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 by: Nomen Nescio - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:23 UTC

Hi,
is news.mixmin.net working again?
someone is using it without problem?

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 by: SEC3 - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:50 UTC

On 3/27/23 09:23, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Hi,
> is news.mixmin.net working again?
> someone is using it without problem?
>

If I telnet to the server it appears to be working properly. I no longer
see any error messages about throttling.

==========
luser@debian:~$ telnet fleegle.mixmin.net 119
Trying 144.76.182.167...
Connected to fleegle.mixmin.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
200 news.mixmin.net InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.7.0 (20211218
prerelease) ready (posting ok)
quit
205 Bye!
Connection closed by foreign host.

===========

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SEC3

YAMN Help Tutorial - https://www.sec3.net/yamnhelp/

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 by: Anonymous - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 23:50 UTC

Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>is news.mixmin.net working again?
>someone is using it without problem?

TLS on port 119 works, while iSSL on port 563 still fails.

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From: gtay...@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server
Subject: Re: news.mixmin.net question about
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:20:29 -0600
Organization: TNet Consulting
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 by: Grant Taylor - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 00:20 UTC

On 3/27/23 5:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> TLS on port 119 works, while iSSL on port 563 still fails.

Is "iSSL" a reference to "implicit SSL"? Or something else?

If so, does that mean that "eSSL" is a reference to "explicit SSL"?

Also, why "SSL" and not "TLS"?

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Yamn Remailer - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:58 UTC

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 3/27/23 5:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>> TLS on port 119 works, while iSSL on port 563 still fails.
>
>Is "iSSL" a reference to "implicit SSL"? Or something else?

Or you call it NNTPS - very disturbing.

>
>If so, does that mean that "eSSL" is a reference to "explicit SSL"?

Yes, that's where StartTLS is used.

>
>Also, why "SSL" and not "TLS"?

These are more or less synonyms, as long as the mode (im-/explicit) is
specified. Usually TLS refers to the explicit mode initiated with
StartTLS.

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From: gtay...@tnetconsulting.net (Grant Taylor)
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Subject: Re: news.mixmin.net question about
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 11:49:34 -0600
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 by: Grant Taylor - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:49 UTC

On 3/28/23 9:58 AM, Yamn Remailer wrote:
> Or you call it NNTPS - very disturbing.

Appending "S" for the secure (TLS encrypted) counterpart is the standard
that many accept and recommend. E.g. HTTP->HTTPS, POP3->POP3S,
IMAP->IMAPS, and NNTP->NNTPS.

> Yes, that's where StartTLS is used.

I understood the "iSSL" / "eSSL" or "iTLS" / "eTLS". I'd just not seen
it abbreviated that way before.

> These are more or less synonyms, as long as the mode (im-/explicit) is
> specified.

On one level they are synonyms for "encryption". But in many ways they
are quite different when it comes to "level of encryption".

Much like different names; e.g. "Vista" and "Chicago", are synonyms for
Windows, but quite different in versions thereof.

> Usually TLS refers to the explicit mode initiated with StartTLS.

I've never seen that comparison and I would actively discourage it.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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 by: Anonymous - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 18:50 UTC

Grant Taylor wrote:

>On 3/28/23 9:58 AM, Yamn Remailer wrote:
>> Or you call it NNTPS - very disturbing.
>
>Appending "S" for the secure (TLS encrypted) counterpart is the standard
>that many accept and recommend. E.g. HTTP->HTTPS, POP3->POP3S,
>IMAP->IMAPS, and NNTP->NNTPS.

HTTPS, SMTPS and NNTPS are instances of implicit SSL, which roughly
means that SSL/TLS will be the outer most protocol layer of the
connection. The first thing to be sent over the connection is an SSL/TLS
handshake, and all application data will be sent encrypted. That's
different from the more modern explicit *TP + STARTTLS protocol.

>
>> Yes, that's where StartTLS is used.
>
>I understood the "iSSL" / "eSSL" or "iTLS" / "eTLS". I'd just not seen
>it abbreviated that way before.
>
>> These are more or less synonyms, as long as the mode (im-/explicit) is
>> specified.
>
>On one level they are synonyms for "encryption". But in many ways they
>are quite different when it comes to "level of encryption".
>
>Much like different names; e.g. "Vista" and "Chicago", are synonyms for
>Windows, but quite different in versions thereof.
>
>> Usually TLS refers to the explicit mode initiated with StartTLS.
>
>I've never seen that comparison and I would actively discourage it.

It's all over the place:

| INFO: TLS/SSL implicit and explicit modes difference
<https://www.rebex.net/kb/tls-ssl-explicit-implicit/>

| SmartFTP - What is the difference between Implicit TLS and Explicit TLS?
<https://www.smartftp.com/en-us/support/kb/189>

| Explicit Versus Implicit SSL
<https://hstechdocs.helpsystems.com/manuals/globalscape/archive/eft5/admin/explicit_versus_implicit_ssl.htm>

and so on. The only reliable term is implicit vs. explicit, which I took
the liberty to abbreviate.

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