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From: nuh...@nope.com (Alan)
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 by: Alan - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 20:32 UTC

'Intel Hires Apple Engineer Who Helped Develop M1 Mac Chips

Jeff Wilson, the former director of Mac system architecture at Apple,
says he plans on creating 'groundbreaking' system-on-chips with Intel.'

<https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-hires-apple-engineer-who-helped-develop-m1-mac-chips>

How can Intel have possibly hired a "director of system architecture"
from Apple...

....when only "iKooks" believe Apple designs their own chips?

How?

And how is it that Intel even NEEDS this man, if they are as far ahead
in CPU design as everyone (except the "iKooks") knows them to be?

How?

And how is it that PC Magazine (of all organizations)...

....and arsTechnica...

....and tom'sHardware...

....and ExtremeTech...

....and Windows Central...

....how is it they must all be staffed with "iKooks" to have fallen for
the idea that Apple is designing industry-leading silicon?

How, I ask... ...how?

Somebody please explain these conundra!

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 by: gtr - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 05:47 UTC

On Apr 22, 2022 at 1:32:26 PM PDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> 'Intel Hires Apple Engineer Who Helped Develop M1 Mac Chips
>
> Jeff Wilson, the former director of Mac system architecture at Apple,
> says he plans on creating 'groundbreaking' system-on-chips with Intel.'
>
> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-hires-apple-engineer-who-helped-develop-m1-mac-chips>
>
> How can Intel have possibly hired a "director of system architecture"
> from Apple...
>
> ...when only "iKooks" believe Apple designs their own chips?
>
> How?
>
> And how is it that Intel even NEEDS this man, if they are as far ahead
> in CPU design as everyone (except the "iKooks") knows them to be?
>
> How?
>
> And how is it that PC Magazine (of all organizations)...
>
> ...and arsTechnica...
>
> ...and tom'sHardware...
>
> ...and ExtremeTech...
>
> ...and Windows Central...
>
> ...how is it they must all be staffed with "iKooks" to have fallen for
> the idea that Apple is designing industry-leading silicon?
>
> How, I ask... ...how?
>
> Somebody please explain these conundra!

In order to understand the question, one has to have mutually understood terms
and "iKooks", particularly in quotes, doesn't qualify.

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From: ithink...@gmail.com (Chris)
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 by: Chris - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:39 UTC

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 'Intel Hires Apple Engineer Who Helped Develop M1 Mac Chips
>
> Jeff Wilson, the former director of Mac system architecture at Apple,
> says he plans on creating 'groundbreaking' system-on-chips with Intel.'
>
> <https://www.pcmag.com/news/intel-hires-apple-engineer-who-helped-develop-m1-mac-chips>
>
> How can Intel have possibly hired a "director of system architecture"
> from Apple...
>
> ...when only "iKooks" believe Apple designs their own chips?
>
> How?
>
> And how is it that Intel even NEEDS this man, if they are as far ahead
> in CPU design as everyone (except the "iKooks") knows them to be?
>
> How?
>
> And how is it that PC Magazine (of all organizations)...
>
> ...and arsTechnica...
>
> ...and tom'sHardware...
>
> ...and ExtremeTech...
>
> ...and Windows Central...
>
> ...how is it they must all be staffed with "iKooks" to have fallen for
> the idea that Apple is designing industry-leading silicon?
>
> How, I ask... ...how?
>
> Somebody please explain these conundra!

It's all a conspiracy to confuse the weak minded. In fact there are no M1
Macs. Apple simply rebadged intel CPUs and rosetta doesn't actually do
anything.

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 by: sms - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 11:39 UTC

On 4/23/2022 12:39 AM, Chris wrote:

<snip>

> It's all a conspiracy to confuse the weak minded. In fact there are no M1
> Macs. Apple simply rebadged intel CPUs and rosetta doesn't actually do
> anything.

No, it's the X86 chips that are just M! chips using code translation to
run the X86 command set.

But seriously, throughout the years Intel has gone in and out of the SOC
business multiple times. I guess that they feel that it's time to try again.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 01:12 UTC

sms wrote:

> But seriously, throughout the years Intel has gone in and out of the SOC
> business multiple times. I guess that they feel that it's time to try again.

Let's look at the facts and ignore the hyperbolic advertising Apple does.
*TSMC SILICON!!!!!!!*

The smartphone makers who don't bother to invest their R&D dollars in a
foundry are held captive to using "someone else's fab", such as TSMC,
Tower/AMD/Global, UMC, SMIC, Samsung, etc. (e.g., Powership, VIS, HHS,
HiTek, Intel, etc.).

Apple is one of those companies who doesn't spend any R&D dollars for a fab.
Samsung isn't.

Apple must buy all their critical technology from others (e.g., ARM,
Qualcomm, etc.) and even then, Apple can't even figure out how to integrate
something as trivial as a modem into their main SOC (even today they can't).

Why?
I don't know why.

I suspect it's because Apple likely spends ten times more on marketing that
they're a design house than actually spending the R&D dollars to _be_ one.

Big deal. *_TSMC SILICON_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* (woo hoo... ... not)
--
Apple is a marketing powerhouse but their design abilities are pitiful.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 04:04 UTC

On 2022-04-23 6:12 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> But seriously, throughout the years Intel has gone in and out of the
>> SOC business multiple times. I guess that they feel that it's time to
>> try again.
>
> Let's look at the facts and ignore the hyperbolic advertising Apple does.
>   *TSMC SILICON!!!!!!!*

Does TSMC design it?

> The smartphone makers who don't bother to invest their R&D dollars in a
> foundry are held captive to using "someone else's fab", such as TSMC,
> Tower/AMD/Global, UMC, SMIC, Samsung, etc. (e.g., Powership, VIS, HHS,
> HiTek, Intel, etc.).
>
> Apple is one of those companies who doesn't spend any R&D dollars for a
> fab.
> Samsung isn't.

Yet Apple's chips are miles better than Samsung's

>
> Apple must buy all their critical technology from others (e.g., ARM,
> Qualcomm, etc.) and even then, Apple can't even figure out how to integrate
> something as trivial as a modem into their main SOC (even today they
> can't).

Apple doesn't buy technology from ARM.

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 by: Lewis - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 09:01 UTC

In message <t42i96$v4h$6@dont-email.me> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> Apple doesn't buy technology from ARM.

Everything the Arlen says is at best 100% wrong, but mostly it is all 100%
lies.

The fact that Apple has kicked Intel's ass thoroughly and decisively
makes the Arlen cry, so S/he/i has to lash out like the petulant toddler
s/he/it is.

--
Because you can't cotton to evil. No Sir. You have to smack evil on
the nose with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad
evil. Bad BAD evil"'

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