In comp.mobile.android nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> it's not the most expensive smartphone in the market nor is it a posh
> luxury brand.
>
> these are luxury brands:
> <https://www.vertu.com/collections/mobile>
> <http://www.goldvish.com/collection-1>

Apple does have some expensive limited edition phones

https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/11/04/apple-iphone-14-pro-max-130k-dollars/

Although that doesn't happen very often. The Apple management is too
obsessed with control, and that makes them lose the opportunity for
partnerships with other companies.

On 2023-04-11, Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
> On 4/12/2023 12:55 AM, nospam wrote:
>>>
>>> How is it "working" when every other operating system doesn't need
>>> to limit people's choice to almost nothing in terms of apps...
>>
>> more than 2 million apps is not 'almost nothing'.
>
> You know nothing about iOS

Projection. Your inability to acknowledge that billions of people are
doing a whole lot more than "almost nothing" with their Apple devices is
proof that it is *you* who know nothing about iOS.

>>> just to keep the user base from malware (which linux, android &
>>> windows do quite well lately).

They do nowhere near as well as iOS, which is the point.

>> the numbers show the opposite. the nokia threat report (posted
>> yesterday) showed that android had over 50% of malware, windows in
>> second place at 23%, both well above ios which was lumped into
>> 'other' at 3.73%.
>
> Nokia didn't cause Apple to limit the type of iOS apps that are
> available.

Have you always had a hard time with reading comprehension, or is this a
new issue for you?

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On 4/11/2023 7:10 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> It's working just fine. iPhones sell like hotcakes because people love
> them and find them useful, and malware isn't anywhere as big of an issue
> with iOS devices compared to Android devices.

What's funny is only the iOS users trade all their choices to live without
the use of useful software simply because they're afraid of their iPhone.

Nobody on android or linux or windows is so afraid of their computer that
they willfully give up on any freedom of choice to select their own apps.

Just iPhone owners are afraid of having any choices. Nobody else.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 08:26:58 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <X0CdnVDDOZAluqj5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
><j@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> DNG might not be
>> >> perfect, but it is the closest you can get to an open standard for RAW
>> >> files.
>> >
>> > then you'll be happy to know that iphones save photos in dng:
>> >
>> > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211965>
>> > ProRAW uses the industry standard digital negative (DNG) file format,
>> > so you can open ProRAW files with apps that are compatible with DNG
>> > files.
>>
>> That's exactly what I would expect to get when buying the most
>> expensive smartphone in the market from a posh luxury brand.
>
>it's not the most expensive smartphone in the market nor is it a posh
>luxury brand.
>
>these are luxury brands:
><https://www.vertu.com/collections/mobile>
><http://www.goldvish.com/collection-1>

Wow! I had no idea that there were any anywhere near that expensive.

On 4/11/2023 1:14 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Projection. Your inability to acknowledge that billions of people are
> doing a whole lot more than "almost nothing" with their Apple devices is
> proof that it is *you* who know nothing about iOS.

What's clear is only the iOS users trade all their choices to live without
benefit of useful software simply because they're afraid of their iPhone.

On 2023-04-11, J <j@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't they apply the same philosophy of interoperability to
>>> sideloading?
>>
>> Because sideloading opens huge holes for malware.
>
> I would expect those security holes from some cheap OS like Android or
> the now defunct Windows Phones by MS/Nokia. But Apple iOS? They are
> the most expensive brand and have full control of the design of their
> OS. They should have some sandboxing for apps.

They do have sandboxing, *and* they have less malware than Android.
It's almost as if Apple's strategy is working. Huh...

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On 2023-04-11 12:53, Heron wrote:
> On 4/11/2023 7:10 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> It's working just fine. iPhones sell like hotcakes because people love
>> them and find them useful, and malware isn't anywhere as big of an issue
>> with iOS devices compared to Android devices.
>
>
> What's funny is only the iOS users trade all their choices to live without
> the use of useful software simply because they're afraid of their iPhone.
>
> Nobody on android or linux or windows is so afraid of their computer that
> they willfully give up on any freedom of choice to select their own apps.
>
> Just iPhone owners are afraid of having any choices. Nobody else.

Arlen... ...stop making new nyms.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
> Arlen... ...stop making new nyms.

Arlen will never stop making new nyms. He thinks it helps his cause when
“lots of people agree with me”.

Its just more childish nonsense from the iTroll Kiddie.

On 4/11/2023 10:24 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> They do have sandboxing, *and* they have less malware than Android.
> It's almost as if Apple's strategy is working. Huh...

How is it "working" when every other operating system doesn't need to limit
people's choice to almost nothing in terms of apps... just to keep the user
base from malware (which linux, android & windows do quite well lately).

That's not iOS working.
That's iOS being broken.

You have to give up almost all choice with iOS but not with the others.

In article <u13vel$3lt2p$1@news.mixmin.net>, Heron
<McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:

> > They do have sandboxing, *and* they have less malware than Android.
> > It's almost as if Apple's strategy is working. Huh...
>
> How is it "working" when every other operating system doesn't need to limit
> people's choice to almost nothing in terms of apps...

more than 2 million apps is not 'almost nothing'.

> just to keep the user
> base from malware (which linux, android & windows do quite well lately).

the numbers show the opposite.

the nokia threat report (posted yesterday) showed that android had over
50% of malware, windows in second place at 23%, both well above ios
which was lumped into 'other' at 3.73%.

On 11 Apr 2023 18:14:39 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2023-04-11, Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
>> On 4/12/2023 12:55 AM, nospam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How is it "working" when every other operating system doesn't need
>>>> to limit people's choice to almost nothing in terms of apps...
>>>
>>> more than 2 million apps is not 'almost nothing'.
>>
>> You know nothing about iOS
>
>Projection. Your inability to acknowledge that billions of people are
>doing a whole lot more than "almost nothing" with their Apple devices is
>proof that it is *you* who know nothing about iOS.

I don't know what he and you know about iOS, but I know that I know
nothing about it. And I don't want to know any more about it, so if
you want to continue this sub-thread (and especially your arguing), I
would appreciate it if you would both remove comp.mobile.android from
your posts.

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 13:54:28 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2023-04-11 12:53, Heron wrote:
>> On 4/11/2023 7:10 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> It's working just fine. iPhones sell like hotcakes because people love
>>> them and find them useful, and malware isn't anywhere as big of an issue
>>> with iOS devices compared to Android devices.
>>
>>
>> What's funny is only the iOS users trade all their choices to live without
>> the use of useful software simply because they're afraid of their iPhone.
>>
>> Nobody on android or linux or windows is so afraid of their computer that
>> they willfully give up on any freedom of choice to select their own apps.
>>
>> Just iPhone owners are afraid of having any choices. Nobody else.
>
>Arlen... ...stop making new nyms.

Yes, you made a great post! Always tell trolls what to do, because
they always do whatever they are told to do,

More seriously, please do *not* reply to trolls. Doing so does nothing
but clutter up the newsgroup.

On 2023-04-11 18:31, Ken Blake wrote:

> More seriously, please do *not* reply to trolls. Doing so does nothing
> but clutter up the newsgroup.

+1

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On 2023-04-11 03:22, Minoru Osaka wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 02:51:53 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> Why don't they apply the same philosophy of interoperability to
>>> sideloading?
>>
>> Because sideloading opens huge holes for malware.
>
> Explain why it's normal for every operating system to allow users to load
> software from wherever they want to get it from (mac, linux, windows,
> android) except for only one operating system where it's suddenly risky?

It's risky anywhere.

>
> Why is it only ios that has a huge malware problem from sideloading apps?

False assumption.

On 2023-04-11 09:42, Heron wrote:
> On 4/12/2023 12:55 AM, nospam wrote:
>>> How is it "working" when every other operating system doesn't need to
>>> limit
>>> people's choice to almost nothing in terms of apps...
>>
>> more than 2 million apps is not 'almost nothing'.
>
> You know nothing about iOS if you don't know how limited iOS app choice is
> compared to the vast choice of Android which includes not only the Google
> Play Store (which has far more variety than iOS has) but also sideloading.
>
>>> just to keep the user
>>> base from malware (which linux, android & windows do quite well lately).
>>
>> the numbers show the opposite.
>> the nokia threat report (posted yesterday) showed that android had over
>> 50% of malware, windows in second place at 23%, both well above ios
>> which was lumped into 'other' at 3.73%.
>
> Nokia didn't cause Apple to limit the type of iOS apps that are available.
>
> If people want an app then a developer wrote it & it's for them on Android.
> If Apple doesn't like it - it's not a choice on iOS even if people want it.

That's called differing priorities.

AJL wrote:

>>I don't use Chrome as an operating system so may I ask if Chrome also
>>limits the applications that are available to you
>
> Yup. To the Play Store.

Chrome uses the exact same debilitating crippling concept that iOS uses.
The problem with that is the best apps are NOT in the Play Store, IMHO.

For example, Chrome and iOS share the same crippling of apps, where the
_best_ apps on the planet will _never_ be offered to the users, such as:

*NewPipe* by Schabi (FOSS YouTube client)
<https://newpipe.net/>

>>And is that approved subset missing huge functional areas
>
> Dunno. I haven't tried all the millions of apps available yet.

Chrome uses the exact same debilitating crippling concept that iOS uses.

Try to find the official Tor Browser, or, oh, say, Ungoogled Chromium:
*Ungoogled Chromium*
<https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-android>

*Bromite*
<https://www.bromite.org/>
<https://github.com/bromite/bromite>

They do that to restrict your choice - which is fine if you're that type of
person who wants a mothership to lock you inside a prison on your device.

>>If Chrome is also lacking in functional apps, what good is it as an OS?
>
> The only apps I've found Chrome lacking in so far is Usenet newsreaders.
> This one sucks and it's the best I've found so far. But for the average Joe
> the OS likely performs just fine...]

Chrome uses the exact same debilitating crippling concept that iOS uses.
If you've only found one functionality lacking, that simply means you're
like most iOS and Chrome users (they're essentially the same thing).

Most iOS users only play games on their iPhones.
Zero iOS users do wireless debugging, for example.

Given both iOS and Chrome are toy operating systems, for the type of person
who only play games & makes phone calls, those operating systems work fine.

But you can't expect toy operating systems such as iOS & Chrome to do
actual technical work such as spoofing the location, using alternative app
stores, wireless and cellular debugging, automatic call recording, etc.

In summary, both Chrome & iOS use the same debilitating crippling of apps.
Developers are NOT ALLOWED to provide the user the apps they might want.

That's horrible.
But for a Chrome and iOS user, that's NOT horrible.

They actually like being crippled.
Makes no sense to me - but iOS users and Chrome users exist.

So being crippled makes sense... to iOS & to Chrome users.
A crippled device makes them feel safe.

And that's OK.

As long as they comprehend that Chrome & iOS can't do real work.
But not being able to do anything, makes Chrome & iOS users feel safe.

And again, that's OK.
Chrome/iOS users feel safe because the operating system is crippled.

*The crippling of the device... is literally what makes them feel safe.*

Most people on both Chrome & iOS are _afraid_ of the device, so it works
for them; but locking everyone in these choice-restricted prisons isn't for
those people who use the device as something other than to just play games.

On 2023-04-11, Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/2023 10:24 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> They do have sandboxing, *and* they have less malware than Android.
>> It's almost as if Apple's strategy is working. Huh...
>
> How is it "working"

It's working just fine. iPhones sell like hotcakes because people love
them and find them useful, and malware isn't anywhere as big of an issue
with iOS devices compared to Android devices.

> You have to give up almost all choice with iOS but not with the
> others.

More nonsense from Arlen.

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Ken Blake wrote:

> And I wasn't "complaining"about anything. I was simply asking if you
> wanted to argue with him, don't continue to post your arguments about
> iOS to comp.mobile.android. I'm not interested in reading arguments,
> and I'm not interested in reading anything about iOS.

1. Sideloading is not evil - it's what every operating system does.
Except iOS.

2. Ken Blake knows absolutely nothing about iOS or Android.
Worse - Ken Blake can't ever talk about the topic.

3. Jolly Roger and Ken Blake can't talk about the topic.
They both know absolutely nothing about the topic.

Neither Jolly Roger nor Ken Blake added _any_ topical value.
Neither Ken nor Jolly Roger even _understand_ the sideloading topic.

Yet, they post...
So who is the troll...

On 4/3/23 00:49, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> For the permanent Usenet record... and for others to discuss...
>   *Sideloading is not evil* ...in fact... *sideloading is normal*
>
> Bear in mind on the topic of "sideloading", there is only a single
> common consumer operating system that doesn't allow you to go to any
> developer's URL pointing to a package to load it. Only iOS. Just iOS.
> Nobody else.
>
> It needs to be repeated because "sideloading" isn't anything special.
> *No other operating system disallows installing a package by URL but iOS*
>
> The reason I make this point is that sideloading isn't something evel;
> it's not something risky; it's not something special. It's quite normal.
>
> It's only considered "evil" on one consumer operating system & one alone.
>
> We could go into _why_ Apple considers installing an executable by URL
> evil, since it plays into Apple's overall strategy of making money off
> of limiting the consumers' choices - but suffice to say sideloading is
> normal.
>  *Only in one operating system is installing a non-mothership app evil*

Nevertheless, it's not something I'd recommend for most peeps. There
are few apps that people need that cannot be found in Google Play or iOS
App store. I think the last app I had to sideload was Didi Chuxing a
few years back (sometime it just happens - you need a ride in Shanghai).

That said, if you need it you need it and that a big plus for Android.