;
}

And if you name the style with a class name you can use it whenever you
want:

..default {
display: block;
margin-block-start: 1em;
margin-block-end: 1em;
margin-inline-start: 0px;
margin-inline-end: 0px;
}

And using this:

<div class="default">Some text in "default" style.</div>

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https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 21:14 UTC

In message <j8mdlaFke1aU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Lewis:

>> In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> There is no "paragraph style".
>>
>> Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.

> This is not a "style" - <p> is the *element* and it has some default
> style propertites.

There is a paragraph style, it is the style that is used with the <p>
tag.

> But there is no CSS rule for "make it look like a <p> element"

Of course there is.

This is the <p> style:

display: block;
margin: 1em 0 1em 0;

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 by: Helmut Richter - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 09:01 UTC

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, Arno Welzel wrote:

> David E. Ross:

> > At one time, Mozilla browsers -- Firefox and SeaMonkey -- had built-in
> > default styles for all HTML elements. The Mozilla Web site contained a
> > huge CSS file where anyone could see those defaults. That CSS file was
> > not a separate part of the installed browser. Instead, the styles were
> > internal to the browser. I do not know if this is still true.

This feature is at the same time very useful and very awkward for beginners
who want to produce readable nice-looking web pages – not fancy ones with all
gimmicks – without studying more details of CSS than they need for the
purpose:

– It is useful because the default styles are a good starting point. If you
write no CSS at all, you get already a web page looking somewhat
old-fashioned but readable. <p> or <ul> have default styles that do the job
well.

– It is awkward because *if* you write CSS (e.g. for tables where the default
style will not work for all the different types of tables), your
specifications mix with the specifications of the default style. So you are
in fact forced to specify *all* possible parameters lest you be surprised
by their default values.

> This is still the case, every HTML element has a set of default styles.
> You can easily examine this by using the "web developer tools" in
> Firefox or Chrome.
>
> For example in Chromium based browsers:
>
> p {
> display: block;
> margin-block-start: 1em;
> margin-block-end: 1em;
> margin-inline-start: 0px;
> margin-inline-end: 0px;
> }

What have I to do to see that? “use” the web developer tools is a bit fuzzy.

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In article <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2203080947140.2172@kiboko2>, hr.usenet@email.de
says...
>
....
>
> > This is still the case, every HTML element has a set of default styles.
> > You can easily examine this by using the "web developer tools" in
> > Firefox or Chrome.
> >
> > For example in Chromium based browsers:
> >
> > p {
> > display: block;
> > margin-block-start: 1em;
> > margin-block-end: 1em;
> > margin-inline-start: 0px;
> > margin-inline-end: 0px;
> > }
>
> What have I to do to see that? “use” the web developer tools is a bit fuzzy.

If using Chrome (Edge and Mozilla are similar) then google "developer tools
Chrome" and pick the Videos tab. Loads of offerings there.

--

Phil, London

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 by: Arno Welzel - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:37 UTC

Helmut Richter:

> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>> David E. Ross:
>
>>> At one time, Mozilla browsers -- Firefox and SeaMonkey -- had built-in
>>> default styles for all HTML elements. The Mozilla Web site contained a
>>> huge CSS file where anyone could see those defaults. That CSS file was
>>> not a separate part of the installed browser. Instead, the styles were
>>> internal to the browser. I do not know if this is still true.
>
> This feature is at the same time very useful and very awkward for beginners
> who want to produce readable nice-looking web pages – not fancy ones with all
> gimmicks – without studying more details of CSS than they need for the
> purpose:
>
> – It is useful because the default styles are a good starting point. If you
> write no CSS at all, you get already a web page looking somewhat
> old-fashioned but readable. <p> or <ul> have default styles that do the job
> well.
>
> – It is awkward because *if* you write CSS (e.g. for tables where the default
> style will not work for all the different types of tables), your
> specifications mix with the specifications of the default style. So you are
> in fact forced to specify *all* possible parameters lest you be surprised
> by their default values.

Or you just put a "reset" or "normalize" section at the beginning of
your CSS.

>> This is still the case, every HTML element has a set of default styles.
>> You can easily examine this by using the "web developer tools" in
>> Firefox or Chrome.
>>
>> For example in Chromium based browsers:
>>
>> p {
>> display: block;
>> margin-block-start: 1em;
>> margin-block-end: 1em;
>> margin-inline-start: 0px;
>> margin-inline-end: 0px;
>> }
>
> What have I to do to see that? “use” the web developer tools is a bit fuzzy.

Create a basic HTML file with some elements and open it.

Press F12.

Switch to "Elements" tab and select an element in the document HTML tree
on the left. On the right you should see the CSS rulesfor this element.

--
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https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Arno Welzel - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:39 UTC

Lewis:

> In message <j8mdlaFke1aU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> Lewis:
>
>>> In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> There is no "paragraph style".
>>>
>>> Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.
>
>> This is not a "style" - <p> is the *element* and it has some default
>> style propertites.
>
> There is a paragraph style, it is the style that is used with the <p>
> tag.

No - the other way around: paragraphs have styles.

>> But there is no CSS rule for "make it look like a <p> element"
>
> Of course there is.

No.

> This is the <p> style:
>
> display: block;
> margin: 1em 0 1em 0;

No - this is not "make me it like a <p> element". This is just, what it
says: use block layout and specific margins. And if <p> looks the same
like this style even depends on the browser.

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From: g.kr...@kreme.dont-email.me (Lewis)
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 by: Lewis - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 18:01 UTC

In message <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2203080947140.2172@kiboko2> Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> For example in Chromium based browsers:
>>
>> p {
>> display: block;
>> margin-block-start: 1em;
>> margin-block-end: 1em;
>> margin-inline-start: 0px;
>> margin-inline-end: 0px;
>> }

> What have I to do to see that? “use” the web developer tools is a bit fuzzy.

Depends on your browser and/or development environment, but the defaults
er specified in the w3 documentation, IIRC. Generally I can tell what
the default is for a tag, if there is one, just by having used the tag.
Perhaps not the exact values, but which styles it is setting (h tags use
bold, for example).

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 21:41 UTC

In message <j8pf60F7sb9U2@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Lewis:

>> In message <j8mdlaFke1aU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> Lewis:
>>
>>>> In message <j8kc3oF8gorU1@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>>> There is no "paragraph style".
>>>>
>>>> Sure there is. It is the styling that browsers apply to <p></p> blocks.
>>
>>> This is not a "style" - <p> is the *element* and it has some default
>>> style propertites.
>>
>> There is a paragraph style, it is the style that is used with the <p>
>> tag.

> No - the other way around: paragraphs have styles.

>>> But there is no CSS rule for "make it look like a <p> element"
>>
>> Of course there is.

> No.

>> This is the <p> style:
>>
>> display: block;
>> margin: 1em 0 1em 0;

> No - this is not "make me it like a <p> element". This is just, what it
> says: use block layout and specific margins. And if <p> looks the same
> like this style even depends on the browser.

Feel free to wallow in your willful ignorance. Good luck with that.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:16 UTC

Lewis:

> In message <j8pf60F7sb9U2@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>> Lewis:
[...]
>>> This is the <p> style:
>>>
>>> display: block;
>>> margin: 1em 0 1em 0;
>
>> No - this is not "make me it like a <p> element". This is just, what it
>> says: use block layout and specific margins. And if <p> looks the same
>> like this style even depends on the browser.
>
> Feel free to wallow in your willful ignorance. Good luck with that.

Same to you. You will no find any part in the specification of CSS which
defines "paragraph style".

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From: nob...@notme.invalid (David E. Ross)
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 by: David E. Ross - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:23 UTC

On 3/10/2022 9:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Lewis:
>
>> In message <j8pf60F7sb9U2@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>> Lewis:
> [...]
>>>> This is the <p> style:
>>>>
>>>> display: block;
>>>> margin: 1em 0 1em 0;
>>
>>> No - this is not "make me it like a <p> element". This is just, what it
>>> says: use block layout and specific margins. And if <p> looks the same
>>> like this style even depends on the browser.
>>
>> Feel free to wallow in your willful ignorance. Good luck with that.
>
> Same to you. You will no find any part in the specification of CSS which
> defines "paragraph style".

As cited earlier in this thread, each browser has its own default
paragraph "style", which is not in any CSS file, header element, or
element attribute. On SeaMonkey's menu bar, I can select [View > Use
Style > None] to view a Web page using only that browser's default
"styles".

Note that the HTML 4 and HTML 5 specifications do not indicate any style
for the <p> element. That is why the developers of each browser are
free to define a default "style" for <p>.

I use quotes above because the defaults are NOT CSS styles.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:17 UTC

David E. Ross:

> On 3/10/2022 9:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Lewis:
>>
>>> In message <j8pf60F7sb9U2@mid.individual.net> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> Lewis:
>> [...]
>>>>> This is the <p> style:
>>>>>
>>>>> display: block;
>>>>> margin: 1em 0 1em 0;
>>>
>>>> No - this is not "make me it like a <p> element". This is just, what it
>>>> says: use block layout and specific margins. And if <p> looks the same
>>>> like this style even depends on the browser.
>>>
>>> Feel free to wallow in your willful ignorance. Good luck with that.
>>
>> Same to you. You will no find any part in the specification of CSS which
>> defines "paragraph style".
>
> As cited earlier in this thread, each browser has its own default
> paragraph "style", which is not in any CSS file, header element, or

Yes - but this is not a "CSS paragraph style"! CSS does not care for
which element styles are used for and there is not CSS style "display:
paragraph" or similar.

> I use quotes above because the defaults are NOT CSS styles.

Correct - and this is all a talk about! Of course I *never* said, that
<p> elements don't have default styles!

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 by: Dale - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:48 UTC

On 3/6/2022 4:38 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> ... we can write
>
> <dl><dt>alpha</dt><dd><dl>
> <dt>beta</dt>
> <dd>text</dd></dl></dd></dl>
> ...

multiple tabs?

<br> in between?

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 by: David E. Ross - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 20:38 UTC

On 3/11/2022 9:48 AM, Dale wrote:
> On 3/6/2022 4:38 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>
>> ... we can write
>>
>> <dl><dt>alpha</dt><dd><dl>
>> <dt>beta</dt>
>> <dd>text</dd></dl></dd></dl>
>> ...
> multiple tabs?
>
> <br> in between?
>

Not tabs at all.

The element <dl> </dl> is for a list of definitions. The element <dt>
</dt> contains a term being defined. The element <dd> </dd> contains a
definition. To see an example, see my
<http://www.rossde.com/internet/intr_gloss.shtml>.

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 by: Dale - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 21:55 UTC

On 3/11/2022 3:38 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/11/2022 9:48 AM, Dale wrote:
>> On 3/6/2022 4:38 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>
>>> ... we can write
>>>
>>> <dl><dt>alpha</dt><dd><dl>
>>> <dt>beta</dt>
>>> <dd>text</dd></dl></dd></dl>
>>> ...
>> multiple tabs?
>>
>> <br> in between?
>>
>
> Not tabs at all.
>
> The element <dl> </dl> is for a list of definitions. The element <dt>
> </dt> contains a term being defined. The element <dd> </dd> contains a
> definition. To see an example, see my
> <http://www.rossde.com/internet/intr_gloss.shtml>.
>

Thank you.

I know how to use a style to text-align center, left, or right.

I'm looking for how to use tabs

within these I would like to use something like <br>

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