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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:01 UTC

Andy Burns wrote:

>> Does Google _also_ make 2FA/2SV permanent?
>
> No, you can turn it off.

That means, if Andy Burns is correct (and he almost always is), that yet
again, nospam brazenly fabricated that the reason Apple won't let you ever
turn off 2FA was because Apple was forced to do so by Google, is dead wrong.

Hence, nospam's brazen claim that Apple has no free will is also dead wrong.

*Every time the iKooks _hate_ what Apple does, they fabricate why.*

It seems the iKooks _hate_ Apple for what Apple really is.
*But why are iKooks always making excuses for flaws they _hate_ about Apple?*

Why else would nospam fabricate so brazenly (and oh, so confidently) that
Google also makes the 2FA/2SV _permanent_ like Apple does?

It's a classic DK left of the first quartile trait to be so very wrong,
and yet, the iKooks are so very _confident_ in being so very wrong.

Having worked in high tech for decades in the Silicon Valley, people who are
almost always dead wrong and yet so confident in being dead wrong, couldn't
last a single day.

It's yet more evidence for what I have observed over the years about iKooks:
a. They have no education whatsoever
b. They have very low IQs
c. They have such low self esteem they hate that Apple lied to them.

So to compensate for Apple's lies, they lie.

nospam claimed brazenly & confidently Google 2FA/2SV is permanent.
Why are iKooks always making excuses for flaws they _hate_ about Apple?

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Subject: Re: Is 2FA/2SV permanent the instant you set it up for a Google Account?
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:18 UTC

Richmond wrote:

> I've had it switched on since 2014 and there is an option to switch it
> off in the google account settings. (I am not going to try it though).

Thank you for confirming this, as did Andy Burns (whom I've never found to
ever be wrong on any material fact), particularly as I don't use 2FA/2SV.

The reason I asked is that when the topic came up in the Apple newsgroups,
the nospam iKook brazenly claimed that it was permanent for Google in
defense of his (now known to be fabricated excuse) of why Apple's will never
allow you to turn it off once the short trial period has expired.

It's the leftmost set of people in the Dunning-Kruger quartile who do what
nospam just did, and what he _repeatedly_ does with oh, so much confidence.

a. They derive most of their self esteem from Apple advertisements
b. Hence, when Apple flaws exist, they are _desperate_ to deny they exist
c. Which, in this case was why nospam claimed Google's 2SV/2FA was permanent

Each fact the iKooks _hate_ about Apple, they first brazenly deny it.
When it's no longer deniable they blame Google for "making" Apple do it.
When that is no longer deniable, they turn into instant kindergarten kids.

Why this is important is that most people think the iKooks exist simply
because Apple products are different, but that's _not_ the reason.

Linux products are different. Android is different from Windows.
No.

The reason iKooks exist is this, which I realized after long study:
a. All the iKooks own a substandard IQ
b. Their brains can't separate fact from propaganda

The propaganda feeds them that Apple can do no wrong, which they believe.
Hence, when Apple does do them wrong, they _hate_ Apple for lying to them.

Their entire belief system was a figment of Apple's propaganda, not facts.
Hence, every fact about Apple instantly _destroys_ their imaginary beliefs!

Facts are _dangerous_ to the iKooks.
That's why they all, to a man, _hate_ all facts about Apple products.

The childish way the iKooks deal with facts is simply to deny they exist.
Child: Santa exists.
Adult: No it doesn't.
Child: But I saw him at the mall.
Adult: That was just a man dressed as Santa.
Child: No. It _was_ Santa.
Adult: Unfortunately, Santa is just a marketing gimmick.
Child: Liar! Liar... Liar... Pants on fire!

It's what makes them iKooks.
I have never met such strange people in the flesh in my entire life.
--
The problem with low IQ people like nospam isn't that they're incredibly
stupid, but that they believe everything that they are fed by marketing.

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Subject: Re: Is 2FA/2SV permanent the instant you set it up for a Google Account?
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:22 UTC

Ant wrote:

> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915 -- "Can I turn off two-factor
> authentication after I???ve turned it on?
>
> If you already use two-factor authentication, you can no longer turn it
> off.

Thanks Ant for being an _adult_ by referencing what the Apple 2FA lawsuit
was all about, where I expressly kept the iKooks _off_ the newsgroup list
because iKooks brazenly deny all that they _hate_ about Apple, without ever
even clicking on the provided links.

They deny all they _hate_ about Apple just because they hate what Apple does
(because what Apple does is never what Apple _says_ it does).

No other reason.

The iKooks even brazenly deny what even Apple openly admits - which is the
fact that Apple's 2FA _is_ permanent. Once you're on, you can't get off.

You're _locked_ into whatever rules Apple wants you to be locked into.
As the judge said: It's your fault for "installing the software".

The question here is only whether Google pulls the same sleazy move as Apple
did.

Specifically, the question here is whether Google's 2FA/2SV is permanent
(as nospam seems to be claiming elsewhere but without even a single cite).

Since the iKooks are almost always wrong, I just wanted to check with the
adults as to whether Google also pulls the sleazy moves that Apple did.

Did they?
Did anyone here ever try to get _off_ of Google's 2FA/2SV?

What happened?
Did Google allow you to get _off_ of 2FA/2SV if you don't want it anymore?
--
Usenet is a team sport where each of us pitches in to help all the others.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:34 UTC

WaltS48 wrote:

>> i.e., If you accept it, can you _never_ back out (ever!) for any reason?
>
> https://www.arcamax.com/thefunnies/rhymeswithorange/

Hehhehheh... that image is hilariously apropos to 2FA/2SV!
<https://resources.arcamax.com/newspics/224/22406/2240671.gif>

I'm not on Usenet for amusement, but for three reasons only:
1. To learn
2. To teach
3. To understand

While amusement isn't on my list, that image was germane to the topic.

However, in summary, this appears to be the _facts_ of the matter:
A. The iKooks fabricated the excuse that Google 2SV/2FA was permanent.
B. Simply because they _hate_ that Apple marketing lied to them (again).

FACT:
a. With iOS, you're _locked_ into 2FA permanently (after a short period).
b. With Google, you're not.

As the judge clearly said (paraphrased), it's your own fault for saying yes.
--
I don't care all child-like low-IQ iKooks are uneducated & of low self
esteem; but due to that, they feel the need to fabricate excuses for Apple.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:48 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:

> As the judge clearly said (paraphrased), it's your own fault for saying yes.

For those like Alan Baker who brazenly denied the Judge said that, here is
the link from a recent court case (which, ironically Apple won, by the way).
*Apple 2FA Case Dismissed by California Federal Court*
<https://securitycurrent.com/no-good-deed-apple-2fa-case-dismissed-by-california-federal-court/>

Not only did Alan Baker brazenly claim that link didn't say what it clearly
says, but Alan Baker also brazenly claimed that the link doesn't even exist.

What makes these very strange iKooks so different is not that they are
proponents for an operating system, since many people like Linux,
Android,and Windows.

No.
What makes the iKooks so different isn't the hardware at all.

What makes iKooks _different_ from normal people is...
a. They derive most (all?) of their self esteem from Apple advertisements
b. Hence, when Apple flaws exist, they are _desperate_ to deny they exist
c. Which, in this case was why nospam claimed Google's 2SV/2FA was permanent
And in this case is why Alan Baker denied the court said what it said.

It's the confluence of these attributes that makes an iKook an iKook:
1. All the iKooks own substandard IQs
2. None of them have an education to speak of
3. They derive most (all?) of their self esteem from what Apple feeds them
4. To the point that they lost the ability to separate fact from propaganda
As a result...
5. All iKooks fabricate Apple functionality for that simply doesn't exist
6. And they formulate kindergarten excuses for every flaw in Apple products
7. To the point that they brazenly deny what even Apple openly admits

The result is that iKooks belief systems are based on exactly _zero_ facts.
a. It's all propaganda
b. And zero actual facts

Fundamentally, facts are _dangerous_ to purely imaginary belief systems.
So they brazenly deny facts even exist to protect their fragile beliefs.

They even deny the facts without even _clicking_ on the links.
Hell, Alan Baker even claimed the links that existed, didn't exist.
And then he claimed what the judge said, wasn't what the judge said.

In all my years in university and in the Silicon Valley startups, I've never
met, in the flesh, people as strange as these interesting iKooks are.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 23:18 UTC

Why do the low IQ iKooks like nospam always lie to cover up Apple's faults?

nospam wrote:

>> You claiming that it was Google who made Apple do it doesn't make that true.
>
> i never said any such thing.

We found the truth and you were so confident, but oh so very dead wrong.
*Is 2FA/2SV permanent the instant you set it up for a Google Account?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/y5qWOLL5R4A>

The answer is nospam was either ignorant, or he lied, as Google does _not_
make 2FA/2SV permanent based on multiple inputs in that thread.

Apple does.
Google doesn't.

Given how confident nospam was in being dead wrong, either
a. nospam was either completely ignorant of what he brazenly claimed,
b. Or, he simply lied (hoping we'd never notice that he lied).
(Pick one.)

> security is very important, and unlike you, both apple and google take
> it very seriously.

Seriously nospam, face it that you have a very low IQ, and just accept it.
a. Yet again you brazenly lied to cover up what you _hate_ about Apple,
b. Or, you simply were oh so confident in what turns out to be dead wrong.
(Pick one.)

>> All I care about is the factual truth.
>
> no you don't. all you care about is lying and trolling.

The way it's obvious you have a very low IQ nospam is that when you're
caught dead wrong, you claim everyone else is lying and trolling.

And yet it was _you_ who claimed Google 2SV/2FA was permanent.
Why?

I don't know why.
I suspect you _hate_ that Apple fucks people with their permanent 2FA.

Nonetheless, you were Dunning Kruger left of the first quartile line.
a. You were so very confident in being so very dead wrong, or,
b. You simply lied, hoping nobody would notice.
(pick one)

You always blame someone else for Apple fucking the customer, nospam.
In this case, you blamed Google - as if Apple has no free will, nospam.
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 23:19 UTC

For the permanent record, we need to document what's so very strange about
these low IQ uneducated child-like low-self-esteem iKooks like nospam is.

Yet again the low IQ iKooks like nospam brazenly lied to cover up what they
_hate_ about Apple, which, in this case, is permanent 2FA.

The low IQ iKook nospam oh so confidently claimed Google did it to.
And yet, he lied.

*2FA issues*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/V-dguRb5om0>

Why?
You tell me why the low IQ iKooks always lie to cover up Apple's faults.

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/V-dguRb5om0/m/YDhAIM_LBQAJ>

What's interesting is the iKooks don't expect anyone to look up their
claims, which means they're all of rather low IQ and quite uneducated.
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