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Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while Google Voice does not?

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by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:58 UTC

Why does FaceTime & iMessage require constant repetitive logging in,
while Google Voice, Safari, the App Store & iOS upgrades do not?

Despite multiple daily nagging by Apple to repeatedly confirm my Apple ID
on the Apple mothership tracking servers, I have refused for years
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple requires frequent login!

Eventually Apple locked me out, unilaterally, of Facetime & iMessage.
That's no loss whatsoever, but the experimental results are what matter.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!

It's clear that you must repeatedly sign into Apple mothership tracking
servers in order to use some of the more trackable apps, which is shown.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Note that you're logged in which is shown by the fact you can update iOS.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

An example of something similar to iMessage is Google Voice, which, let's be
very clear, does NOT require us to do what Apple's iMessage requires of us.

Why is that?

*Why does iMessage require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
--
If you ask any adult question of an iKook, expect a child-like response.

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by: Alan - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 03:03 UTC

On 2023-03-22 19:58, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Why does FaceTime & iMessage require constant repetitive logging in,
> while Google Voice, Safari, the App Store & iOS upgrades do not?

You're lying or ignorant...

....or more likely, both:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZzWeExnDV51B_Ulb76WUzlPaeRXSQXci/view?usp=share_link>

Looks like it wanted me to be signed into Google, doesn't it...

....Asshole.

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by: Thomas E. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:59 UTC

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:57:54 PM UTC-4, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Why does FaceTime & iMessage require constant repetitive logging in,
> while Google Voice, Safari, the App Store & iOS upgrades do not?
>
> Despite multiple daily nagging by Apple to repeatedly confirm my Apple ID
> on the Apple mothership tracking servers, I have refused for years
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple requires frequent login!
>
> Eventually Apple locked me out, unilaterally, of Facetime & iMessage.
> That's no loss whatsoever, but the experimental results are what matter.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
>
> It's clear that you must repeatedly sign into Apple mothership tracking
> servers in order to use some of the more trackable apps, which is shown.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
>
> Note that you're logged in which is shown by the fact you can update iOS.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
> <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
> <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
> <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
> <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
> <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...
>
> However, you _must_ periodically log into other Apple mothership trackers..
> <https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login
> <https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers
> <https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
> <https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
> <https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
> <https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
> <https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails
> <https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
> <https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud
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> An example of something similar to iMessage is Google Voice, which, let's be
> very clear, does NOT require us to do what Apple's iMessage requires of us.
>
> Why is that?
>
> *Why does iMessage require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> --
> If you ask any adult question of an iKook, expect a child-like response.

WTF? I have had an Apple phone for about 5 years now and have NEVER been asked to logon for iMessage send or receive.

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by: -hh - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:03 UTC

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:59:04 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:57:54 PM UTC-4, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> > Why does FaceTime & iMessage require constant repetitive logging in,
> > while Google Voice, Safari, the App Store & iOS upgrades do not?
> >
> > Despite multiple daily nagging by Apple to repeatedly confirm my Apple ID
> > on the Apple mothership tracking servers, I have refused for years
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple requires frequent login!
> >
> > Eventually Apple locked me out, unilaterally, of Facetime & iMessage.
> > That's no loss whatsoever, but the experimental results are what matter..
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
> >
> > It's clear that you must repeatedly sign into Apple mothership tracking
> > servers in order to use some of the more trackable apps, which is shown..
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> >
> > Note that you're logged in which is shown by the fact you can update iOS.
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...
> >
> > However, you _must_ periodically log into other Apple mothership trackers.
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud
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> > <https://i.postimg.cc/1RjnKr8S/mothership15.jpg> Welcome & Get Started
> >
> > An example of something similar to iMessage is Google Voice, which, let's be
> > very clear, does NOT require us to do what Apple's iMessage requires of us.
> >
> > Why is that?
> >
> > *Why does iMessage require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
> > <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> > --
> > If you ask any adult question of an iKook, expect a child-like response..
>
> WTF? I have had an Apple phone for about 5 years now and have NEVER been asked to logon for iMessage send or receive.

Don't feed the troll.

-hh

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by: Thomas E. - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:20 UTC

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 8:03:59 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:59:04 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:57:54 PM UTC-4, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> > > Why does FaceTime & iMessage require constant repetitive logging in,
> > > while Google Voice, Safari, the App Store & iOS upgrades do not?
> > >
> > > Despite multiple daily nagging by Apple to repeatedly confirm my Apple ID
> > > on the Apple mothership tracking servers, I have refused for years
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple requires frequent login!
> > >
> > > Eventually Apple locked me out, unilaterally, of Facetime & iMessage.
> > > That's no loss whatsoever, but the experimental results are what matter.
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
> > >
> > > It's clear that you must repeatedly sign into Apple mothership tracking
> > > servers in order to use some of the more trackable apps, which is shown.
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> > >
> > > Note that you're logged in which is shown by the fact you can update iOS.
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...
> > >
> > > However, you _must_ periodically log into other Apple mothership trackers.
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/9XtgRz0y/mothership01.jpg> Apple forces periodic login
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/q73jkvWh/mothership02.jpg> into its mothership trackers
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/7hmNBGJc/mothership03.jpg> Safari & Chrome work fine
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/GhmK4QZ1/mothership04.jpg> So does Youtube work fine
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/vBv7BghB/mothership05.jpg> No problem with web pages
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/xjtyVmqp/mothership06.jpg> The walled garden fails
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/ht79m3sN/mothership07.jpg> iMessage walled garden fails
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/5tBL7YZ3/mothership08.jpg> FaceTime walled garden fails
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/Y09FCXjn/mothership09.jpg> App Store works mostly fine
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/tC869Nbk/mothership10.jpg> App Store installs apps
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/FKVkgtLC/mothership11.jpg> But it won't do iCloud
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/BbX80XwR/mothership12.jpg> 1Blocker Ad Blocker IPA
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/Dy4Wp4GX/mothership13.jpg> Get 1Blocker Ad Blocker
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/Dy4Wp4GX/mothership13.jpg> Open 1Blocker Ad Blocker
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> > >
> > > An example of something similar to iMessage is Google Voice, which, let's be
> > > very clear, does NOT require us to do what Apple's iMessage requires of us.
> > >
> > > Why is that?
> > >
> > > *Why does iMessage require constant logging in, while GV does not?*
> > > <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> > > --
> > > If you ask any adult question of an iKook, expect a child-like response.
> >
> > WTF? I have had an Apple phone for about 5 years now and have NEVER been asked to logon for iMessage send or receive.
> Don't feed the troll.
>
>
> -hh

He seems to thrive on very little food of substance.

Subject	Author
Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while Google Voice does	Andy Burnelli
Why does Arlen have to spam the same arguments across multiple posts?	Alan
Re: Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while	Thomas E.
Re: Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while	-hh
Re: Why do iMessage & Facetime require constant logging in, while	Thomas E.