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by: Wally J - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 09:54 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

>>> upgrading to ios 17 is *optional*. if you don't like the new features,
>>> then don't upgrade to it.
>>>
>>
>> How is it optional? Won�t everyone have to upgrade to it eventually to
>> maintain software support?
>
> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).

Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*

If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*

It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.

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by: candycanearter07 - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:42 UTC

On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>
> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>
> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>
> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.

It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
even Windows does that.
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by: badgolferman - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 15:49 UTC

candycanearter07 wrote:

>On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when
>>>it asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at
>>>whatever version you want. ios developers have multiple devices
>>>with various older versions for testing (which is annoying but
>>>that's how it is).
>>
>>Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about
>>Apple*
>>
>>If you want to be fully supported *you must upgrade from iOS 16 to
>>17*
>>
>>It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this
>>basic fact.
>
>It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>even Windows does that.

The only time Windows is used as an example in this newsgroup is as a
bad example or to blame them for what Apple is doing.

--
"A zebra does not change its spots." ~ Al Gore

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by: Alan Browne - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:03 UTC

On 2023-09-20 10:42, candycanearter07 wrote:

> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

Just costs more to keep the OS up to date if it has to support 32b as
well as 64b. So the runtime is larger, s/w testing is longer, etc. and
so on.

Apple transitioned from 32 to 64 over a period of 4 years beginning 10
years ago this month (iOS 7)[1]. More than enough time for app
developers to catch up. (In most cases it was just a re-compile
exercise, and in the rest easy enough to make required changes).

MacOS hung in there a little longer... to 2018 or 19.

Apple has long led the market in pruning out of date/dying technology to
strengthen the rest - whether h/w or s/w.

[1] Test/beta versions came out earlier of course.
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by: Chris - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:48 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>
>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>
>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>
>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.
>
> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.

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by: Alan Browne - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:07 UTC

On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>>
>>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>>
>>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>>
>>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.
>>
>> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>> even Windows does that.
>
> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.

Will it run a 32bit app?

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by: Alan - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:41 UTC

On 2023-09-20 07:42, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>
>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>
>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>
>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic
>> fact.
>
> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

What do you mean "arbitrarily"?

Apple provides an up-to-date OS for devices up to 6 years old, and you
have no idea how much (or how little) effort it takes to make that happen.

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by: Alan - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:41 UTC

On 2023-09-20 08:49, badgolferman wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when
>>>> it asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at
>>>> whatever version you want. ios developers have multiple devices
>>>> with various older versions for testing (which is annoying but
>>>> that's how it is).
>>>
>>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about
>>> Apple*
>>>
>>> If you want to be fully supported *you must upgrade from iOS 16 to
>>> 17*
>>>
>>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this
>>> basic fact.
>>
>> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>> even Windows does that.
>
> The only time Windows is used as an example in this newsgroup is as a
> bad example or to blame them for what Apple is doing.
>

Are you sure you're not Arlen?

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by: candycanearter07 - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 18:55 UTC

On 9/20/23 13:41, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 08:49, badgolferman wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> The only time Windows is used as an example in this newsgroup is as a
>> bad example or to blame them for what Apple is doing.
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> Are you sure you're not Arlen?

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by: Alan Browne - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 23:28 UTC

On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>
>> Will it run a 32bit app?
>>
>
> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.

Which means its tiny on evolving.

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by: Alan - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 23:40 UTC

On 2023-09-20 16:28, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>>
>>> Will it run a 32bit app?
>>>
>>
>> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.
>
> Which means its tiny on evolving.
>

What is really amusing is that Apple started the Mac with the 32-bit
Motorola 68000 processor...

....then transitioned to the M68030...

....while maintaining backwards compatibility...

....then transition to the PowerPC architecture...

....while maintaining backwards compatibility...

....then the Intel x86 architecture...

....while maintaining backwards compatibility...

....and finally (currently) to the Apple Silicon architecture...

....while maintaining backwards compatibility.

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by: Alan Browne - Wed, 20 Sep 2023 23:54 UTC

On 2023-09-20 19:40, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 16:28, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>>>
>>>> Will it run a 32bit app?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.
>>
>> Which means its tiny on evolving.
>>
>
> What is really amusing is that Apple started the Mac with the 32-bit
> Motorola 68000 processor...
>
> ...then transitioned to the M68030...
>
> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>
> ...then transition to the PowerPC architecture...
>
> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>
> ...then the Intel x86 architecture...
>
> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>
> ...and finally (currently) to the Apple Silicon architecture...
>
> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility.

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208436

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by: Alan - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:04 UTC

On 2023-09-20 16:54, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 19:40, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 16:28, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will it run a 32bit app?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.
>>>
>>> Which means its tiny on evolving.
>>>
>>
>> What is really amusing is that Apple started the Mac with the 32-bit
>> Motorola 68000 processor...
>>
>> ...then transitioned to the M68030...
>>
>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>
>> ...then transition to the PowerPC architecture...
>>
>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>
>> ...then the Intel x86 architecture...
>>
>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>
>> ...and finally (currently) to the Apple Silicon architecture...
>>
>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility.
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208436
>

"Apple began transitioning to 64-bit hardware and software technology
for Mac over a decade ago"

In an article posted in 2020.

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by: Alan Browne - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:12 UTC

On 2023-09-20 20:04, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 16:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 19:40, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 16:28, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will it run a 32bit app?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.
>>>>
>>>> Which means its tiny on evolving.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is really amusing is that Apple started the Mac with the 32-bit
>>> Motorola 68000 processor...
>>>
>>> ...then transitioned to the M68030...
>>>
>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>
>>> ...then transition to the PowerPC architecture...
>>>
>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>
>>> ...then the Intel x86 architecture...
>>>
>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>
>>> ...and finally (currently) to the Apple Silicon architecture...
>>>
>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208436
>>
>
> "Apple began transitioning to 64-bit hardware and software technology
> for Mac over a decade ago"

Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
would run them).

Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.

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- John Maynard Keynes.

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by: Alan - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:23 UTC

On 2023-09-20 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 20:04, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 16:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 19:40, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-20 16:28, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will it run a 32bit app?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means its tiny on evolving.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is really amusing is that Apple started the Mac with the 32-bit
>>>> Motorola 68000 processor...
>>>>
>>>> ...then transitioned to the M68030...
>>>>
>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>>
>>>> ...then transition to the PowerPC architecture...
>>>>
>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>>
>>>> ...then the Intel x86 architecture...
>>>>
>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>>
>>>> ...and finally (currently) to the Apple Silicon architecture...
>>>>
>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility.
>>>
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208436
>>>
>>
>> "Apple began transitioning to 64-bit hardware and software technology
>> for Mac over a decade ago"
>
> Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
> would run them).
>
> Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.
>

Sure. So?

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by: nospam - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:27 UTC

In article <uef0cr$2vh1n$2@dont-email.me>, candycanearter07
<no@thanks.net> wrote:

>
> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
> devices forward.

it's not arbitrary.

> The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
> even Windows does that.

no they couldn't. the arm 32bit and 64bit instruction sets are
different. apple added 64 bit with the a7, the first 64 bit arm chip
and could run either 32 or 64 bit, they eventually removed 32 bit with
the a11.

that means for any device with an a11 or later, it's impossible to run
32 bit apps because the instructions are simply not there anymore.

it also means the space on the chip that the 32 bit instruction support
used can now be purposed for more advanced tasks, such as the neural
engine.

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by: nospam - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:27 UTC

In article <ueg1b3$35k5d$2@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>
> "Apple began transitioning to 64-bit hardware and software technology
> for Mac over a decade ago"
>
> In an article posted in 2020.

the first mac with 64 bit was the powermac g5 way back in 2003, with
initial support in mac os 10.3/panther (although somewhat limited).

the intel transition put a bump into things because the core duo chips
were 32 bit, however, within a year or so, they were replaced with core
2 duo.

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by: candycanearter07 - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:52 UTC

On 9/20/23 19:23, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>> Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
>> would run them).
>>
>> Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.
>>
>
> Sure. So?

So consumers want to be able to use older apps?
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by: Alan - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:58 UTC

On 2023-09-20 19:52, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/20/23 19:23, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
>>> would run them).
>>>
>>> Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.
>>>
>>
>> Sure. So?
>
> So consumers want to be able to use older apps?

Do they?

Do they really?

Show your work.

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by: Chris - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:10 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/20/23 04:54, Wally J wrote:
>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
>>>>> nope. there is no requirement to upgrade nor is it forced. when it
>>>>> asks to confirm the upgrade, decline it. you can remain at whatever
>>>>> version you want. ios developers have multiple devices with various
>>>>> older versions for testing (which is annoying but that's how it is).
>>>>
>>>> Yet again... *iKooks are completely ignorant of everything about Apple*
>>>>
>>>> If you want to be fully supported *you _must_ upgrade from iOS 16 to 17*
>>>>
>>>> It's not surprising that nospam is completely ignorant of this basic fact.
>>>
>>> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>>> devices forward. The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>>> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>>> even Windows does that.
>>
>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>
> Will it run a 32bit app?

Maybe?

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by: Your Name - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:23 UTC

On 2023-09-21 02:52:10 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
> On 9/20/23 19:23, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
>>> would run them).
>>>
>>> Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.
>>
>> Sure. So?
>
> So consumers want to be able to use older apps?

Most consumers couldn't care less. As long as the computer can easily
run an email app, a web browser, and some sort of word processor and
spreadsheet, they're happy. Mostly it is whatever software that comes
free / bundled with the computer.

Businesses that use custom apps may need to be able to run older
software, but most businesses users don't care either - they just buy
new equipment and new software, and write it off their taxes as a
"business expense".

A tiny minority of people that want to keep using old apps are the only
ones who even know such a problem even exists.

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by: Alan Browne - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 12:21 UTC

On 2023-09-20 20:23, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-09-20 20:04, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 16:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-20 19:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-20 16:28, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-09-20 14:56, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/20/23 13:07, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-20 13:48, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nope. Windows 11 is 64b only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will it run a 32bit app? [AAA]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably. Windows is big on backwards compatibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which means its tiny on evolving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is really amusing is that Apple started the Mac with the
>>>>> 32-bit Motorola 68000 processor...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...then transitioned to the M68030...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...then transition to the PowerPC architecture...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...then the Intel x86 architecture...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and finally (currently) to the Apple Silicon architecture...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...while maintaining backwards compatibility.
>>>>
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT208436
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Apple began transitioning to 64-bit hardware and software technology
>>> for Mac over a decade ago"
>>
>> Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
>> would run them).
>>
>> Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.
>>
>
> Sure. So?

Not exactly "Mr. Following the context of the sub-thread." are you?
[AAA] above.

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by: Alan Browne - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 12:39 UTC

On 2023-09-20 20:27, nospam wrote:
> In article <uef0cr$2vh1n$2@dont-email.me>, candycanearter07
> <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't arbitrarily move the supported
>> devices forward.
>
> it's not arbitrary.
>
>> The ONLY one I think was justified was the 32 bit
>> cutoff, but they still could've very easily made a 32b version. Hell,
>> even Windows does that.
>
> no they couldn't. the arm 32bit and 64bit instruction sets are

Not impossible - just very undesirable.

You can segregate processes so 32b code will run on a 64b OS on ARM.

But it means all libraries for the 32b code be installed as well as the
64b versions. Lots of code storage and a segregated section of RAM to
load and run them as well. And some sort of 'tween interface for IO as
that would all be on the 64b side.

Very messy.

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by: Alan Browne - Thu, 21 Sep 2023 12:50 UTC

On 2023-09-20 22:58, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-20 19:52, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/20/23 19:23, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 17:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> Regardless, 32b apps are dead in Mac OS now (last OS was Mojave that
>>>> would run them).
>>>>
>>>> Windows 10 still runs 32b apps; Win 11 too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. So?
>>
>> So consumers want to be able to use older apps?
>
> Do they?
>
> Do they really?
>
> Show your work.

I do have a legacy photo slideshow program that I like running under
WinXP in a virtual container. It also runs under Win10 (tested by me)
and I assume under Win11 (not tested by me).

I haven't found a photo slideshow presenter that works quite like it for
Mac to date. (With LViewPro I can generate lists separately into txt
files for presentation order. So I've written a program to do that for
me depending on criteria I select or generate random order slideshows.)

--
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- John Maynard Keynes.

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computers / comp.sys.mac.advocacy / Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features

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Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Wally J
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	candycanearter07
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	badgolferman
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	candycanearter07
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Chris
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	candycanearter07
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	candycanearter07
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	candycanearter07
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	candycanearter07
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Your Name
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
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Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
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Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
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Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
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Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan Browne
Re: Fix the Most Annoying iOS 17 Features	Alan
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