The iKooks Alan Browne and nospam and Jolly Roger all just recently claimed
there is no such thing as the well-known obvious Apple walled garden.

And yet, nothing they espouse works outside that very same walled garden.

The whole world is well aware of the Apple Walled Garden... except them.
What kind of person are they? That's not normal.

Think of iKooks as being low-class IQ 50 thugs with no teeth, no morals & no education.

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> The iKooks Alan Browne and nospam and Jolly Roger all just recently
> claimed
> there is no such thing as the well-known obvious Apple walled garden.
>
> And yet, nothing they espouse works outside that very same walled
> garden.
>
> The whole world is well aware of the Apple Walled Garden... except
> them.
> What kind of person are they? That's not normal.
>
> Think of iKooks as being low-class IQ 50 thugs with no teeth, no
> morals & no education.

And *NO* books!

On 17 Mar 2023 at 9:53:52 PM, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Think of iKooks as being low-class IQ 50 thugs with no teeth, no
>> morals & no education.
>
> And *NO* books!

good one!
--
Cheers, Rob

Jolly Roger wrote:

> calling them iKooks

Actually, I used to refer to you strange abnormal people as "apologists".

But then I realized that you are like religious zealots who viciously
attack anyone who mentions Mohammad [sic] and then wants to kill them.

No matter what you strangely abnormal people are called, you're the same
as this guy, where you use Apple to build your lack of native self esteem.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

a. Your whole life people have told you that you are stupid
b. Yet, Apple loves you (like nobody ever did)
c. So you flock to Apple's religious messaging

Without even once reading a newspaper or realizing that your entire belief
system about Apple products is based only on Apple's (clever) messaging.

Just like religious zealots do, your entire belief system is imaginary.
*And, that's why you _fear_ facts so much*, Jolly Roger.

You fear facts.
And you fear the messenger of facts.

The main reason you hate me is because you have no defense to the facts.
So be it.

My goal on this newsgroup is to learn and disseminate information, and,
to prove to the world what kind of strange people you really are, JR.

Alan Browne wrote:

>> flight software written in visual basic on windows but to run on a mac
>> does not sound ideal.
>
> Of course he can't "delve" into it. The idiot is bloviating.

I've studied these iKooks (like Alan Browne) for years.

Both badgolferman and I outlined real world experiences in highly
competitive difficult technical environments...

And what I find always the case, is these (let's be clear) wholly
uneducated iKooks, like nospam & Alan Browne, deprecate our statements.

Based on what?
Obviously based on absolutely nothing.

You have to understand _why_ Alan Browne & nospam are iKooks...
a. All iKooks are uneducated (they all have substandard IQs)
b. As as result of having been told their whole lives that they're
stupid, all iKooks suffer from a severe lack of self esteem
c. Hence, all iKooks use the marketing messaging from Apple
to artificially bolster their sense of self worth

Note the observation that these iKooks literally _gloat_ about
Apple ripping them off (e.g., Apple's ungodly profit margins).

You can't make those ungodly profit margins off an intelligent consumer.

The point is these iKooks fall for every Apple marketing trick in the book
_because_ Apple (very cleverly) makes these iKooks _feel_ stylish.

<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/03/hello-yellow-apple-introduces-new-iphone-14-and-iphone-14-plus/>

Even a ridiculous _yellow_ gimmick makes these iKooks _feel_ stylish!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S8L7t2tu0U>

Hell, even 21 new emojis being the number one functionality Apple was able
to build into the latest iOS 16.4 release makes these iKooks feel stylish!
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213407>

What the adults on this newsgroup need to realize is the iKooks are stunted
at a subnormal level of maturity (just watch how they respond to facts).

The iKooks are smitten, in a Jim Jones' kind of way, with the "supposed
superiority" of "their chosen platform" over all other common platforms.

Even as the iPhone, for example, has, by far, the most zero-day holes in
history (for many years running), and even though the archaic stone-age
primitive iOS monolithic update mechanism causes _half_ of those zero-days
to be exploited in the wild... the iKooks hold on to the only thing left.

Marketing messaging.

Apple Marketing is _brilliant_ at feeding these iKooks _exactly_ what they
want to hear to the point that even though there is zero useful
functionality on an iPhone outside the walled garden that isn't already
(usually years ago) on Android, the iKooks don't know any of that.

The iKooks don't know facts.
Like religious fanatics, their entire belief system is purely imaginary.

These iKooks have _never_ opened up a newspaper in their life, or read the
news, or even researched anything - they get all their "facts" from Apple
marketing brochures - they lap it up like this guy would for self esteem.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Which... let's be clear as this is _why_ Alan Browne said what he said...

Which is why the iKooks _fear_ facts.
Worse, as Alan Browne clearly evidenced in his response... the iKooks fear
anyone who has the capacity to bear facts.

Facts the iKooks won't like.
Facts, the iKooks consider dangerous.

Facts, you see... mere facts... are a dangerous weapon to iKooks.

Which is why they must deflect, deny, insult, and childishly change the
subject _away_ from facts whenever facts are pointed out to the iKooks.

A clear example of how much iKooks _hate_ and _fear_ facts is when you ask
them a simply question of functionality, such as why hasn't Apple ever made
a design that wasn't fatally flawed (e.g., the M1/M1 flaws, or the Ax
flaws, or the unpatchable flaws in the so-called "secure" enclave).

A classic example of how much the iKooks _hate_ facts is to ask them if the
iPhone can do something simple - say - oh - like graphically display real
time wi-fi signal strength for all access points in the vicinity perhaps.

2-1/2 minute Snit video purportedly detailing iOS showing Wi-Fi over time
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!

REFERENCE: Oct 10, 2017, 8:50:05 AM
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

That is how ignorant these iKooks are when defending their beloved God.

They constantly brazenly claim iPhone functionality that simply doesn't
exist, only because they _hate_ that they have no other response to fact.

Notice Snit (and the iKooks) are so unfathomably incredibly ignorant, that
they not only brazenly fabricated imaginary functionality for the iPhone,
but in doing so, they showed none of them knows a decibel from a megabit!

They don't understand _why_ Apple products will _always_ pale in
functionality compared to adult operating systems, where the reasons are
obvious to all who _understand_ Apple's walled-garden business model.

Take Android, for example, which can do so many useful things that the
iPhone can never do that it's not funny - and I'm not talking about all the
hardware Apple decontented so that Apple could force users into making
choices more to Apple's walled-garden liking when I say that.

Android has functionality that even Google can't stop, such as NewPipe FOSS
YouTube clients, or Aurora FOSS Google Play Store clients, or FairEmail
FOSS GMail replacement clients, or NetGuard FOSS non-root ad blocking and
firewalling, etc.

It's not that Google doesn't _want_ to stop them.
Google does want to stop them.

That's why _none_ of them are in the Google Play Store repository.
But the fact is that Google can't stop them.

And that's the point.
*Apple severely restricts what apps can do; Google can't.*

For example, that's why Android has useful functionality such as mock
location spoofing, automatic call recording, system-wide firewalls, ability
to set any defaults, non-webkit-based browsers such as the Tor Browser
(where iOS can't achieve that level of privacy), graphical cellular signal
strength debuggers, app launchers that allow you to change any app's icon
and name and location and visibility, etc.

The Apple products will _never_ have the functionality of the adult
operating systems simply because of one fact and one fact only.

*Apple restricts what the apps can do; Google/Microsoft can't*

In summary, Alan Browne said badgolferman's adult comments were
"bloviating" but that's like a dog saying people talking is bloviating.

Alan Browne is an iKook. These iKooks don't own adult mental capacity.
Every fact told to iKooks outside a marketing video... is "bloviating".

Having gone to the best schools in the country, I've never personally met
people like these low-IQ ignorant iKooks - but nospam & Jolly Roger & Snit
& Alan Browne & Lewis & Bob Campbell & Wilt & Alan Baker prove they exist.
--
It's the iKooks alone who turn all Apple newsgroups into childish drivel.

Helmut Achterberg wrote:

> Apple does one thing very well. Their devices all work well with each other and as long as you
> remain in the Apple garden all is well.
> Android offers far more flexibility though.

I will agree with any sensibly logical point of view, particularly when it's
backed up with actual facts. Within the walled garden, Apple devices work
exceptionally well, as Helmut Achterberg opined above.

I agree fully with Helmut.
I never disagree with a logically sensible fact-based viewpoint.

> I have an Apple iPhone and Apple watch and they work very well.

Half my devices are Apple devices also, Helmut.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYvqdxCT/vysor35.jpg> iOS & Android PC mirroring

But I care about cross platform compatibility.
<https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg> Over Wi-Fi on your home LAN

That's one thing Apple devices suck at (well, except with Linux iFuse!).

<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS

<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

Need I explain or do you understand?

Always speaking of unrooted/non-jailbroken devices...

A simple example, is connect an iPhone and an Android phone to a native
Windows PC and then copy any file you want to from that Android phone
(even on the system partition such as the Android hosts file!) to9 Windows,
and then copy any file on Windows over to the read/write partitions on the device.

Which works and which does not work?

HINT: iTunes _removes_ functionality!
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality

> I also have an Android and it too
> works well, but it's a Google Pixel phone which comes without all the manufacturer spam programs on
> it like others do.

You can delete all of that, Helmut, quite easily.
*Remove Google Apps from Android?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/7qLXTRuzHCU>

And please, don't pull an iKook trick by saying that's just a link to
a Usenet thread. Read the fuckin' thread and look at the references!

Note if you're intelligent, you can even get ladb for free, which means
you can delete any app you want off of Android without being root and
without using a desktop computer to do it (using local adb).

*How to use "local" adb wireless-debugging ladb to spoof a PC connection*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/bbVGa-X3Xq4>

> One thing I do notice is that the Apple forums are loaded with fan boys who deny any problem and
> blame the user. Most don't seem to know what they are doing. And in the official Apple fora if you
> say the wrong thing you get banned.

That you got right.
You have to understand why they do that.

They all suffer not only from a low IQ and no education, but as a result
they lack self esteem so they use Apple's supposedly superior product
to "elevate" their stature in the slums that they actually live in.

I'm being colorful, but essentially they have a gold tooth and a
fancy watch and expensive clothes to make up for their lack of
self esteem, which is why they do almost everything they do.

You can tell they're this way when they literally gloat about how
much money Apple makes off of them in profit margins alone, as if
that's some kind of badge of honor that they "selected" the most
profitable company on the planet (as if that's a good thing).

They don't realize Apple couldn't make that ungodly profit margin
off of intelligent people, and they don't even realize Apple's R&D
by percentage is always the lowest (yes, the lowest) of all similar
high tech companies.

Think about that.

If Apple isn't spending any money on R&D, what are they spending it on?
HINT: Marketing.

> Android users are more friendly and at least in my experience have better technical ability.

I'm on the Windows, Android and iOS newsgroups because those
are the platforms I have.

The ignorant iKooks only exist on teh child-like Apple newsgroups.
They get their head handed to them on the adult OS newsgroups

> In Apple's favor is that applications I have on both phones seem to run better on iPhone.
> Waze for example.

Nothing wrong with Waze, but I don't log into anything, so Waze is not for me.
(I don't even have a google account on my phone, for privacy reasons.)

*A free privacy aware road map (driving/routing/address/poi/traffic) use model for Android & for iOS*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/iPbKfJ3N7m0/m/OjnRDSr_CQAJ>

> Both are quality products but appeal to a different user base.
> Use what works for you or me and leave it at that.

There is only one major problem with that sentiment, and it's the
fact that iOS can't do "stuff" that I want a phone to do.

Stuff like spoofing my GPS location, or stuff like sideloading,
or stuff like automatic call recording, or stuff like graphical
wi-Fi debugging, or stuff like on-device firewalls, or stuff like
organizing my homescreen the way I want to, or stuff like
installing apks from one phone to any other phone, etc.

The point is that there is nothing on iOS that Android doesn't a
already do (all by it's itty bitty self - outside the walled garden),
and yet, there is a ton of good "stuff" that Android does that iOS
can't do.

*Is iOS crippled? Please name a single useful iOS app functionality not on Android*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/QHOBKn2FBZw/m/ooDfzLruAgAJ>

If you don't need to do anything but play games and make phone
calls, then, sure, iOS does that as well or better than Android.
--
Notice it's a FACT there is tons of useful "stuff" that the
iPhone just can't do; whether or not that means it's "crippled"
is simply an assessment of that fact. The iKooks can't tell them apart.

rbowman wrote:

>> Name a single thing that Paint.NET does better than Photoshop.
>
> "for what I do" I don't have a need to use either but that is the vital
> question.

Hi rbowman,
You've helped me _many_ (many!) times over on a.h.r, so I will assume
that's a faithful question, where you have to agree first that Alan Baker
is an utter moron.

Alan Baker has an IQ of about 40 (which is my assessment),and hence, he
can't tell the difference between a fact and an assessment of fact.

If you click on none of the links I provide below to back up my assessments
of fact, just click on this one links showing Alan Baker to be an imbecile.
*Why are apologists like Alan Baker so fantastically immune*
*to basics skills an adult should have on the Internet?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/4AdaprOPM-g/>

It's not so much that these iKooks like Alan Baker & Alan Browne are
imbeciles, but that they dispute facts that NOBODY would dispute.

Only a fool disputes facts.
The iKooks are fools.

I've never met people _that_ stupid as these iKooks in my entire life.

You have to think of the iKooks as like this guy, rbowman.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

They all have the same traits of low iq, no education, & no self esteem.
*Think of iKooks as being low-class IQ 50 thugs with no teeth, no morals &
no education*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/paOrAtV36O4/m/Fl2lcOfpCAAJ>

They're all substandard humans.
Completely unprepossessing meaningless components of society.
No smarter than your pet.

Like your pet, iKooks are incapable of clicking on any reference link.
They only use references to piss on, just like your pet would do.

Their ignorance actually knows no normal bounds, rbowman.
*I just proved, beyond any doubt, how shockingly ignorant the iKooks are
about what Apple does*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/bAazzW5DbZo/m/YmLhfsrvAwAJ>

What he does, all day, every day, 24 hours a day, is take people's
opinions, dispute them, without offing any facts ever, and then he asks
them to prove their opinions.

This is impossible because opinions are based on facts but with different
weights placed on those facts - none of which are eminantly "provable".

That Joel found Paint.NET rather good, and that I've tested _every_ free
app out there for editing that was ever suggested on Windows, says a lot
when I say that Paint.NET is pretty good. Does it not?

Or are you claiming, like Alan Baker does, that everything anyone ever
states (except Alan Baker, of course) is a lie, even as Alan backs up
nothing.

Remember Snit tried that with me?
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!

Remember nospam and Jolly Roger tried that with me?
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

If I say a fact is a fact, then it's a fact given in decades of posting on
Usenet nobody has ever found my facts to be wrong (1).

What the idiot iKooks argue endlessly is not only the facts, but the
assessment of those facts (which is why they're idiot iKooks).

For example, this is a fact.
Apple advertised the iPhone 14 comes in a new exciting bold yellow color.
This is another fact.
Apple lists first 21 new emoji when describing the iOS 16.4 release.

Those are just facts, right?
Only a fool would dispute those facts (or an iKook, same as a fool).

You have to understand not a single iKooks has a normal IQ.
When you read this thread, you'll realize Alan Baker's IQ is half normal.

Now, to your question.
Which, by the way, was already answered about half a dozen times already.

I've tested Photoshop for the three key things I care about most
which I have already said are not done well on most image editors

a. Texting
b. Curved arrows
c. Drawing boxes

Most programs do them horribly (e.g., Joel knows this with The GIMP but
even the venerable Irfanview does them poorly, as do most image editors).

The definition of poorly is it takes too many steps for something that
should be a single step, and then another minor step to adjust.

That's it. "Draw & adjust"

No drawing the text box first - that's just stupid.
No expanding that text box if you go out of bounds.
If you want to move it, you just move it.
If you want to change the font in the middle of texting, you change it.
Same with size and all sorts of other text things (like italics or bold).
You draw and then adjust if necessary. One step. Max two.

That's it. "Draw & adjust". Two steps. Max.

Same thing with curved arrows.
You start click and end click and you adjust to curve around stuff.
If you want to make it dotted, you set that while you're doing it.
If you want to change the end shapes while you're doing it, you do that.
If you want to adjust the curve, you move it around while you're doing it.
If you want to change the width or the color (or whatever), you do that.
That's it. "Draw & adjust". Two steps. Max.

Same with boxes around things, such as empty boxes to highlight stuff.
That's it. "Draw & adjust". Two steps. Max.

If you look at my threads, you'll see millions of examples because I don't
make this stuff up. The iKooks make everything up. They're idiots.
<https://i.postimg.cc/tgvzsMRm/scrcpy25.jpg> Connect over Wi-Fi sans USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: === Android
<https://i.postimg.cc/g2yNftw0/scrcpy15.jpg> Trick to pin batch shortcut

I'm extremely well educated. None of them can earn a high school diploma.

I back up my claims but there's no way to prove to an iKook like Alan Baker
or Alan Browne that the walled garden doesn't exist when they own an iQ of
40. It's not possible. They think the walled garden never existed.

How are you going to prove anything to anyone who is that stupid?
Especially an assessment of facts when they don't even agree on facts.
Only fools don't agree on facts. All the iKooks are fools.
--
You can't make those ungodly profit margins off an intelligent customer.

On 2023-04-06 15:58, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>>> Name a single thing that Paint.NET does better than Photoshop.
>>
>> "for what I do"   I don't have a need to use either but that is the
>> vital question.
>
> Hi rbowman,
> You've helped me _many_ (many!) times over on a.h.r, so I will assume
> that's a faithful question, where you have to agree first that Alan Baker
> is an utter moron.
>
> Alan Baker has an IQ of about 40 (which is my assessment),and hence, he
> can't tell the difference between a fact and an assessment of fact.

Do you have any idea what the actual capacities of someone with an IQ of
40 would be, Arlen?

Obviously not.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

>> There isn't anyone intelligent in racing circuits who doesn't know the
>> significance of the catenary in terms of teaching basic racing skills.
>
> I�m not a racer, but I would guess it has something to do with calculating
> how to enter and exit a curve. As a motorcycle rider there are some very
> fine points of curve management one must learn to handle their bike safely.

Hi badgolferman,

This is a seminal discussion which shows what the iKooks really are.

Exactly. This is why I've never considered you (or Ant or Steve, et al.) an
iKook but why _everyone_ knows that Alan Baker, for one, is an iKook.

You have the cognitive ability to comprehend that physical forces are the
same in all directions, particularly the forces that suspend a bridge are
the same forces that act upon a motorcycle navigating a curve at speed.

As an aside (owning a K1200 myself as I believe you have a Gold Wing), it
mostly applies in racing circuits (as the real world has opposing traffic).

It's likely that Alan Baker, even after furiously searching for the
definition, found mostly equidistant suspension bridging references, and
yet, since he lacks any education in Calculus or Physics, he can't relate
the vertical directional forces with the same horizontally directed forces.

Worse, while he claims to own a BMW, he's ignorant of the most basic of the
terms used for bimmers and beemers alike, which means his mind is on off.

Likewise, he claims to "teach racing" and yet he's likely never heard of a
catenary, which, let's be clear, would be discussed in any racing circuit
(other than straight-line drag racing perhaps, as no curves are involved).

*How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*

The point of bringing up the catenary or the metric tensor or Christoffel
symbols or even Dunning Kruger effects isn't so much what they are - but
that the iKooks are ignorant of them and yet they form strong opinions.

Jolly Roger thinks he's an iKook because "we disagree" but that's yet
another trait of the iKook to completely misunderstand the obvious.

He's an iKook not because we disagree - but because he strongly believes in
things which he's completely ignorant of - for example, Jolly Roger
repeatedly claims Apple fully patches older releases - when Apple doesn't.

Sure. We disagree. But my disagreement is based on Apple's own words.
His belief system is based on absolutely no facts whatsoever that matter.

Apple says they do not fully patch older releases.
Jolly Roger says they do.
In fact, he's sure of it.

Simply because Apple fixed a bug or two in an older release.
That's full "proof" to Jolly Roger that Apple fully patches older releases!

No fact can or will sway Jolly Roger from his purely imaginary beliefs.

*How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*

Not only do the iKooks lack that cognitive ability, badgolferman, but they
form strong opinions that all science is "dubious" simply because they
a. are ignorant of it...
b. because they're uneducated...
c. as a result of their low IQ

It's why the iKooks can't put together that Apple's variant excuses for
removing basic functionality is because Apple wants to them to buy it back.

Instead of putting things together, as you just did (and as most normal
adults would do), they accept Apple's individual explanations (e.g., "it's
courageous") because it's much simpler for them to accept a direct excuse.

The whole point of this thread is to point out what iKooks really are.

My main point about the iKooks is simply that they form strong opinions
about things that they spend absolutely no energy actually understanding.

Alan Browne, for example, repeatedly claims there is no walled garden
simply because he's completely ignorant that he's logging into it.

*How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*

This is a classic Dunning-Kruger first quartile trait, where they are so
confident of their assessments that they don't realize how wrong they are.

It's what I'm trying to patiently explain to Hemidactylus, who deprecated
the Dunning-Kruger graphs, where I fit into those same graphs as do you.

The difference is that I _understand_ what Dunning-Kruger papers explained.

It's the same with the catenary where, by now, Alan Baker has probably
furiously googled enough to find that it's a well-taught well-discussed
term in racing (particularly in motorcycle racing, as you've surmised).

Yet, he's likely never heard of it nor, more importantly, since ignorance
can be cured, he doesn't understand that it's an extremely important fact.

Just as nospam can't stand that he was ignorant that iOS doesn't have any
app store apps that graphically show wi-fi signal strength over time,
they'll make a childish kindergarten excuse for why they lack knowledge.

In nospam's case, that childish excuse is he'll repeatedly claim that apps
exist - and yet - when asked to "name just one" - he's never once named it.

*How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*

It's the same with Hemidactylus claiming the D-K is a weapon when everyone
fits into the D-K graphs - yes - everyone - including you and including me.

*How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*

The iKooks don't even realize _why_ they're iKooks, badgolferman.

But they prove it whenever the only way they can deal with facts that
they're ignorant of, like Alan Browne did, is to call people an 'it'.

Do you know why Alan Browne calls people dealing with facts an 'it'?
I do.

HINT: If he negates the person, he feels he's negated all the facts too.
--
How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?

On 2023-12-22 09:12, Wally J wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> There isn't anyone intelligent in racing circuits who doesn't know the
>>> significance of the catenary in terms of teaching basic racing skills.
>>
>> I▌ not a racer, but I would guess it has something to do with calculating
>> how to enter and exit a curve. As a motorcycle rider there are some very
>> fine points of curve management one must learn to handle their bike safely.
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> This is a seminal discussion which shows what the iKooks really are.
>
> Exactly. This is why I've never considered you (or Ant or Steve, et al.) an
> iKook but why _everyone_ knows that Alan Baker, for one, is an iKook.
>
> You have the cognitive ability to comprehend that physical forces are the
> same in all directions, particularly the forces that suspend a bridge are
> the same forces that act upon a motorcycle navigating a curve at speed.
>
> As an aside (owning a K1200 myself as I believe you have a Gold Wing), it
> mostly applies in racing circuits (as the real world has opposing traffic).
>
> It's likely that Alan Baker, even after furiously searching for the
> definition, found mostly equidistant suspension bridging references, and
> yet, since he lacks any education in Calculus or Physics, he can't relate
> the vertical directional forces with the same horizontally directed forces.

LOL!

I know precisely what a catenary is.

>
> Worse, while he claims to own a BMW, he's ignorant of the most basic of the
> terms used for bimmers and beemers alike, which means his mind is on off.

I DO own a BMW.

>
> Likewise, he claims to "teach racing" and yet he's likely never heard of a
> catenary, which, let's be clear, would be discussed in any racing circuit
> (other than straight-line drag racing perhaps, as no curves are involved).

Sorry, but the line for a car going through a corner is not described by
a catenary.

>
> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>
> The point of bringing up the catenary or the metric tensor or Christoffel
> symbols or even Dunning Kruger effects isn't so much what they are - but
> that the iKooks are ignorant of them and yet they form strong opinions.
>
> Jolly Roger thinks he's an iKook because "we disagree" but that's yet
> another trait of the iKook to completely misunderstand the obvious.
>
> He's an iKook not because we disagree - but because he strongly believes in
> things which he's completely ignorant of - for example, Jolly Roger
> repeatedly claims Apple fully patches older releases - when Apple doesn't.
>
> Sure. We disagree. But my disagreement is based on Apple's own words.
> His belief system is based on absolutely no facts whatsoever that matter.
>
> Apple says they do not fully patch older releases.
> Jolly Roger says they do.
> In fact, he's sure of it.
>
> Simply because Apple fixed a bug or two in an older release.
> That's full "proof" to Jolly Roger that Apple fully patches older releases!
>
> No fact can or will sway Jolly Roger from his purely imaginary beliefs.
>
> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>
> Not only do the iKooks lack that cognitive ability, badgolferman, but they
> form strong opinions that all science is "dubious" simply because they
> a. are ignorant of it...
> b. because they're uneducated...
> c. as a result of their low IQ
>
> It's why the iKooks can't put together that Apple's variant excuses for
> removing basic functionality is because Apple wants to them to buy it back.
>
> Instead of putting things together, as you just did (and as most normal
> adults would do), they accept Apple's individual explanations (e.g., "it's
> courageous") because it's much simpler for them to accept a direct excuse.
>
> The whole point of this thread is to point out what iKooks really are.
>
> My main point about the iKooks is simply that they form strong opinions
> about things that they spend absolutely no energy actually understanding.
>
> Alan Browne, for example, repeatedly claims there is no walled garden
> simply because he's completely ignorant that he's logging into it.
>
> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>
> This is a classic Dunning-Kruger first quartile trait, where they are so
> confident of their assessments that they don't realize how wrong they are.
>
> It's what I'm trying to patiently explain to Hemidactylus, who deprecated
> the Dunning-Kruger graphs, where I fit into those same graphs as do you.
>
> The difference is that I _understand_ what Dunning-Kruger papers explained.
>
> It's the same with the catenary where, by now, Alan Baker has probably
> furiously googled enough to find that it's a well-taught well-discussed
> term in racing (particularly in motorcycle racing, as you've surmised).
>
> Yet, he's likely never heard of it nor, more importantly, since ignorance
> can be cured, he doesn't understand that it's an extremely important fact.
>
> Just as nospam can't stand that he was ignorant that iOS doesn't have any
> app store apps that graphically show wi-fi signal strength over time,
> they'll make a childish kindergarten excuse for why they lack knowledge.
>
> In nospam's case, that childish excuse is he'll repeatedly claim that apps
> exist - and yet - when asked to "name just one" - he's never once named it.
>
> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>
> It's the same with Hemidactylus claiming the D-K is a weapon when everyone
> fits into the D-K graphs - yes - everyone - including you and including me.
>
> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>
> The iKooks don't even realize _why_ they're iKooks, badgolferman.
>
> But they prove it whenever the only way they can deal with facts that
> they're ignorant of, like Alan Browne did, is to call people an 'it'.
>
> Do you know why Alan Browne calls people dealing with facts an 'it'?
> I do.
>
> HINT: If he negates the person, he feels he's negated all the facts too.

You do yammer on, don't you?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-22 09:12, Wally J wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> There isn't anyone intelligent in racing circuits who doesn't know the
>>>> significance of the catenary in terms of teaching basic racing skills.
>>>
>>> I▌ not a racer, but I would guess it has something to do with calculating
>>> how to enter and exit a curve. As a motorcycle rider there are some very
>>> fine points of curve management one must learn to handle their bike safely.
>>
>> Hi badgolferman,
>>
>> This is a seminal discussion which shows what the iKooks really are.
>>
>> Exactly. This is why I've never considered you (or Ant or Steve, et al.) an
>> iKook but why _everyone_ knows that Alan Baker, for one, is an iKook.
>>
>> You have the cognitive ability to comprehend that physical forces are the
>> same in all directions, particularly the forces that suspend a bridge are
>> the same forces that act upon a motorcycle navigating a curve at speed.
>>
>> As an aside (owning a K1200 myself as I believe you have a Gold Wing), it
>> mostly applies in racing circuits (as the real world has opposing traffic).
>>
>> It's likely that Alan Baker, even after furiously searching for the
>> definition, found mostly equidistant suspension bridging references, and
>> yet, since he lacks any education in Calculus or Physics, he can't relate
>> the vertical directional forces with the same horizontally directed forces.
>
> LOL!
>
> I know precisely what a catenary is.
>
>>
>> Worse, while he claims to own a BMW, he's ignorant of the most basic of the
>> terms used for bimmers and beemers alike, which means his mind is on off.
>
> I DO own a BMW.
>
>>
>> Likewise, he claims to "teach racing" and yet he's likely never heard of a
>> catenary, which, let's be clear, would be discussed in any racing circuit
>> (other than straight-line drag racing perhaps, as no curves are involved).
>
> Sorry, but the line for a car going through a corner is not described by
> a catenary.
>
>>
>> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>>
>> The point of bringing up the catenary or the metric tensor or Christoffel
>> symbols or even Dunning Kruger effects isn't so much what they are - but
>> that the iKooks are ignorant of them and yet they form strong opinions.
>>
>> Jolly Roger thinks he's an iKook because "we disagree" but that's yet
>> another trait of the iKook to completely misunderstand the obvious.
>>
>> He's an iKook not because we disagree - but because he strongly believes in
>> things which he's completely ignorant of - for example, Jolly Roger
>> repeatedly claims Apple fully patches older releases - when Apple doesn't.
>>
>> Sure. We disagree. But my disagreement is based on Apple's own words.
>> His belief system is based on absolutely no facts whatsoever that matter.
>>
>> Apple says they do not fully patch older releases.
>> Jolly Roger says they do.
>> In fact, he's sure of it.
>>
>> Simply because Apple fixed a bug or two in an older release.
>> That's full "proof" to Jolly Roger that Apple fully patches older releases!
>>
>> No fact can or will sway Jolly Roger from his purely imaginary beliefs.
>>
>> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>>
>> Not only do the iKooks lack that cognitive ability, badgolferman, but they
>> form strong opinions that all science is "dubious" simply because they
>> a. are ignorant of it...
>> b. because they're uneducated...
>> c. as a result of their low IQ
>>
>> It's why the iKooks can't put together that Apple's variant excuses for
>> removing basic functionality is because Apple wants to them to buy it back.
>>
>> Instead of putting things together, as you just did (and as most normal
>> adults would do), they accept Apple's individual explanations (e.g., "it's
>> courageous") because it's much simpler for them to accept a direct excuse.
>>
>> The whole point of this thread is to point out what iKooks really are.
>>
>> My main point about the iKooks is simply that they form strong opinions
>> about things that they spend absolutely no energy actually understanding.
>>
>> Alan Browne, for example, repeatedly claims there is no walled garden
>> simply because he's completely ignorant that he's logging into it.
>>
>> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>>
>> This is a classic Dunning-Kruger first quartile trait, where they are so
>> confident of their assessments that they don't realize how wrong they are.
>>
>> It's what I'm trying to patiently explain to Hemidactylus, who deprecated
>> the Dunning-Kruger graphs, where I fit into those same graphs as do you.
>>
>> The difference is that I _understand_ what Dunning-Kruger papers explained.
>>
>> It's the same with the catenary where, by now, Alan Baker has probably
>> furiously googled enough to find that it's a well-taught well-discussed
>> term in racing (particularly in motorcycle racing, as you've surmised).
>>
>> Yet, he's likely never heard of it nor, more importantly, since ignorance
>> can be cured, he doesn't understand that it's an extremely important fact.
>>
>> Just as nospam can't stand that he was ignorant that iOS doesn't have any
>> app store apps that graphically show wi-fi signal strength over time,
>> they'll make a childish kindergarten excuse for why they lack knowledge.
>>
>> In nospam's case, that childish excuse is he'll repeatedly claim that apps
>> exist - and yet - when asked to "name just one" - he's never once named it.
>>
>> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>>
>> It's the same with Hemidactylus claiming the D-K is a weapon when everyone
>> fits into the D-K graphs - yes - everyone - including you and including me.
>>
>> *How do you deal with people that far to the left of the 1st D-K quartile?*
>>
>> The iKooks don't even realize _why_ they're iKooks, badgolferman.
>>
>> But they prove it whenever the only way they can deal with facts that
>> they're ignorant of, like Alan Browne did, is to call people an 'it'.
>>
>> Do you know why Alan Browne calls people dealing with facts an 'it'?
>> I do.
>>
>> HINT: If he negates the person, he feels he's negated all the facts too.
>
> You do yammer on, don't you?
>
I seriously think Bozo Arlen is about to pop an aneurysm given his latest
incoherent broken record ramblings.