On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 23:40:00 -0500, nospam wrote:

> he's clearly never used itunes,

What's always the case with these iKooks is they just make everything up.
Look at this screenshot: <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

What do you think happens to that _fantastic_ two-way file copy to and from
the _entire visible file system_ of the iPod & Windows... ... ...
What do you think happens, nospam....
What happens...
What happens...
*What happens the _instant_ iTunes is installed?*

Tell us, nospam.
What happens to that functionality the instant iTunes is installed?

Tell us.
(HINT: I know because I certainly know that iTunes _removes_ functionality!)

Note to adults only:
a. I'm aware how very odd that sounds that iTunes _removes_ functionality.
b. But try it and you'll see _exactly_ that (odd as it would seem).
c. A question might be _why_ does Apple have iTunes remove functionality?

Why does Apple write iTunes to _remove_ that functionality?
I don't know why.

All I know is that the instant you add iTunes to Windows, you can no longer
just slide your media files back and forth (read _and_ write) to the entire
visible file system of _any_ iPod (not just your iPod - but _any_ iPod).
a. You can't use any iPod
b. You can't slide files back and forth

Why does iTunes destroy that functionality the _instant_ you install it?
I don't know why.

Ask the iKooks why.
(Note: Ask the iKooks how they can claim I've never used iTunes by the way.)

>> If iTunes was so great, Jolly Roger, why did Apple summarily drop it whole?
> on windows, it's alive and well.

Tell us nospam why iTunes (and its concomittent bloatware) has huge
vulnerabilities that are in the iTunes Windows versions for 8 years, nospam?
>> The goal here is to do with iOS what _every_ other platform already does.
>
> it very easily does that.
>
> only you are having problems, which means the limitation is not the
> operating system, the hardware or the company who made it.

The adults will notice that the iKooks claim they can do what _nobody_ else
can do, which is a brazen fabrication which they _never_ back up with facts.

Since I'm an adult, here are facts that I can do what I claim I can do:
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS

Adults will notice the iKooks are _desperate_ to claim functionality that
doesn't exist - where Frank Slootweg became exasperated these iKooks _never_
can back up _any_ of their brazenly fabricated imaginary functionality.

Why are the iKooks so _desperate_ to deflect this technical thread?
I don't know why.
I just know that I can predict a decade in advance what they do.

Nonetheless, the goal remains to obtain for iOS the same functionality we
already have for all other platforms except for iOS (even iPods!)

The USB file xfer goal can be resolved by finding an iFuse port for Windows.
I'm _not_ a developer and I don't have _any_ experience compiling iFuse.

Hence the answer will be from those who are better at such things than I.
I will follow in your footsteps (as I try every viable solution proposed).

Is there anyone here who knows iFuse better than I do that can help us?
--
The only known solution is Windows iFuse (but we haven't found a port yet)

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:25:59 -0500, nospam wrote:

> as i said numerous times, copying some content does not require
> additional software while other content does. for the latter, install
> whatever software is needed, copy the content and get on with life.

The iKooks _hate_ that goal is so very simple & yet they can't ever do it.
*Read _&_ write to the entire visible file system of both devices over USB*

There's no mention of "out of the box" even though it's clear both Linux and
Android do it "out of the box".

Notice the iPod does _not_ do it out of the box, but with free software it
_does_ do it; so there's no need for "out of the box" at all.
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

What is needed is a universal solution that works for everyone, which means
all the software needs to be is free and it needs to do the job asked of it.

But that's too much for these iKooks to comprehend.
*_What_? Free file copy? To and from the visible file system?*

That's apparently far too much functionality to ask of iTunes or Files apps.

The goal is too great.
In fact, the iKooks claimed that's an "artificial" goal.
Why?
> never have i seen people make such a big deal about copying stuff.

It's _you_ iKooks who are brazenly fabricating imaginary functionality.
Not us.

We back up our claims.
1. Android works out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg>
2. So does Linux out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg>
3. Even Apple iPods do it <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>
4. iOS? <the only known possible solution is an iFuse port on Windows>

You are the one who _hates_ that last line and who is making a big deal
by brazenly fabricating functionality for that last line that doesn't exist.

Not us.
We just want to solve that problem which Apple created.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 17:25:59 -0500, nospam wrote:

> as i said numerous times, copying some content does not require
> additional software while other content does. for the latter, install
> whatever software is needed, copy the content and get on with life.

The iKooks _hate_ that goal is so very simple & yet they can't ever do it.
*Read _&_ write to the entire visible file system of both devices over USB*

There's no mention of "out of the box" even though it's clear both Linux and
Android do it "out of the box".

Notice the iPod does _not_ do it out of the box, but with free software it
_does_ do it; so there's no need for "out of the box" at all.
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

What is needed is a universal solution that works for everyone, which means
all the software needs to be is free and it needs to do the job asked of it.

But that's too much for these iKooks to comprehend.
*_What_? Free file copy? To and from the visible file system?*

That's apparently far too much functionality to ask of iTunes or Files apps.

The goal is too great.
In fact, the iKooks claimed that's an "artificial" goal.
Why?
> never have i seen people make such a big deal about copying stuff.

It's _you_ iKooks who are brazenly fabricating imaginary functionality.
Not us.

We back up our claims.
1. Android works out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg>
2. So does Linux out of the box <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg>
3. Even Apple iPods do it <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>
4. iOS? <the only known possible solution is an iFuse port on Windows>

You are the one who _hates_ that last line and who is making a big deal
by brazenly fabricating functionality for that last line that doesn't exist.

Not us.
We just want to solve that problem which Apple created.

On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 23 Jan 2022 14:31:58 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible file system?
>>
>> Here's how to effortlessly transfer files from Windows to apps on Apple
>> devices (and vice versa), which Arlen claims it "iMpOsSiBlE!1!":
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301>
>
> This is the _first_ sentence of that link, for example:
> "Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
> AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
> devices."

Poor little Arlen can't get past sentence one. Yet the rest of the
document gives simple steps showing how to do two-way file transfers to
and from apps on iOS devices and your Windows computer:

See which of your iOS and iPadOS apps can share files with your computer
1. Open iTunes on your Mac or PC.
2. Connect your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch to your computer using the
USB cable that came with your device.
3. Click your device in iTunes.
4. In the left sidebar, click File Sharing.
5. Select an app to see which files are available for sharing in that
app on your device.

Copy files from your computer to your iOS or iPadOS app
1. In iTunes, select the app from the list in the File Sharing section.
2. Drag and drop files from a folder or window onto the Documents list
to copy them to your device. You can also click Add in the Documents
list in iTunes, find the file or files you want to copy from your
computer, and then click Add. iTunes copies these files to the app on
your device.

Copy files from an iOS or iPadOS app to your computer
1. In iTunes, select the app from the list in the File Sharing section.
2. Drag and drop files from the Documents list to a folder or window on
your computer to copy them to your computer. You can also select the
file or files that you want to copy to your computer from the Documents
list and click "Save" then find the folder on your computer to which you
want to copy the files and click Save.

Why do you think Arlen ignores the rest of the document and focuses only
on single sentence?

> Why do you _think_ Apple says that?
> "Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
> AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
> devices."

Because those methods are actually even easier than fumbling around with
a cable, hooking your "mobile" device to it, connecting the other end to
your computer, and opening a window to manually transfer files. But we
get it, Arlen: you *hate* easy and elegant file transfer methods with a
passion, especially when they are contrasted with the cumbersome
methods. : )

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 1/24/22 15:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible
>>>> file system?

>> "Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
>> AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
>> devices."

A USB cable does nothing with my flip-phone except charge it. I've used
bluetooth a few times to get pictures off my phone. Would bluetooth help
Orlon with his problem-set?

On 2022-01-25, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
> On 1/24/22 15:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible
>>>>> file system?
>
>>> "Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
>>> AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
>>> devices."
>
> A USB cable does nothing with my flip-phone except charge it. I've
> used bluetooth a few times to get pictures off my phone. Would
> bluetooth help Orlon with his problem-set?

Wireless transfers are far too advanced and nowhere near cumbersome
enough. It absolutely *must* be done over a USB cable. Sorry. You've
"lost" his little game. Thanks for playing.

--
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JR

In message <ssnm43$fgo$1@gioia.aioe.org> corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
> On 1/24/22 15:41, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2022-01-23, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Where is two-way USB file transfer to and from the iOS visible
>>>>> file system?

>>> "Instead of File Sharing, consider using iCloud Drive, Handoff, or
>>> AirDrop to keep your documents up to date across all of your
>>> devices."

> A USB cable does nothing with my flip-phone except charge it. I've used
> bluetooth a few times to get pictures off my phone. Would bluetooth help
> Orlon with his problem-set?

Nothing will help him with his problems other than medical intervention.

--
Eliot: We'll figure it out. We always do.
Margo: When it's a test to cheat on. Not when we're stuck in some epic fantasy
that likes to behead heroes halfway through season one. If we even are
heroes. We might be comic relief.

This nym-shifting troll insulting people,
constantly proving why it must nym-shift...

see also...
=?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl ckbirds.org>
=?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice cows.moo>
Banders <snap mailchute.com>
Covid-19 <always.look message.header>
corvid <bl ckb.ird>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.net>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.org>
Cows Are Nice <cows nice.moo>
Cows are nice <moo cows.org>
Cows are Nice <nice cows.moo>
dogs <dogs home.com>
Great Pumpkin <pumpkin patch.net>
Jose Curvo <jcurvo mymail.com>
Local Favorite <how2recycle palomar.info>
Sea <freshness coast.org>
Standard Poodle <standard poodle.com>
triangles <build home.com>
and others...

--
corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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> From: corvid <bl@ckb.ird>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
> Subject: Re: Has anyone here already run a Linux iFuse (libimobiledevice) port on Windows?
> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 19:40:11 -0800
> Organization: The 27 Club
> Message-ID: <ss816s$tsh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
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> On 1/18/22 08:07, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> A few iPhone users probably have a Mac, and don't use Linux.
>>> Really, why even stick Linux in here but exclude Mac?
>> It's mighty interesting you didn't_understand_ why Linux is brought
>> up.
>
> I did.
>
> "Note that I've tried every way possible... for all platforms except
> iOS" and completely forgetting about macOS is the interesting part.
>
>> I am forced to use a Mac less and less over the years as I substitute
>> teach at the local high school,
>
> Yeah, the kids see you jerking off during the ZOOM sessions.
>
>

John Doe stated the following in message-id <svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET (**) has been 64.2% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe has posted at
least 2197 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
1235 have been John Doe "troll format" postings.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has continued to post incorrectly
formatted USENET articles that are devoid of content (latest example on
Thu, 23 Jun 2022 07:04:30 -0000 (UTC) in message-id
<t9139u$v2f$3@dont-email.me>).

NOBODY likes the John Doe troll's contentless spam.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that Troll Doe does not even follow
the rules it uses to troll other posters.

pc+AZUXQ0+Es

This nym-shifting troll pretending it's gunna analyze something...
That's very funny.

see also...
=?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl ckbirds.org>
=?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice cows.moo>
Banders <snap mailchute.com>
Covid-19 <always.look message.header>
corvid <bl ckb.ird>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.net>
Corvid <bl ckbirds.org>
Cows Are Nice <cows nice.moo>
Cows are nice <moo cows.org>
Cows are Nice <nice cows.moo>
dogs <dogs home.com>
Great Pumpkin <pumpkin patch.net>
Jose Curvo <jcurvo mymail.com>
Local Favorite <how2recycle palomar.info>
Sea <freshness coast.org>
Standard Poodle <standard poodle.com>
triangles <build home.com>
and others...

--
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> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
> Subject: Re: Has anyone here already run a Linux iFuse (libimobiledevice) port on Windows?
> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:35:17 -0800
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>
> On 1/19/22 22:00, corvid wrote:
>> On 1/19/22 18:54, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> ha... ha... ha... This 'corvid' proves me right the Apple
>>> newsgroups are filled with morons.
>>
>> I'm looking at this shitbag Arlen/Andy troll from the mac.apps
>> group, which is filled mostly with Arlen/Andy troll crossposts from
>> someplace else.
>>
>> This "Re: Has anyone here already... " thread turned into trolling
>> as Arlen/Andy crossposted it to comp.sys.mac.apps and to
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone from comp.sys.mac.system
>>
>> Look at some of the Arlen/Andy hypocrite's last words in
>> comp.sys.mac.system <http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164265702700>
>> before crossposting:
>>
>> "What I promise is: a. If the trolls try to derail this thread, I
>> will ignore them."
>
> Really, Arlen! You're the one who derailed this thread. Let's go over
> this some more.
>
> "If I ever do come up with a solution, it will be in following someone
> else's footsteps, but what I can do is write up a tutorial so others can
> follow me."
>
> ((Oh, Arlen! Andy! We will follow you!))
>
> --
> "What makes Usenet valuable is good hearted purposefully helpful people."
>
> ((Oh, good hearted Arlen!))
>
> Your next post (strangely a reply to your own) was crossposted here.
> With that phony helpful act snipped.
>
> "Many people on the child-like Apple newsgroups instinctively bullshit
> (which is easily proven by the fact the Apple kooks... "
>
>>
>> Arlen/Andy, can you explain why you are a trolling shitbag?
>
> Hmm?
>
>

Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me>
(http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=164904625100) posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022
08:01:09 -0000 (UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
to USENET (**) has been 64.3% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe has posted at
least 2199 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
1237 have been Troll Doe "troll format" postings.

The John Dope troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Dope troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Dope troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 23 Jun 2022 07:08:45 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t913hs$v2f$4@dont-email.me>.

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