Andy Burnelli wrote:

> *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

Even though it's futile to ask an adult question of the iKooks,
I opened up a separate thread to get to the bottom of why it's only the
Apple mothership tracking servers which require this frequent login.

*Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while Google Voice does not?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/e3l3wix7a6s>

That way the Android users, who have the privacy that iOS lacks,
can get on with Android issues without dealing with these iKooks.

On 2023-03-22 20:01, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>>  *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
>
> Even though it's futile to ask an adult question of the iKooks, I opened
> up a separate thread to get to the bottom of why it's only the
> Apple mothership tracking servers which require this frequent login.
>
> *Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while Google
> Voice does not?*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/e3l3wix7a6s>
>
> That way the Android users, who have the privacy that iOS lacks,
> can get on with Android issues without dealing with these iKooks.

You're lying...

....or ignorant...

....or more likely, both:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZzWeExnDV51B_Ulb76WUzlPaeRXSQXci/view?usp=share_link>

Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

....Asshole.

On 3/22/2023 11:00 PM, Alan wrote:

>> *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
>
> Google Voice DOES require logging in.
>
> Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.

Do you ever think before you post?

You whooshed on the main concept and then you berated him?
What's wrong with you?

Next time, before you respond with the first idiotic reply that comes into
your head, why don't you read first the actual words that the people said
that you're responding to?

On 2023-03-22 20:10, knuttle wrote:
> On 3/22/2023 11:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>>> *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
>>
>> Google Voice DOES require logging in.
>>
>> Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.
>
> Do you ever think before you post?
>
> You whooshed on the main concept and then you berated him?
> What's wrong with you?
>
> Next time, before you respond with the first idiotic reply that comes into
> your head, why don't you read first the actual words that the people said
> that you're responding to?

Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?

Show us all how.

In article <tvgegu$2iuc2$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

> *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*

yes it does. otherwise, it would be impossible for google to route
calls to and from your device.

the mere fact you think it doesn't is clear and irrefutable proof that
you have absolutely no clue whatsofuckingever.

this doesn't require logging into anything and can do quite a bit too.
even a child can figure it out, so you should be all set.
<https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81VyrHqFJHL._AC_SL1500_.jpg>

On 3/22/2023 11:02 PM, Alan wrote:

> Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

There you go again saying the first idiotic thing that comes to your head.
Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?

On 3/22/2023 11:12 PM, Alan wrote:

> Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?
>
> Show us all how.

Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?
He never said what your idiotic brain thinks he said. Asshole.

You may as well complain that he said a cow jumps over the moon.
Only you think he said you don't have to log in once, Asshole.

Why don't you read what people say before you yell at them. Asshole.
Until you show that you understood what he said, I'm done with you.

Asshole.

On 2023-03-22 20:18, knuttle wrote:
> On 3/22/2023 11:12 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?
>>
>> Show us all how.
>
> Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?
> He never said what your idiotic brain thinks he said. Asshole.

Why don't you tell us all what you're claiming he said?

Oops.

On 2023-03-22 20:16, knuttle wrote:
> On 3/22/2023 11:02 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...
>
> There you go again saying the first idiotic thing that comes to your head.
> Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you didn't?

He said that FaceTime requires being signed in to Apple's servers and
Google Voice does not require signing in to Google servers...

....and it's complete bullshit.

nospam wrote:

>> *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
>
> yes it does. otherwise, it would be impossible for google to route
> calls to and from your device.

Hi nospam,

Stop being a child.
Just stop it.

I'm going to assume you own at least normal adult cognitive skills, ok?

Nobody but you ever said, even once, that I'm not logged in.
So stop saying things which prove you have the IQ of a moron.

Just stop it.
It makes you look like this guy.
<http://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

You have to own the basic adult cognitive skill to understand there is a
difference between "being logged in" and in "constantly being asked by
Apple to confirm your identification" by expressly logging in again.

If you can't comprehend that nuance, you don't own adult cognition, nospam.
a. Apple _requires_ that constant proof by you repeatedly logging in expressly.
b. But only for _some_ apps (like iMessage & Facetime, and the iCloud).
c. Yet Google Voice and iOS updates do _not_ require proving your identity.

Before you read any further, you have to prove to us that you own adult
cognitive skills because what I said is not the same as you saying
that I'm not logged in.

Only a child would think I'm saying I'm not logged in.
You are a child.

There is nuance here that requires someone who has an IQ that is
somewhere around normal, nospam. You can't just deny outright all the facts, nospam.

The facts are clear that Apple iMessage and Facetime require _multiple_
_repetitive_ logging into the Apple mothership tracking servers - and GV
does not (nor do most of the apps on my iPad, even most Apple apps).

*But Facetime and iMessage are different in that regard.*

Assuming you own adult cognitive skills (which is a stretch), you'll be
able to discern that there is a fundamental difference with those two.

But if you don't own at least a normal IQ, you'll never understand facts.

The facts are most iOS apps, for example, the App Store don't require
multiple and repetitive express (typed) logging into the App Store, nospam.
<http://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login
<http://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers
<http://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
<http://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
<http://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
<http://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
<http://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails
<http://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails
<http://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine
<http://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
<http://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud
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What you don't understand, nospam, is I don't expressly have to type my
username/password credentials into *any* iOS app that I use daily, except
the iMessage and Facetime apps, which _require_ constantly doing that.

If you owned adult cognition, you would understand what this says, nospam.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

> the mere fact you think it doesn't is clear and irrefutable proof that
> you have absolutely no clue

No. You're just stupid, nospam.
The fact you can't comprehend the nuance is an indicator of your low IQ.

Do you think I updated that iPad to the latest iOS without being logged in?
<http://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<http://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<http://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<http://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<http://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<http://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<http://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<http://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<http://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<http://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<http://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<http://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

> this doesn't require logging into anything and can do quite a bit too.
> even a child can figure it out, so you should be all set.

Why do you think Apple puts this request constantly on my iPad, nospam?
<http://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
--
Ask an adult question of the child like iKooks and guess what you get back.

On 2023-03-22 20:55, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>>  *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
>>
>> yes it does. otherwise, it would be impossible for google to route
>> calls to and from your device.
>
> Hi nospam,
>
> Stop being a child.
> Just stop it.
>
> I'm going to assume you own at least normal adult cognitive skills, ok?
>
> Nobody but you ever said, even once, that I'm not logged in.
> So stop saying things which prove you have the IQ of a moron.
>
> Just stop it.
> It makes you look like this guy.
> <http://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>
>
> You have to own the basic adult cognitive skill to understand there is a
> difference between "being logged in" and in "constantly being asked by
> Apple to confirm your identification" by expressly logging in again.
>
> If you can't comprehend that nuance, you don't own adult cognition, nospam.
> a. Apple _requires_ that constant proof by you repeatedly logging in
> expressly.
> b. But only for _some_ apps (like iMessage & Facetime, and the iCloud).
> c. Yet Google Voice and iOS updates do _not_ require proving your identity.

So you're suggesting that Google Voice lets anyone use your Google Voice
number?

knuttle wrote:

> Until you show that you understood what he said, I'm done with you.

Please do not respond to Alan Baker because then the rest of us who have
him plonked have to see his garbage. Nobody responds to him but iKooks.

After two decades on Usenet, my killfile only contains a half dozen entries
but Alan Baker is one of them. He has an IQ that can't be over 40.

Alan doesn't understand the difference between being logged in and
being asked to log in again (even though you're already logged in).

The iKooks are too stupid to get that nuance even as everyone else does.

That's why I ask everyone to consider _this guy_ as a typical iKook.
<https://img.yumpu.com/6936343/1/500x640/standouts-the-beat-within.jpg>

Worse, he uses Usenet as his sole amusement - he's just testing you.
The more you respond to Alan Baker, the more he loves it.

Because everyone else has Alan Baker plonked.
Didn't you notice NOBODY (but iKooks) ever responds to Alan Baker?

That's because it's not possible to have an adult conversation with him.
He doesn't even read what he replies to. He just blindly responds.

Without understanding anything.
Just watch.

On 2023-03-22 21:06, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> knuttle wrote:
>
>> Until you show that you understood what he said, I'm done with you.
>
> Please do not respond to Alan Baker because then the rest of us who have
> him plonked have to see his garbage. Nobody responds to him but iKooks.
>
> After two decades on Usenet, my killfile only contains a half dozen entries
> but Alan Baker is one of them. He has an IQ that can't be over 40.
>
> Alan doesn't understand the difference between being logged in and being
> asked to log in again (even though you're already logged in).

1. I actually use an iPhone and I haven't been asked to log again to any
service that Apple provides.

2. From a privacy standpoint, your complaint was the requirement to BE
logged in.

On 2023-03-23, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 3/22/2023 11:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>>> *Why does FaceTime require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
>>
>> Google Voice DOES require logging in.
>>
>> Show me how you get a Google Voice number without a Google ID.
>
> Do you ever think before you post?

Do you?

Show everyone how to use Google Voice, WhatsApp, Signal, or any other
popular messaging, VoIP, or video conferencing app *without* logging
in. We'll all wait. : )

> You whooshed

Projection, as usual. You're not fooling anyone.

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On 2023-03-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-03-22 20:18, knuttle wrote:
>> On 3/22/2023 11:12 PM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> Are you saying you can use Google Voice without a Google ID?
>>>
>>> Show us all how.
>>
>> Why don't you read what he actually said before showing that you
>> didn't? He never said what your idiotic brain thinks he said.
>> Asshole.
>
> Why don't you tell us all what you're claiming he said?
>
> Oops.

Like a true idiot, he thinks everyone is just as dumb as he is. So he
thinks this is some sort of "gotcha". ; )

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