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 by: Otto Pylot - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:32 UTC

I just updated the trusty old MacBook Pro (13", 2019 model) from Catalina to
Monterey. Smooth update and the startup/shutdown seems faster, and the laptop
overall seems a bit snappier. However, the battery seems to deplete faster. Is
it just me or is their increased battery usage with Monterey? I keep all apps
closed after using them so I'm not sure what else I need to check (or
rememberd to check) to minimize battery use. Thanks.
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 by: Ant - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:08 UTC

Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
> I just updated the trusty old MacBook Pro (13", 2019 model) from Catalina to
> Monterey. Smooth update and the startup/shutdown seems faster, and the laptop
> overall seems a bit snappier. However, the battery seems to deplete faster. Is
> it just me or is their increased battery usage with Monterey? I keep all apps
> closed after using them so I'm not sure what else I need to check (or
> rememberd to check) to minimize battery use. Thanks.

Maybe this is normal like in iOS devices? Wait a few days and see if it improves?
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 by: Dr Eberhard Lisse - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:39 UTC

What does the Battery System Preference tell you?

Can it be be that it just charges up to 80% for improved battery
"health"?

greetings, el

On 10/01/2022 09:08, Ant wrote:
> Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
>> I just updated the trusty old MacBook Pro (13", 2019 model) from
>> Catalina to Monterey. Smooth update and the startup/shutdown seems
>> faster, and the laptop overall seems a bit snappier. However, the
>> battery seems to deplete faster. Is it just me or is their increased
>> battery usage with Monterey? I keep all apps closed after using them
>> so I'm not sure what else I need to check (or rememberd to check) to
>> minimize battery use. Thanks.
>
> Maybe this is normal like in iOS devices? Wait a few days and see if
> it improves?

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:42 UTC

In message <VYWdnarAruUkB0b8nZ2dnUU7-bfNnZ2d@supernews.com> Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
> I just updated the trusty old MacBook Pro (13", 2019 model) from Catalina to
> Monterey. Smooth update and the startup/shutdown seems faster, and the laptop
> overall seems a bit snappier. However, the battery seems to deplete faster.

After installing a new system on ANY Apple device you will see increased
battery life as it redoes indexing and caching. This settles down after
a few days, maybe a longer depending on how much time it spends awake.

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:08 UTC

In message <slrnstoaco.ob3.g.kreme@zephyrus.local> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <VYWdnarAruUkB0b8nZ2dnUU7-bfNnZ2d@supernews.com> Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
>> I just updated the trusty old MacBook Pro (13", 2019 model) from Catalina to
>> Monterey. Smooth update and the startup/shutdown seems faster, and the laptop
>> overall seems a bit snappier. However, the battery seems to deplete faster.

> After installing a new system on ANY Apple device you will see increased
> battery life

drain.

> as it redoes indexing and caching. This settles down after a few days,
> maybe a longer depending on how much time it spends awake.

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 by: Otto Pylot - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:40 UTC

On Jan 10, 2022 at 4:39:14 AM PST, "Dr Eberhard Lisse" <nospam@lisse.NA>
wrote:

> What does the Battery System Preference tell you?
>
> Can it be be that it just charges up to 80% for improved battery
> "health"?
>
> greetings, el
>
> On 10/01/2022 09:08, Ant wrote:
>> Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
>>> I just updated the trusty old MacBook Pro (13", 2019 model) from
>>> Catalina to Monterey. Smooth update and the startup/shutdown seems
>>> faster, and the laptop overall seems a bit snappier. However, the
>>> battery seems to deplete faster. Is it just me or is their increased
>>> battery usage with Monterey? I keep all apps closed after using them
>>> so I'm not sure what else I need to check (or rememberd to check) to
>>> minimize battery use. Thanks.
>>
>> Maybe this is normal like in iOS devices? Wait a few days and see if
>> it improves?

It does charge up to 100% but seems to deplete faster than before. Spotlight
is off so there is no indexing or whatever going on in the background. Maybe
I'm just overanalyzing it.
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 by: bje...@ripco.com - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 18:50 UTC

Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> After installing a new system on ANY Apple device you will see increased
> battery life as it redoes indexing and caching. This settles down after
> a few days, maybe a longer depending on how much time it spends awake.

I always liked that answer "takes a few days for reindexing".

Apple must really use some piss-poor cpu's and memory management.

Somewhere downstairs I have an old 386 that used to keep track of around 20
bowling teams, maybe 200 players. Once you had all the data entered, anything
like sort by team averages, hi scores, most pins, games won, only took a few
seconds to spit out what you needed to know.

If the battery life is cut short because it needs a few days to do
something, indexing and caching isn't it.

There is something else going on. It's just another bullshit excuse.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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 by: nospam - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:13 UTC

In article <srhv5i$sv6$1@remote6hme0.ripco.com>, <bje@ripco.com> wrote:

> > After installing a new system on ANY Apple device you will see increased
> > battery life as it redoes indexing and caching. This settles down after
> > a few days, maybe a longer depending on how much time it spends awake.
>
>
> I always liked that answer "takes a few days for reindexing".

glad you liked it.

> Apple must really use some piss-poor cpu's and memory management.

nope. it's intentionally a low priority background process.

> Somewhere downstairs I have an old 386 that used to keep track of around 20
> bowling teams, maybe 200 players. Once you had all the data entered, anything
> like sort by team averages, hi scores, most pins, games won, only took a few
> seconds to spit out what you needed to know.

once you had all the data entered, which takes time, the results are
fast. that's the point.

the macbook i'm currently using has just under 2 million files and my
desktop mac has more than 100 million files, according to disk utility.

most of those files will be indexed by their contents, including text,
graphics, audio and video.

that's going to take a lot longer to index than 200 bowlers and their
scores.

once it's indexed, queries are fast. very fast.

> If the battery life is cut short because it needs a few days to do
> something, indexing and caching isn't it.

it is it.

> There is something else going on. It's just another bullshit excuse.

based on what was said so far, no.

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 by: Your Name - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:07 UTC

On 2022-01-10 18:50:26 +0000, bje@ripco.com said:

> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> After installing a new system on ANY Apple device you will see increased
>> battery life as it redoes indexing and caching. This settles down after
>> a few days, maybe a longer depending on how much time it spends awake.
>
> I always liked that answer "takes a few days for reindexing".
>
> Apple must really use some piss-poor cpu's and memory management.

Nope. It's a low-priority task that keeps being paused or slowed down
by the user "stupidly" wanting to do things on their device.

Spotlight is usually one of the main culprits (especially with big
capacity drives and / or lots of files), but there are others too
behind-the-scenes of the OS.

> Somewhere downstairs I have an old 386 that used to keep track of around 20
> bowling teams, maybe 200 players. Once you had all the data entered, anything
> like sort by team averages, hi scores, most pins, games won, only took a few
> seconds to spit out what you needed to know.

Because that was a high-priority task, otherwise you'd be complaining
your "computer is too slow".

> If the battery life is cut short because it needs a few days to do
> something, indexing and caching isn't it.
>
> There is something else going on. It's just another bullshit excuse.

There are lots of things "going on", some with higher priority than others.

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 by: Lewis - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 22:20 UTC

In message <srhv5i$sv6$1@remote6hme0.ripco.com> bje@ripco.com <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>> After installing a new system on ANY Apple device you will see increased
>> battery life as it redoes indexing and caching. This settles down after
>> a few days, maybe a longer depending on how much time it spends awake.

> I always liked that answer "takes a few days for reindexing".

It is accurate.

> Apple must really use some piss-poor cpu's and memory management.

No, they simply do not store any personal data they don't have to, so
settung up a new devices causes photos and user contnet to be reindexecd
from scratch. And Apple makes that indexing low priority so it doesn't
interfere with device use.

> Somewhere downstairs I have an old 386 that used to keep track of around 20
> bowling teams, maybe 200 players. Once you had all the data entered, anything
> like sort by team averages, hi scores, most pins, games won, only took a few
> seconds to spit out what you needed to know.

That is nothing compared to the indexing and analysis your modern devices
do.

> If the battery life is cut short because it needs a few days to do
> something, indexing and caching isn't it.

Ah, I didn't realize your opinion was based on your vast computer
experience. I look forward to your detailed explanations.

Or not.

--
I is for IDA who drowned in a lake
J is for JAMES who took lye by mistake

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> nope. it's intentionally a low priority background process.

A low priority background process that eats up battery life enough for the
owner to notice?

Gotcha.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> Ah, I didn't realize your opinion was based on your vast computer
> experience. I look forward to your detailed explanations.

If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking the question.

To me it's just a fucking knee jerk answer to the question of reduced
battery life when a new OS is installed.

And don't lecture me on Spotlight and indexing...

https://pages.ripco.net/~blang/ScreenShot2022-01-11at5.32.52AM.png

It's a 10+ year old mini with 19 hard drives mounted on it, internal, usb,
firewire (remember those?) and the rest mounted from various NAS's around
the house.

All indexed. I pretty much know how long Spotlight takes just from
experience.

If newer macs than mine takes "days and days" using faster processors, solid
state drives and more memory (mine is only 8GB), there has to be something
else going on.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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On 2022-01-11 12:04:54 +0000, bje@ripco.com said:

> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I didn't realize your opinion was based on your vast computer
>> experience. I look forward to your detailed explanations.
>
>
> If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking the question.
>
> To me it's just a fucking knee jerk answer to the question of reduced
> battery life when a new OS is installed.
>
> And don't lecture me on Spotlight and indexing...
>
> https://pages.ripco.net/~blang/ScreenShot2022-01-11at5.32.52AM.png
>
> It's a 10+ year old mini with 19 hard drives mounted on it, internal, usb,
> firewire (remember those?) and the rest mounted from various NAS's around
> the house.
>
> All indexed. I pretty much know how long Spotlight takes just from
> experience.
>
> If newer macs than mine takes "days and days" using faster processors, solid
> state drives and more memory (mine is only 8GB), there has to be something
> else going on.
>
> -bruce
> bje@ripco.com

Yes, because Spotlight indexing isn't the only thing happening on a new
/ fresh OS installed Mac.

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On 2022-01-11 11:28:51 +0000, bje@ripco.com said:
>>
>> nope. it's intentionally a low priority background process.
>
> A low priority background process that eats up battery life enough for the
> owner to notice?
>
> Gotcha.

All processes use power, it doesn't matter that it's in the background
/ low priority, that simply means it can be paused / slowed when high
demand processes need access to the CPU, RAM, drives, etc.

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On 2022-01-11 12:04:54 +0000, bje@ripco.com said:

> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I didn't realize your opinion was based on your vast computer
>> experience. I look forward to your detailed explanations.
>
> If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking the question.
>
> To me it's just a fucking knee jerk answer to the question of reduced
> battery life when a new OS is installed.
>
> And don't lecture me on Spotlight and indexing...
>
> https://pages.ripco.net/~blang/ScreenShot2022-01-11at5.32.52AM.png
>
> It's a 10+ year old mini with 19 hard drives mounted on it, internal, usb,
> firewire (remember those?) and the rest mounted from various NAS's around
> the house.
>
> All indexed. I pretty much know how long Spotlight takes just from
> experience.
>
> If newer macs than mine takes "days and days" using faster processors, solid
> state drives and more memory (mine is only 8GB), there has to be something
> else going on.

If the computer keeps going into Sleep mode, then, yes, the indexing
can take days or even weeks.

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On Jan 11, 2022 at 4:04:54 AM PST, "bje@ripco.com" <bje@ripco.com> wrote:

> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I didn't realize your opinion was based on your vast computer
>> experience. I look forward to your detailed explanations.
>
>
> If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking the question.
>
> To me it's just a fucking knee jerk answer to the question of reduced
> battery life when a new OS is installed.
>
> And don't lecture me on Spotlight and indexing...
>
> https://pages.ripco.net/~blang/ScreenShot2022-01-11at5.32.52AM.png
>
> It's a 10+ year old mini with 19 hard drives mounted on it, internal, usb,
> firewire (remember those?) and the rest mounted from various NAS's around
> the house.
>
> All indexed. I pretty much know how long Spotlight takes just from
> experience.
>
> If newer macs than mine takes "days and days" using faster processors, solid
> state drives and more memory (mine is only 8GB), there has to be something
> else going on.
>
> -bruce
> bje@ripco.com

I called Apple and they ran diagnostics remotely on it and nothing was amiss,
but obviously something is. Battery Prefs indicates that Spotlight is on
(which it shouldn't be cause it's disabled) and Activity Monitor lists it but
shows zero activity, and then it goes away after a brief period of time. And
battery usage still goes from about 100% to 16% in about 4 hours with just
Mail running in the background and Safari use. Apple has made an appointment
for me on Thursday under AppleCare to have them take a look at it. Battery
Condition is Normal so somehting is going on. Either the update screwed
something up or it's just a conincidence that somethat has happend to the
battery processes after the update. Catalina was rock solid.
--
Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before.

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In article <KKmdnVEKCIbgfkD8nZ2dnUU7-KvNnZ2d@supernews.com>, Otto Pylot
<otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:

> battery usage still goes from about 100% to 16% in about 4 hours with just
> Mail running in the background and Safari use.

that is a clear sign of a failing battery.

> Apple has made an appointment
> for me on Thursday under AppleCare to have them take a look at it. Battery
> Condition is Normal so somehting is going on. Either the update screwed
> something up or it's just a conincidence that somethat has happend to the
> battery processes after the update. Catalina was rock solid.

coincidence.

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:40 UTC

In message <srjplj$6em$1@remote6hme0.ripco.com> bje@ripco.com <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> nope. it's intentionally a low priority background process.

> A low priority background process that eats up battery life enough for the
> owner to notice?

In the first couple of days of setting up a new device, yes.

--
So now you know the words to our song, pretty soon you'll all be
singing along, when you're sad, when you're lonely and it all
turns out wrong...

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:44 UTC

In message <srjrp6$6em$2@remote6hme0.ripco.com> bje@ripco.com <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>> Ah, I didn't realize your opinion was based on your vast computer
>> experience. I look forward to your detailed explanations.

> If I knew the answer, I wouldn't be asking the question.

And yet you are telling people who have given you the answer they are
wrong.

> To me it's just a fucking knee jerk answer to the question of reduced
> battery life when a new OS is installed.

Because you have no clue what you are talking about or what the device
is doing when it reindexes?

> And don't lecture me on Spotlight and indexing...

> https://pages.ripco.net/~blang/ScreenShot2022-01-11at5.32.52AM.png

> It's a 10+ year old mini with 19 hard drives mounted on it, internal, usb,
> firewire (remember those?) and the rest mounted from various NAS's around
> the house.

That has nothing whatsove to do with Spotlight.

> All indexed. I pretty much know how long Spotlight takes just from
> experience.

obviously not.

> If newer macs than mine takes "days and days" using faster processors, solid
> state drives and more memory (mine is only 8GB), there has to be something
> else going on.

Building indexes is quite different than reindexing as files change or
are updated. I have 70TB hanging off my desktop machine (yes, I have
added even more storage). Most of those files never change, so one they
are index, nothing else needs to be done with them. Building the initial
index takes a long time.

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 by: Otto Pylot - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 00:49 UTC

On Jan 11, 2022 at 12:10:11 PM PST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <KKmdnVEKCIbgfkD8nZ2dnUU7-KvNnZ2d@supernews.com>, Otto Pylot
> <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> battery usage still goes from about 100% to 16% in about 4 hours with just
>> Mail running in the background and Safari use.
>
> that is a clear sign of a failing battery.
>
>> Apple has made an appointment
>> for me on Thursday under AppleCare to have them take a look at it. Battery
>> Condition is Normal so somehting is going on. Either the update screwed
>> something up or it's just a conincidence that somethat has happend to the
>> battery processes after the update. Catalina was rock solid.
>
> coincidence.

Agreed. It appears to be better now after doing some "rebuilding" with Apple
but Spotlight keeps popping up under Battery - Using Significant Energy when
it is disabled and Activity Monitor indicates nothing is going on,
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 by: Lewis - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 05:35 UTC

In message <qdqdnReQGN8fuEP8nZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@supernews.com> Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
> Spotlight keeps popping up under Battery - Using Significant Energy
> when it is disabled and Activity Monitor indicates nothing is going
> on,

I should have asked this before.

What makes you think Spotlight is, as you say, "disabled"? As far as I
know, you cannot disable Spotlight in macOS in any supported way.

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 by: Otto Pylot - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 06:27 UTC

On Jan 11, 2022 at 4:49:06 PM PST, "Otto Pylot" <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com>
wrote:

> On Jan 11, 2022 at 12:10:11 PM PST, "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <KKmdnVEKCIbgfkD8nZ2dnUU7-KvNnZ2d@supernews.com>, Otto Pylot
>> <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> battery usage still goes from about 100% to 16% in about 4 hours with just
>>> Mail running in the background and Safari use.
>>
>> that is a clear sign of a failing battery.
>>
>>> Apple has made an appointment
>>> for me on Thursday under AppleCare to have them take a look at it. Battery
>>> Condition is Normal so somehting is going on. Either the update screwed
>>> something up or it's just a conincidence that somethat has happend to the
>>> battery processes after the update. Catalina was rock solid.
>>
>> coincidence.
>
> Agreed. It appears to be better now after doing some "rebuilding" with Apple
> but Spotlight keeps popping up under Battery - Using Significant Energy when
> it is disabled and Activity Monitor indicates nothing is going on,

For anyone that cares, it appears that Spotlight is enabled automatically, and
even if you don't set it up it will continue to "look" for something to index
unless you add your entire volume to Privacy. Once done, battery performance
returns to normal and Spotlight is "disabled". Never used Spotlight before so
wasn't aware of how it operates.
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 by: Dr Eberhard W Lisse - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:17 UTC

You need to keep Applications clicked, if you want the
AppStore to work (wrt updating). The rest can be turned off.

el

On 2022-01-15 08:27 , Otto Pylot wrote:
[...]
> For anyone that cares, it appears that Spotlight is enabled
> automatically, and even if you don't set it up it will continue to
> "look" for something to index unless you add your entire volume to
> Privacy. Once done, battery performance returns to normal and
> Spotlight is "disabled". Never used Spotlight before so wasn't aware
> of how it operates.

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 by: Otto Pylot - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 00:20 UTC

On Jan 15, 2022 at 2:17:29 AM PST, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <nospam@lisse.NA>
wrote:

> You need to keep Applications clicked, if you want the
> AppStore to work (wrt updating). The rest can be turned off.
>
> el
>
>
> On 2022-01-15 08:27 , Otto Pylot wrote:
> [...]
>> For anyone that cares, it appears that Spotlight is enabled
>> automatically, and even if you don't set it up it will continue to
>> "look" for something to index unless you add your entire volume to
>> Privacy. Once done, battery performance returns to normal and
>> Spotlight is "disabled". Never used Spotlight before so wasn't aware
>> of how it operates.

Interesting. Apple didn't mention that specifically. AppStore updates have
always worked for me before with Spotlight disabled.
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 by: Dr Eberhard Lisse - Tue, 18 Jan 2022 09:25 UTC

That depends on what the word "disabled" means :-)-O and I might of
course be wrong, but this works for me.

el

On 16/01/2022 02:20, Otto Pylot wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2022 at 2:17:29 AM PST, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <nospam@lisse.NA>
> wrote:
>
>> You need to keep Applications clicked, if you want the AppStore to
>> work (wrt updating). The rest can be turned off.
>>
>> el
>>
>>
>> On 2022-01-15 08:27 , Otto Pylot wrote:
>> [...]
>>> For anyone that cares, it appears that Spotlight is enabled
>>> automatically, and even if you don't set it up it will continue to
>>> "look" for something to index unless you add your entire volume to
>>> Privacy. Once done, battery performance returns to normal and
>>> Spotlight is "disabled". Never used Spotlight before so wasn't
>>> aware of how it operates.
>
> Interesting. Apple didn't mention that specifically. AppStore
> updates have always worked for me before with Spotlight disabled.

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