Until recently I had

1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK
2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.

The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN cable
and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.

I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
now have:-

Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet --> EG8145V5
<-- Draytek 2820

Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if I
would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.

I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any other
features I might miss?

Any other points?

Dave

On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
> Until recently I had
>
> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK
> 2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.
>
> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN cable
> and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>
> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
> now have:-
>
> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet --> EG8145V5
> <-- Draytek 2820
>
> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if I
> would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.

The 2820s are getting on a bit now. They also don't really have the
throughput to cope with FTTP. Even the 2830 runs out of puff on its
ethernet WAN interface at about 95 Mbps. A 2862 will manage about 400
Mbps with hardware acceleration on. The 2865 will do 950Gbps on WAN2.

If you don't need the xDSL port, then the 29 series are probably better
future proofed on FTTP since they have 2 x 1GBPS giving the option of
FTTP load balancing or failover... (or any other WAN device that
presents on ethernet (or wifi for that matter))

> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any other
> features I might miss?

While I manage a fairly large number of Draytek boxen, I don't know
enough about the Fritz box to comment.

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Cheers,

John.

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On 04/11/2023 14:50, John Rumm wrote:
> On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
>> Until recently I had
>>
>> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK
>> 2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.
>>
>> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
>> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN cable
>> and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>>
>> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
>> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
>> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
>> now have:-
>>
>> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet --> EG8145V5
>> <-- Draytek 2820
>>
>> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if I
>> would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
>> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>
> The 2820s are getting on a bit now. They also don't really have the
> throughput to cope with FTTP. Even the 2830 runs out of puff on its
> ethernet WAN interface at about 95 Mbps. A 2862 will manage about 400
> Mbps with hardware acceleration on. The 2865 will do 950Gbps on WAN2.
>

I just turned on Hardware Acceleration on the 2860. It does not seem to
have improved throughput.

> If you don't need the xDSL port, then the 29 series are probably better
> future proofed on FTTP since they have 2 x 1GBPS giving the option of
> FTTP load balancing or failover... (or any other WAN device that
> presents on ethernet (or wifi for that matter))
>

I can't see me needing the xDSL port. I'll have a look at theses...

>> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any other
>> features I might miss?
>
> While I manage a fairly large number of Draytek boxen, I don't know
> enough about the Fritz box to comment.
>
>
Of course. Thanks for the response.

Dave

On 04/11/2023 15:13, David Wade wrote:
> On 04/11/2023 14:50, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
>>> Until recently I had
>>>
>>> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK
>>> 2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.
>>>
>>> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
>>> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN
>>> cable and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>>>
>>> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
>>> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
>>> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
>>> now have:-
>>>
>>> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet -->
>>> EG8145V5 <-- Draytek 2820
>>>
>>> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if
>>> I would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
>>> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>>
>> The 2820s are getting on a bit now. They also don't really have the
>> throughput to cope with FTTP. Even the 2830 runs out of puff on its
>> ethernet WAN interface at about 95 Mbps. A 2862 will manage about 400
>> Mbps with hardware acceleration on. The 2865 will do 950Gbps on WAN2.
>>
>
> I just turned on Hardware Acceleration on the 2860. It does not seem to
> have improved throughput.

It is only a marginal gain on straightforward routing - but more
noticeable on VPN throughput. I think on my FTTP my 2862vac can manage
about 380Mbps without acceleration, and can just about get to 400 with it.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
> Until recently I had
>
> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK
> 2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.
>
> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN cable
> and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>
> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
> now have:-
>
> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet --> EG8145V5
> <-- Draytek 2820
>
> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if I
> would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>
> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any other
> features I might miss?
>
> Any other points?
>
> Dave

All I can say is that the Draytek I have is simply the best router I
have ever owned.

--
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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 19:24:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
>> Until recently I had
>>
>> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK 2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.
>>
>> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
>> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN cable
>> and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>>
>> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
>> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
>> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
>> now have:-
>>
>> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet --> EG8145V5
>> <-- Draytek 2820
>>
>> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if I
>> would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
>> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>>
>> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any other
>> features I might miss?
>>
>> Any other points?
>>
>> Dave
>
> All I can say is that the Draytek I have is simply the best router I
> have ever owned.

I had a 2860 for about ten years, no problems at all (apart from the very
early days, which they fixed quickly with two fhrmware fixes).

I replaced it with a 2866 as I needed more grunt, and that has been
completely trouble free.

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On 07/11/2023 22:35, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 19:24:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
>>> Until recently I had
>>>
>>> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK 2. an old 2820 at my holiday home.
>>>
>>> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
>>> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN cable
>>> and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>>>
>>> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
>>> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
>>> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
>>> now have:-
>>>
>>> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet --> EG8145V5
>>> <-- Draytek 2820
>>>
>>> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if I
>>> would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
>>> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>>>
>>> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any other
>>> features I might miss?
>>>
>>> Any other points?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> All I can say is that the Draytek I have is simply the best router I
>> have ever owned.
>
> I had a 2860 for about ten years, no problems at all (apart from the very
> early days, which they fixed quickly with two fhrmware fixes).
>
> I replaced it with a 2866 as I needed more grunt, and that has been
> completely trouble free.
>
>
>
>
Thats about where I am now but having done some tests I think I really
need to upgrade both Drayteks that would really mean buying 2 x 2866
which seems quite expensive. For now I am going to try a second
Fritz!Box. Lets see how I get on.

Dave

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> the Draytek I have is simply the best router I have ever owned.

WebUI is pretty clunky and, at times, non-obvious ...

On 08/11/2023 06:49, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> the Draytek I have is simply the best router I have ever owned.
>
> WebUI is pretty clunky and, at times, non-obvious ...

Oh, absolutely, but its streets ahead of some other crap I have dealt
with. At least it (mostly) works.

--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 23:05:26 +0000, David Wade wrote:

> On 07/11/2023 22:35, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 19:24:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
>>>> Until recently I had
>>>>
>>>> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK 2. an old 2820 at my holiday
>>>> home.
>>>>
>>>> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
>>>> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN
>>>> cable and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>>>>
>>>> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
>>>> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
>>>> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
>>>> now have:-
>>>>
>>>> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet -->
>>>> EG8145V5 <-- Draytek 2820
>>>>
>>>> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if
>>>> I would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
>>>> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>>>>
>>>> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any
>>>> other features I might miss?
>>>>
>>>> Any other points?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> All I can say is that the Draytek I have is simply the best router I
>>> have ever owned.
>>
>> I had a 2860 for about ten years, no problems at all (apart from the
>> very early days, which they fixed quickly with two fhrmware fixes).
>>
>> I replaced it with a 2866 as I needed more grunt, and that has been
>> completely trouble free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Thats about where I am now but having done some tests I think I really
> need to upgrade both Drayteks that would really mean buying 2 x 2866
> which seems quite expensive. For now I am going to try a second
> Fritz!Box. Lets see how I get on.

I ended up getting the 2866 and four AP903s - that was a bit painful on
the wallet!

The house is big and has numerous dead spots. And one neighbour has their
router right next to the wall.

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On 08/11/2023 08:36, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 23:05:26 +0000, David Wade wrote:
>
>> On 07/11/2023 22:35, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 19:24:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/11/2023 22:12, David Wade wrote:
>>>>> Until recently I had
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. a Draytek 2862 on FTTC in the UK 2. an old 2820 at my holiday
>>>>> home.
>>>>>
>>>>> The internet in my holiday home is 300Mb FTTP with CG NAT on a Huawei
>>>>> EG8145V5 router. The 2820 connects to the EG8145V5 via 100mb LAN
>>>>> cable and then back to the 2862 via a VPN.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently upgraded my UK setup to Zen FTTP 500/75 and telephony from
>>>>> Voipfone. I installed the ZEN Fritz!Box 7530AX router and set up the
>>>>> 2862 as a so called "DMZ" device. I configured VOIP on the 7530, so I
>>>>> now have:-
>>>>>
>>>>> Draytek 2862 <-- DMZ/NAT --> Fitz!Box 7530AX <-- Internet -->
>>>>> EG8145V5 <-- Draytek 2820
>>>>>
>>>>> Now the 2820 seem to be a bit of a bottleneck, so I was wondering if
>>>>> I would be better replacing it with a newer Draytek, or as they seem
>>>>> cheaper and more widely available a Fritz!Box 7530.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see the Fritz!Box does not have a local DNS. Are there any
>>>>> other features I might miss?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any other points?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is that the Draytek I have is simply the best router I
>>>> have ever owned.
>>>
>>> I had a 2860 for about ten years, no problems at all (apart from the
>>> very early days, which they fixed quickly with two fhrmware fixes).
>>>
>>> I replaced it with a 2866 as I needed more grunt, and that has been
>>> completely trouble free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thats about where I am now but having done some tests I think I really
>> need to upgrade both Drayteks that would really mean buying 2 x 2866
>> which seems quite expensive. For now I am going to try a second
>> Fritz!Box. Lets see how I get on.
>
> I ended up getting the 2866 and four AP903s - that was a bit painful on
> the wallet!
>
> The house is big and has numerous dead spots. And one neighbour has their
> router right next to the wall.
>

Not good. I have some AP902s which may also need replacing.
In the UK not too many dead spots, but in the Holiday home the walls are
around 2ft/60cms thick so there are more deadspots that areas with
coverage....

Dave