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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 17:43 UTC

Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it"
for the exciting brand new and quite distinct *YELLOW!!!!!!* iPhone?

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 by: Alan - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 18:16 UTC

On 2023-03-13 10:43, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it" for
> the exciting brand new and quite distinct *YELLOW!!!!!!* iPhone?

Still so triggered, Arlen?

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 21:17 UTC

On 2023-03-13, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-13 10:43, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Why does nospam NOT say "nobody wants it" nor that "nobody needs it"
>> for the exciting brand new and quite distinct *YELLOW!!!!!!* iPhone?
>
> Still so triggered, Arlen?

Apple lives in his mind rent free, 24/7.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 22:31 UTC

Jolly Roger wrote:

> Apple lives in his mind rent free

Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

Hence...
*It's a valid question of why this yellow color is both needed & wanted.*

In fact, the answer to the question revealingly points directly to...
*What kind of customer base does the iPhone product really appeal to?*

Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls are
not needed and nobody wants them, and when nospam has repeatedly claimed
that gps spoofing is not needed and nobody wants it, and that bigger and
perhaps even removable batteries are not needed and nobody wants them.

Heck, nospam has said that sd cards are not needed and nobody wants them,
and that FM radios are not needed and nobody wants them, and even that the
venerable 3.5mm standard connection jack is not needed & nobody wants it.

It must be observed that the color yellow is, apparently deeply needed.
And, it must be said the color yellow is apparently what everyone wants.

Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone wants it?
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HINT: Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 22:37 UTC

On 2023-03-13, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Apple lives in his mind rent free
>
> Apple
> this yellow color
> the color yellow
> the color yellow
> the color yellow

24/7 : )

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 by: nospam - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 22:58 UTC

In article <tuo87p$2l153$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls are
> not needed and nobody wants them,

i never said that. in fact i said the *opposite*.

the rest of your lies deleted.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 23:17 UTC

On 2023-03-13 15:31, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
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>> Apple lives in his mind rent free
>
> Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

As do almost all other companies.

Consumers like colour choices, Arelen.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 01:44 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls are
>> not needed and nobody wants them,
>
> i never said that. in fact i said the *opposite*.

What's more important is the salient observation you haven't yet claimed
that the *NEW! _yellow_ iPhone* is "not needed" and "not wanted", nospam.

Do you know why you think yellow iPhones are desperately needed & wanted?
I do.

HINT: You defend _everything_ Apple does, to the death. No matter what.
But you only have seven excuses for what you _hate_ about Apple products.
One of them is to claim anything Apple can't do is not needed & not wanted.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 02:13 UTC

On 2023-03-13 18:44, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> Hence, it's valid especially given nospam has often claimed firewalls
>>> are
>>> not needed and nobody wants them,
>>
>> i never said that. in fact i said the *opposite*.
>
> What's more important is the salient observation you haven't yet claimed
> that the *NEW! _yellow_ iPhone* is "not needed" and "not wanted", nospam.
>
> Do you know why you think yellow iPhones are desperately needed & wanted?
> I do.
>
> HINT: You defend _everything_ Apple does, to the death. No matter what.
> But you only have seven excuses for what you _hate_ about Apple products.
> One of them is to claim anything Apple can't do is not needed & not wanted.

I know you're not familiar with this term:

"false dichotomy".

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 by: fos...@sdf.org - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:05 UTC

On 2023-03-13, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Apple lives in his mind rent free

> Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.

> Hence...
> *It's a valid question of why this yellow color is both needed & wanted.*

> In fact, the answer to the question revealingly points directly to...

> *What kind of customer base does the iPhone product really appeal to?*

> Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone wants it?

the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder coated
aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina from
corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like sort
of a steampunk look. :)

--
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That which does not kill you makes you stranger.
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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:33 UTC

On 2023-03-14 09:05, fos@sdf.org wrote:

> i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder coated
> aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina from
> corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like sort
> of a steampunk look. :)

Could be cool. Hmm, put it in a pressure chamber at a couple bar with
high O2 and get the 'look' quicker?

--
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danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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 by: Jolly Roger - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:11 UTC

On 2023-03-14, fos@sdf.org <fos@sdf.org> wrote:
> On 2023-03-13, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Apple lives in his mind rent free
>
>> Apple knows better than anyone what its customer base cares about.
>
>> Hence... *It's a valid question of why this yellow color is both
>> needed & wanted.*
>
>> In fact, the answer to the question revealingly points directly to...
>
>> *What kind of customer base does the iPhone product really appeal
>> to?*
>
>> Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone
>> wants it?
>
> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

He's sealioning, not asking genuine questions.

> i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder
> coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina
> from corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like
> sort of a steampunk look. :)

That would be cool.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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 by: Nic - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:40 UTC

fos@sdf.org wrote:

>> Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone wants it?
>
> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.

I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

> i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder coated
> aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina from
> corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas. like sort
> of a steampunk look. :)

It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they do.

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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:57 UTC

On 2023-03-14 11:40, Nic wrote:
> fos@sdf.org wrote:

>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
>> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>
> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.

People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

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- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
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On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
>>> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>>
>> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.
>
> People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".

Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.

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 by: Wilf - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:39 UTC

On 14/03/2023 at 16:26, RJH wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
>>>> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.
>>
>> People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".
>
> Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
> decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.
>

Personally, I think it's reasonable for a manufacturer to decide on
colours, hopefully based on known customer likes and dislikes. But if
you want an iPhone (or any other phone) which is pink with purple and
green dots, say, then just buy the appropriate cover.
--
Wilf

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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:40 UTC

On 2023-03-14 12:26, RJH wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
>>>> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not needed.
>>
>> People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".
>
> Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
> decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.

Context. Indeed Apple make their design and marketing choices, and push
them. That is, hmm let me look it up .... oh, yeah, got it: Their job.

The degree to which this is "informed" by studying the market, tastes,
trends, desires, histories, forecasts, etc. is part of ... hang, on I
have to look this up ... ah yeah, of course: market research. Which in
turn relies on internal and external inputs. Apple's market research
arm is both large and very, very talented.

How Apple filter the results and make such a design choice is up to them
and there is no guarantee it is "right" or will bear the hoped for fruit.

What I find odd in this is that there was only one colour offered up -
Would have thought 3 or 4 would make more sense. But they had their
reasons - and no need to offer those up.

IAC: Apple are not forcing anyone to buy it - but they have a duty to
themselves and shareholders to push it.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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 by: nospam - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:01 UTC

In article <tuq77n$dlba$1@dont-email.me>, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
wrote:

>
> Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
> decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the customer.

nobody ever said that, liar.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:09 UTC

On 2023-03-14, RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black
>>>> because that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
>>> needed.
>>
>> People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".
>
> Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple alone
> decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the
> customer.

You are disingenuous and lying as always. What has _actually_ been said
is that Apple knows better than you what their customers want. And
that's true. Apple has a better idea of what does and doesn't sell well
with their own customers than any troll on Usenet.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Jolly Roger - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:11 UTC

On 2023-03-14, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
> fos@sdf.org wrote:
>
>>> Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone
>>> wants it?
>>
>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
>> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>
> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
> needed.
>
>> i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder
>> coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina
>> from corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas.
>> like sort of a steampunk look. :)
>
> It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they
> do.

"OnLy ReLiGiOuS fAnAtIcS hAvE cOlOr PrEfErEnCeS, gUyS! #IAmVerySmart"

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: badgolferman - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:34 UTC

Alan Browne wrote:

>On 2023-03-14 12:26, RJH wrote:
>>On 14 Mar 2023 at 3:57:33 PM, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>wrote:
>>>>>the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black
>>>>>because that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a
>>>>>reason.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
>>>>needed.
>>>
>>>People have preferences for colour whether or not it's "needed".
>>
>>Maybe you've haven't seen the many nospam posts declaring Apple
>>alone decides what's wanted and what's needed on an iPhone, not the
>>customer.
>
>Context. Indeed Apple make their design and marketing choices, and
>push them. That is, hmm let me look it up .... oh, yeah, got it:
>Their job.
>
>The degree to which this is "informed" by studying the market,
>tastes, trends, desires, histories, forecasts, etc. is part of ...
>hang, on I have to look this up ... ah yeah, of course: market
>research. Which in turn relies on internal and external inputs.
>Apple's market research arm is both large and very, very talented.
>
>How Apple filter the results and make such a design choice is up to
>them and there is no guarantee it is "right" or will bear the hoped
>for fruit.
>
>What I find odd in this is that there was only one colour offered up
>- Would have thought 3 or 4 would make more sense. But they had
>their reasons - and no need to offer those up.
>
>IAC: Apple are not forcing anyone to buy it - but they have a duty to
>themselves and shareholders to push it.

How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
trick question.

I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone
functionally. Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

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 by: Nic - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:39 UTC

Jolly Roger wrote:

> "OnLy ReLiGiOuS fAnAtIcS hAvE cOlOr PrEfErEnCeS, gUyS!
> #IAmVerySmart"

You whooshed completely that the excuse nospam uses has nothing to do with
the color on the phone but what's *inside* the phone that really matters.

You and nospam can't see what's *inside* the iPhone.
All either one of you can see is only the meaningless color on the outside.

Apple knows it's the only thing that matters to people like you & nospam.

If you notice what nospam says, you'd realize nospam always uses the tired
excuse that any given feature inside the phone that Apple can't figure out
how to implement is by nospam's excuses "not needed" & "nobody wants it."

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 by: Jolly Roger - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:22 UTC

On 2023-03-14, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> "OnLy ReLiGiOuS fAnAtIcS hAvE cOlOr PrEfErEnCeS, gUyS!
>> #IAmVerySmart"
>
> You whooshed completely that the excuse nospam uses

You're the one who whooshed, trollboi. There is *no* mention of nospam
in the post of yours to which I replied - and that's why you have
deleted quoted material from your latest post, as if you think that
doing so will hide this fact. It won't. Here's what you actually said,
you pathetic lying little weasel:

On 2023-03-14, Nic <Nic@none.net> wrote:
> fos@sdf.org wrote:
>
>>> Why is it that the color yellow is desperately needed & everyone
>>> wants it?
>>
>> the same questions can be asked for any color. mine is black because
>> that's what i wanted. there doesn't need to be a reason.
>
> I don't think it's about the color since any given color is not
> needed.
>
>> i'd prefer a bare metal iPhone made from copper instead of powder
>> coated aluminum. it would tarnish on some areas, have a green patina
>> from corrosion on others, and be bare copper metal on wear areas.
>> like sort of a steampunk look. :)
>
> It's about religious fanatics on only Apple ng's who act the way they
> do.

Lies and weak trolls are all you have, shithead. It's sad.

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On 2023-03-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
> the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not
> a trick question.

It's also not very interesting or relevant.

> I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
> because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
> model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone
> functionally. Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
> offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

So what? Many companies release products with new colors or options mid
cycle. This is nothing new - yet because Apple did it this one time, you
and your little weak trollboi cohort decided to troll about it because
Apple: BAD. The fact that you people are *this* upset by something so
trivial, and spending literal *days* trolling about it says a whole lot
about your psychological constitution - and it's pretty pathetic. ; )

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On 2023-03-14 13:34, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:

>> What I find odd in this is that there was only one colour offered up
>> - Would have thought 3 or 4 would make more sense. But they had
>> their reasons - and no need to offer those up.
>>
>> IAC: Apple are not forcing anyone to buy it - but they have a duty to
>> themselves and shareholders to push it.
>
>
> How often do new colors get introduced after the initial offering of
> the new model? I don't know the answer to this question and it's not a
> trick question.

I don't recall specifically, but it seems in the past they have offered
a mid term color upgrade of more than 1 colour on various products. Not
something I get very worked up about as it is deep in my "so what?" zone.

> I think the main reason people are scoffing at the yellow iPhone is
> because Apple has released a new color six(?) months after the new
> model was released without making any actual improvements to the phone
> functionally. Releasing a new color for the device after the initial
> offering is clearly a marketing ploy to lift sales figures.

Let them scoff. And yes, Apple management has a duty to the company and
even those pesky shareholders to lift sales figures.

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