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Re: Want to check WiFi signal strength over time on your iOS device?

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Subject: Re: Want to check WiFi signal strength over time on your iOS device?
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:19 UTC

Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2022-03-20, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-20 10:50:30 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>
>>>> that video does show a running graph, however, it's not signal
>>>> strength.
>>>
>>> Correct - it's throughput (bandwidth), but it's a running graph and
>>> as you walk around your house, you cam see how it changes according
>>> to your distance from the router.
>>
>> Why did you say it showed a wifi signal strength graph if it didn't do
>> that?
>
> The real question is why you are claiming I said something I never said,
> when anyone here can easily go back and look to see I never claimed the
> app showed a signal strength graph? Stop with the lies, please.
>
>>>> it's very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
>>>> wants, moving or static.
>>>
>>> Of course.
>>
>> What app?
>
> The WiFi Sweetspots app mentioned several times in this thread by others
> before I reminded you of it seems to show a graph of what it wants quite
> easily. It just happens to be a graph of network throughput rather than
> raw signal strength, which I happen to think is just as (if not more)
> useful.

On the original topic of wifi scanners, it's telling that the dumbest iOS
iKooks (Snit, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger) _still_ don't know the difference
between a megabit and a decibel (even after all these years).

They would be hilarious if they all weren't so sadly shockingly stupid.

The fact remains Apple's app store has _zero_ graphical wi-fi ap debuggers.
And the fact remains the app store has _zero_ graphical cellular debuggers.

Why the iKooks think otherwise is due to a confluence of three traits:
a. They are _desperate_ to garner "self esteem" from Apple "superiority"
b. Yet they have too low of an IQ to realize the functionality isn't there
c. Worse, they have no education at all so they fabricate that it exists
--
Note that it's mostly that the iKooks are _desperate_ to garner self esteem
from the supposed superiority of clearly grossly inferior Apple products.

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Subject: Re: Want to check WiFi signal strength over time on your iOS device?
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:19 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> If it's "very easy for an app to show a graph of whatever data source it
>> wants" then what app shows a running graph of ap's wifi signal strength?
>
> the usual trolls have claimed that such an app is impossible on ios
> because apple prohibits it. that claim is false.

And yet, the app you claim is on the app store simply doesn't exist.
--
Note that it's mostly that the iKooks are _desperate_ to garner self esteem
from the supposed superiority of clearly grossly inferior Apple products.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:22 UTC

On 2022-03-22 9:18 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-16, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 'How to check Wi-Fi signal strength on an iPhone
>>>
>>> Install the AirPort Utility from the App Store.
>>>
>>> Open the Settings app and scroll down until you see Airport Utility.
>>> Tap on it, then tap Wi-Fi Scanner to enable this feature.
>>>
>>> How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
>>>
>>> Now run AirPort Utility and you should see a blue Wi-Fi scan option
>>> at the top-right. Tap Scan and you�ll see all the Wi-Fi networks in
>>> range of your iPhone.
>>>
>>> How to check Wi-Fi signal strength
>>>
>>> As continuous scan is the default, the values will change over time.
>>> You can adjust the Scan Duration slider so the results only update
>>> for the period you set.
>>>
>>> Look at the RSSI value of your own network (which may not be top of
>>> the list) and check the value.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.techadvisor.com/how-to/network-wifi/check-wi-fi-signal-strength-3803538/>
>>>
>>>
>>> So that's built-in.
>>
>> Works great.
>
> On the original topic of wifi scanners, it's telling that the dumbest iOS
> iKooks (Snit, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger) _still_ don't know the difference
> between a megabit and a decibel (even after all these years).

We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...

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 by: nospam - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:51 UTC

In article <t1ct3u$fsk$4@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > On the original topic of wifi scanners, it's telling that the dumbest iOS
> > iKooks (Snit, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger) _still_ don't know the difference
> > between a megabit and a decibel (even after all these years).
>
> We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...

not necessarily. it depends what the goal is.

but there isn't a need to manually scan and measure anything since
modern wifi access points can auto-configure, notably mesh units, doing
a much better job than humans can because they can continually adapt as
conditions change, such as a new neighbor adding a new access point.

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 by: sms - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:54 UTC

On 3/22/2022 9:22 AM, Alan wrote:

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> We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...

Who is "we?" Anyone that "knows" that is incorrect.

Mb/s is not the proper metric to use when you're setting up a Wi-Fi
network in large facility like a hotel, convention center, airport,
big-box store, etc., or even a house.

Signal strength is the more important metric since you're trying to set
up a Wi-Fi network that works for a variety of Wi-Fi devices, each of
which contains a different receiver chip and antenna setup. You want to
set things up for maximum signal strength which is not the same as
setting things up for maximum speed.

You can buy a handheld Wi-Fi spectrum analyzer but a flagship Android
phone with 802.11ax,ac,n,a,b/g and use one of the Wi-Fi analyzer apps
(see
<https://www.netspotapp.com/wifi-analyzer/wifi-analyzer-apps-android.html>).

Someone with a big house (or with a large lot if the want outdoor Wi-Fi
coverage) may want to use a Wi-Fi analyzer app in order to best
position, and to minimize the number of wireless routers needed to cover
the property.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:39 UTC

In article <t1d2hb$29m$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Mb/s is not the proper metric to use when you're setting up a Wi-Fi
> network in large facility like a hotel, convention center, airport,
> big-box store, etc., or even a house.

anyone doing that won't be using a phone. they'll have professional
equipment, or they'll use modern hardware that auto-configures.

> Someone with a big house (or with a large lot if the want outdoor Wi-Fi
> coverage) may want to use a Wi-Fi analyzer app in order to best
> position, and to minimize the number of wireless routers needed to cover
> the property.

a much better idea is get a mesh system and let it auto-configure
itself. some include a bundled app, for both ios and android.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 22:06 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> We do know that megabits per second is the actual metric that matters...
>
> not necessarily. it depends what the goal is.

While nospam is right that the subject of this thread says "WiFi Signal
Strength", which is measured in decibels, it's clear that the IQ === 40
iKooks Snit, Jolly Roger, and Alan Baker don't know what a decibel is.

Even Steve knows what a decibel is.
This would be funny if we didn't cover this many times over the years.

That's further evidence that these iKooks are unfathomably stupid people.
a. These iKooks have an incredibly low IQ (Alan Baker & JR can't be over 40)
b. They have no education whatsoever (they don't know what a decibel is)
c. And yet, iKooks garner all their self esteem from fabricating the
imaginary superiority of Apple's crippled iPhones in terms of
their lack of ability to graph wifi signal strength for all visible
access points over time (which _all_ other consumer OS's can do).

Only iOS lacks this capability.
Even Ant knows this.

But not Snit, Jolly Roger, or Alan Baker.
> but there isn't a need to manually scan and measure anything since
> modern wifi access points can auto-configure, notably mesh units, doing
> a much better job than humans can because they can continually adapt as
> conditions change, such as a new neighbor adding a new access point.

The fact remains Apple's app store has _zero_ graphical wi-fi ap debuggers.
And the fact remains the app store has _zero_ graphical cellular debuggers.

All the fabrications in the world by the IQ 40 iKooks can't change that fact
(this hilarious video by Snit underscores how incredibly stupid they are)
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!

Note that nospam seems to have learned, in the intervening years, what the
difference is between a megabit and a decibel, which is why I say his IQ is
at least double that of the 40 IQ iKooks Snit, Alan Baker & Jolly Roger.
--
I don't care iKooks are child-like with a low-IQ, no education & low self
esteem; but due to that, they're so DK confident in always being dead wrong.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 22:28 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Mb/s is not the proper metric to use when you're setting up a Wi-Fi
>> network in large facility like a hotel, convention center, airport,
>> big-box store, etc., or even a house.
>
> anyone doing that won't be using a phone. they'll have professional
> equipment, or they'll use modern hardware that auto-configures.

REFERENCE: Oct 10, 2017, 8:50:05 AM
*It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>

REFERENCE: Oct 13, 2019, 4:42:03 PM
*What freeware graphical Wi-Fi debugging tools do you use on Android*
*& iOS to graph signal strength for available APs over time?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/QlDr3oeZExA>

REFERENCE: Feb 27, 2022, 7:40:43 PM
*One reason iOS is crippled compared to Android*
*is there are no iOS graphical Wi-Fi debuggers*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.system/c/ZnkwZkstzlQ>

REFERENCE: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:26:22
*Want to check WiFi signal strength over time on your iOS device?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.system/c/36qAVc7QXpE/m/-sIXvCTgAwAJ>

The topic of this thread wasn't written by me but by some idiot who
fabricated that apps existed in the Apple App Store to graph Wi-Fi Signal
Strength over time on the iOS platform.

The fact remains Apple's app store has _zero_ graphical wi-fi ap debuggers.
And the fact remains the app store has _zero_ graphical cellular debuggers.

It is worth making the point that _only_ iOS lacks these graphical debuggers
since every other common consumer platform has them (except crippled iOS).

It is also worth noting that the iKooks are so incredibly stupid that they
don't ever learn, even as these _same_ iKooks were on the original threads!

Who is _that_ stupid but these 40 IQ iKooks Snit, Jolly Roger & Alan Baker.

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