How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?

Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
Why they do that?

What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?

Mrde wrote:
> How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
>
> Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
> Why they do that?
>
> What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers

Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_%28web_browser%29

One thing you should realize though, is some of the
more obscure browsers, don't really pass compatibility
tests.

I used to find that with Safari at one time. After about
ten minutes, you'd give up, because of the failure rate
for full rendering. That's probably changed just a wee
bit since then.

I tried Konqueror a while back, and was pleasantly
surprised that it actually passed some tests just fine.

It really depends on how bored you are, as to how many
of these you might test.

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:
> One thing you should realize though, is some of the
> more obscure browsers, don't really pass compatibility
> tests.

True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
occasionally. I don't like the new version though.

Yrrah

On 6/3/21 8:08 AM, this is what Yrrah wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:
>
>> One thing you should realize though, is some of the
>> more obscure browsers, don't really pass compatibility
>> tests.
>
> True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
> problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
> occasionally. I don't like the new version though.
>
> Yrrah
>
Read the alt.comp.software.firefox group and you'll find a large amount of talk about v89 and v90 issues. You have to read down a long
list, and there are plenty of posts. Some have come up with good ideas and good links if you take the replies as proof. At least some
individual issues are fixed.

I don't see anything wrong with it's speed etc, just the bland appearance the thin tiny icons.
I've had to widdle down a rather long userChrome.css file dropping so much that used to work from v57 forward but stopped working in v89.
But I've found good results at least for me.

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On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:26:21 +0200, Mrde wrote:

> How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
>
> Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
> Why they do that?
>
> What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?

I use brave, haven't noticed any problems, but any browser might come
across some oddity.
Developers create and test software on a limited number of platforms.
Years ago this used to be IBM and then Compaq also. Since then things
have improved and there is more consistency.
I imagine web developers test on the MS browsers and maybe Google, so if
you are using a less popular browser you might see a problem here and
there.

Teddy-Bears <Bears@invalid.com>:
> > True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
> > problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
> > occasionally. I don't like the new version though.

> Read the alt.comp.software.firefox group and you'll find
> a large amount of talk about v89 and v90 issues.
>.....

My dear fellow, what gave you the silly idea that I didn't look in
that newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware, various other sources)?

BTW, I removed userChrome.css and more or less got back the old FFx
look.

Yrrah

On 03/06/2021 16:16, Yrrah wrote:
> Teddy-Bears <Bears@invalid.com>:
>
>>> True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
>>> problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
>>> occasionally. I don't like the new version though.
>
>> Read the alt.comp.software.firefox group and you'll find
>> a large amount of talk about v89 and v90 issues.
>> .....
>
> My dear fellow, what gave you the silly idea that I didn't look in
> that newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware, various other sources)?
>
> BTW, I removed userChrome.css and more or less got back the old FFx
> look.

I don't see any difference to 88.0. I can't remember exactly what the
two options were on installing 89.0, but I just clicked on "Not now" to
both. I'm still using the System theme.

Like you, Pale Moon is my default browser, and I keep FF as my reserve
browser for those awkward websites which don't display correctly. I
stopped using it as my default browser when the devs stopped allowing
tabs below the address bar. Yes, it can be corrected, but it shouldn't
be necessary and every update seems to require yet another correction.

--

Jeff

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:26:21 +0200, Mrde wrote:

> How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
>
> Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
> Why they do that?
>
> What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?

Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and the
only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the on/off
button.

On 03/06/2021 18:49, Svenne wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:26:21 +0200, Mrde wrote:
>
>> How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
>>
>> Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
>> Why they do that?
>>
>> What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?
>
> Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and the
> only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the on/off
> button.

Are you sure it's FF which is causing the problem, and not some website
with poorly-written code which keeps accessing memory until it's all used?

--

Jeff

Svenne wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:26:21 +0200, Mrde wrote:
>
>> How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
>>
>> Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
>> Why they do that?
>>
>> What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?
>
> Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and the
> only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the on/off
> button.

I sometimes switch from 64 bit browsers, to 32 bit ones,
to rely on the coincidental limitations on process memory.

There can also be problems with "hardware acceleration", and
you can use "about:config" to find such setting. Adobe Flash
used to have a hardware acceleration setting as well,
and occasionally a user would need to use the in-pane setting
capability to stop that from happening (stop using GPU for
movie acceleration).

A user process, should never be able to drop a computer to
its knees, but... it happens. The more modern the OS, the
higher the odds such a corner condition exists. Especially
with things like containerization, the arch can support
"resource fights" between subsystems, leading to freezes.

Paul

On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:49:25 -0000 (UTC)
Svenne <svenne@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:26:21 +0200, Mrde wrote:
>
> > How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
> >
> > Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
> > Why they do that?
> >
> > What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?
>
> Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and
> the only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the
> on/off button.

I have had programs that just stopped responding and I couldn't shut
them down. Usually if I tried to stop a program three or four times, I
would get a message the program is not responding, and then asked if I
would like to stop it.

You can also open a terminal and type xkill.

I have never ran across anything that stopped me from opening a
terminal.

On 6/3/21 11:16 AM, this is what Yrrah wrote:
> Teddy-Bears <Bears@invalid.com>:
>
>>> True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
>>> problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
>>> occasionally. I don't like the new version though.
>
>> Read the alt.comp.software.firefox group and you'll find
>> a large amount of talk about v89 and v90 issues.
>> .....
>
> My dear fellow, what gave you the silly idea that I didn't look in
> that newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware, various other sources)?
>
> BTW, I removed userChrome.css and more or less got back the old FFx
> look.
>
> Yrrah
>
>
I didn't say you didn't look in that server but just mentioned it in the off case you didn't.

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On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 14:22:29 -0500, Johnny wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:49:25 -0000 (UTC)
> Svenne <svenne@nowhere.com> wrote:

>> Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and the
>> only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the on/off
>> button.
>
> I have had programs that just stopped responding and I couldn't shut
> them down. Usually if I tried to stop a program three or four times, I
> would get a message the program is not responding, and then asked if I
> would like to stop it.
>
> You can also open a terminal and type xkill.

I didn't try to open a terminal, but I had no keyboard control anyway so
I couldn't have typed anything in. My mouse still worked and I could
bring up the menu. clicking on the stop button bought up the shutdown
menu but nothing there responded.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 19:04:30 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

> On 03/06/2021 18:49, Svenne wrote:

>> Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and the
>> only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the on/off
>> button.
>
> Are you sure it's FF which is causing the problem, and not some website
> with poorly-written code which keeps accessing memory until it's all
> used?

I'm pretty sure it's Firefox, the problem started a few days ago when I
installed the latest version. Both times the problem happened I was using
Youtube.

Svenne wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 14:22:29 -0500, Johnny wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Jun 2021 17:49:25 -0000 (UTC)
>> Svenne <svenne@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>> Since I started using Firefox 89 it's frozen my computer twice and the
>>> only way to get control back again was a cold restart with the on/off
>>> button.
>> I have had programs that just stopped responding and I couldn't shut
>> them down. Usually if I tried to stop a program three or four times, I
>> would get a message the program is not responding, and then asked if I
>> would like to stop it.
>>
>> You can also open a terminal and type xkill.
>
> I didn't try to open a terminal, but I had no keyboard control anyway so
> I couldn't have typed anything in. My mouse still worked and I could
> bring up the menu. clicking on the stop button bought up the shutdown
> menu but nothing there responded.

I use a serial port for debug.

On the boot line, the machine in the corner gets this added
in place of "quiet splash"

console=ttyS0,57600n8

It's harder to set up USB serial ports, because of not
knowing what the address will be. Since the serial port
is on the SuperIO, the address is stable at "S0".

If the screen takes a dirt-nap, the serial port
continues to work.

Paul

On 6/3/21 4:26 AM, Mrde wrote:
> How to remove Firefox 89 and go back to 88?
>
> Firefox 89 need lot RAM and it is very slow.
> Why they do that?
>
> What other web browsers use less resource so I can change?

This help me, maybe help you also!

about:config
browser.proton.enabled ----false

>
> This help me, maybe help you also!
>
> about:config
> browser.proton.enabled ----false

We must disable all proton in about:config to get old look!!!

On 6/4/21 5:50 AM, Mrde wrote:
>>
>> This help me, maybe help you also!
>>
>> about:config
>> browser.proton.enabled ----false
>
> We must disable all proton in about:config to get old look!!!

How to do this in other browsers like chromium, opera, vivaldi...?

On 03/06/2021 18:33, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 03/06/2021 16:16, Yrrah wrote:
>> Teddy-Bears <Bears@invalid.com>:
>>
>>>> True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
>>>> problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
>>>> occasionally. I don't like the new version though.
>>
>>> Read the alt.comp.software.firefox group and you'll find
>>> a large amount of talk about v89 and v90 issues.
>>> .....
>>
>> My dear fellow, what gave you the silly idea that I didn't look in
>> that newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware, various other sources)?
>>
>> BTW, I removed userChrome.css and more or less got back the old FFx
>> look.
>
> I don't see any difference to 88.0. I can't remember exactly what the
> two options were on installing 89.0, but I just clicked on "Not now" to
> both. I'm still using the System theme.

Just noticed slight differences in lack of borders for tabs and slightly
more height to toolbars, but no change to icons AFAICS. I've now
disabled all proton prefs and the appearance is exactly as with 88.0

--

Jeff

On 04.06.2021 at 06:07, Mrde scribbled:

> On 6/4/21 5:50 AM, Mrde wrote:
> >>
> >> This help me, maybe help you also!
> >>
> >> about:config
> >> browser.proton.enabled ----false
> >
> > We must disable all proton in about:config to get old look!!!
>
> How to do this in other browsers like chromium, opera, vivaldi...?

As I understand it, Proton is the new user interface of Mozilla
Firefox. It doesn't have anything to do with Chrome/Chromium, Opera,
Vivaldi, Brave, Pale Moon, Konqueror, Falkon, Epiphany, Dillo, Safari or
whatever.

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= Aragorn =

On 03/06/21 13:08, Yrrah wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:
>
>> One thing you should realize though, is some of the
>> more obscure browsers, don't really pass compatibility
>> tests.
>
> True. Pale Moon is my default browser, but it has a compatibility
> problem with a number of websites. So I still use Firefox
> occasionally. I don't like the new version though.
>
> Yrrah

I also use Pale Moon as my default along with its sister Interlink for
email/newsgroups. I do occasionally have to switch to a backup browser
when a site won't play ball.

On 2021-06-04, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
> On 04.06.2021 at 06:07, Mrde scribbled:
>
>> On 6/4/21 5:50 AM, Mrde wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This help me, maybe help you also!
>> >>
>> >> about:config
>> >> browser.proton.enabled ----false
>> >
>> > We must disable all proton in about:config to get old look!!!

Thanks. I was getting used to the new look, but I didn't particularly like
it.
>> How to do this in other browsers like chromium, opera, vivaldi...?
>
> As I understand it, Proton is the new user interface of Mozilla
> Firefox. It doesn't have anything to do with Chrome/Chromium, Opera,
> Vivaldi, Brave, Pale Moon, Konqueror, Falkon, Epiphany, Dillo, Safari or
> whatever.

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