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 by: Oscar Mayer - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 03:39 UTC

What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg

Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

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 by: sticks - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 03:55 UTC

On 10/2/2023 10:39 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

A little more info is helpful
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c08626217>

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 by: Stan Brown - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 04:42 UTC

On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
shows the model number I can fill them in:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
OS: Windows 11 Home
Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"

256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)

Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.

But that's just me, based just on the specs and without having tried
this laptop myself. By all means look at other answers. And read the
reviews, if you haven't already. Frankly, they would warn me off of
it.

That said, it's Costco. Your nephew could try it out, and then if he
doesn't like it he can return it -- assuming there's a Costco where
he's going to school.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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 by: Stan Brown - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 04:46 UTC

> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> >
> > What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> > https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg

A more helpful URL:

<https://www.costco.com/hp-14%22-touchscreen-laptop---amd-ryzen-3-
5300u---hd-1366-x-768---windows-11-in-s-mode.product.4000176433.html>

How computer-knowledgeable is your nephew? Probably more so than
people of older generations. If you want to do something nice for his
birthday, rather than buy a machine he might end up returning, why
not write him a check for $250 + sales tax, point him at this ad, and
let _him_ evaluate it? If the specs look good to him, he can buy it;
if not, he can put the money toward something better. At least you
wouldn't be saddling hi with something he'd have the hassle of
returning.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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 by: Paul - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:28 UTC

On 10/2/2023 11:39 PM, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

The device in question might be adequate for some purpose, but
the 1366x768 screen is a hazard. My laptop screen is like that,
and it's a bit cramped. For example, with that big-ass Task Bar,
you don't have a lot of vertical space left. The processor is
a Zen2, which is presumably enough for Windows. A Zen3 might be a
bit better, without climbing higher than a quad core. Both the
processor and the RAM are likely soldered down on the thing.
The storage seems to be an NVMe! (if you believe it, no eMMC for once)

https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c08626217

Here's a review of the Intel-based equivalent. The diff here is
the screen is 1920x1080. The display plastics, look similar to your
find. The base is aluminum-looking here. But this one is 4GB of RAM,
and on W11, that leaves maybe 1.4GB of RAM for the user.

https://www.theverge.com/23677127/hp-14-budget-laptop-review-specs-features-price

The webcam on cheap laptops, tends to be a webcam in name only.
The webcam on my laptop is dark, and you can't really tell what
exactly the camera is looking at. If I were forced to do a Zoom call
on the thing, I would probably have to change the transmitted picture
on my end, to an icon, as the image from the camera would not be
presentable. Surely someone out there, makes a sensor that does
not suck like that.

There's no takeapart for the 14-FQ1003CL , so no way to verify the innards.

Some educational institutions, specify what compute device to provide.
This allows the institution to have some "minimum expectation" for
compute equipment, so if you're in a lab situation, everyone has
adequate kit to use for the lab (like a computer lab writing Hello World
programs).

As for notetaking in class, not all educators allow clicky-clacky
activity while they are lecturing. It sounds like a seagull colony,
when three hundred students type at the same time :-) So just because
you think you'll be notetaking with the thing, there may be exceptions
when a lecturer gets snotty. I'm told that students like the battery
life on these things, and a short battery life gives their machine
"a bad review".

Paul

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On 10/2/23 20:39, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

You pay for what you get. I would not touch it
with a 10 foot pole.

If you want to get him a laptop for college, first
find out from his college what they recommend:
Windows, Linux, or Apple. Then size appropriately.

Also, some cheap laptops have their drives
soldered in. And some expensive ones too. If
memory serves me, Apple is doing that to some
of their models.

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 by: Joel - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:29 UTC

Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

>What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
>Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

The discount seems imaginary to me, the retail price is high. You can
take Win11 out of S mode, but it's still light on storage, light on
specs. I would tend not to recommend it.

--
Joel Crump

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 by: Paul in Houston TX - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:31 UTC

Oscar Mayer wrote:
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

It would be a great machine for sending small emails without
attachments. He/she/it will likely soon give it away or trash it.

This would be much better:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-x14-r1-14-0-144hz-fhd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-512gb-ssd-lunar-light/6502624.p?skuId=6502624

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 by: Char Jackson - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:38 UTC

On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 16:29:50 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
>
>>What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>
>>Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
>
>
>The discount seems imaginary to me, the retail price is high. You can
>take Win11 out of S mode, but it's still light on storage, light on
>specs. I would tend not to recommend it.

Speaking of Win 11 S mode, I was asked to work on a friend's laptop a few weeks
ago. Using a Youtube video, I took it out of S mode, made the necessary repairs,
then I re-enabled S mode before returning it to its owner.

I've heard people say that leaving S mode is a one-way street, but apparently
not.

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 by: Bradley - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:46 UTC

On 10/3/2023 4:29 PM, Joel wrote:
> The discount seems imaginary to me, the retail price is high. You can
> take Win11 out of S mode, but it's still light on storage, light on
> specs. I would tend not to recommend it.

The specs don't mention Windows S mode.
The specs reported so far all say it's Windows 11 Home.

Where's you get the idea it's Windows S mode on this laptop?

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 by: Joel - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:50 UTC

Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

>>You can
>>take Win11 out of S mode
>
>Speaking of Win 11 S mode, I was asked to work on a friend's laptop a few weeks
>ago. Using a Youtube video, I took it out of S mode, made the necessary repairs,
>then I re-enabled S mode before returning it to its owner.
>
>I've heard people say that leaving S mode is a one-way street, but apparently
>not.

At the least, one could use the system restore function, on any
typical device. I've always installed from media, since the first
reinstallation of Windows 2000, but I don't keep much on the system
partition. But that computer with the equivalent of retail Win2000
preinstalled, was the last pre-assembled computer I had.

--
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 by: Joel - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 22:12 UTC

Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:

>> The discount seems imaginary to me, the retail price is high. You can
>> take Win11 out of S mode, but it's still light on storage, light on
>> specs. I would tend not to recommend it.
>
>The specs don't mention Windows S mode.
>The specs reported so far all say it's Windows 11 Home.
>
>Where's you get the idea it's Windows S mode on this laptop?

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c08626217

https://i.imgur.com/zLYJCBV.png

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 by: Paul - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 23:18 UTC

On 10/3/2023 5:31 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
> Oscar Mayer wrote:
>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>
>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
>
> It would be a great machine for sending small emails without attachments.  He/she/it will likely soon give it away or trash it.
>
> This would be much better:
> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-x14-r1-14-0-144hz-fhd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-512gb-ssd-lunar-light/6502624.p?skuId=6502624
>

"the Alienware x14 R1 lasted 5 hours and 32 minutes
on the Laptop Mag battery test which consists of continuous web surfing"

You'd need a gadget to strap that to your hip... so you wouldn't lose it.

Paul

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 by: Paul - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 23:25 UTC

On 10/3/2023 5:50 PM, Joel wrote:
> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> You can
>>> take Win11 out of S mode
>>
>> Speaking of Win 11 S mode, I was asked to work on a friend's laptop a few weeks
>> ago. Using a Youtube video, I took it out of S mode, made the necessary repairs,
>> then I re-enabled S mode before returning it to its owner.
>>
>> I've heard people say that leaving S mode is a one-way street, but apparently
>> not.
>
>
> At the least, one could use the system restore function, on any
> typical device. I've always installed from media, since the first
> reinstallation of Windows 2000, but I don't keep much on the system
> partition. But that computer with the equivalent of retail Win2000
> preinstalled, was the last pre-assembled computer I had.
>

I don't think modern machines come with a restoration partition.

The best thing to do, is make a backup any time you get a brand
new machine, and later... you won't be sorry. You might even put
it on some DVD blanks, if you want the "experience" to seem "traditional" :-)
That way, if there was something loveable about the cruft in the OS,
you won't lose any of it.

Paul

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 by: Joel - Tue, 3 Oct 2023 23:31 UTC

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On 10/3/2023 5:50 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard people say that leaving S mode is a one-way street, but apparently
>>> not.
>>
>> At the least, one could use the system restore function, on any
>> typical device. I've always installed from media, since the first
>> reinstallation of Windows 2000, but I don't keep much on the system
>> partition. But that computer with the equivalent of retail Win2000
>> preinstalled, was the last pre-assembled computer I had.
>
>I don't think modern machines come with a restoration partition.
>
>The best thing to do, is make a backup any time you get a brand
>new machine, and later... you won't be sorry. You might even put
>it on some DVD blanks, if you want the "experience" to seem "traditional" :-)
>That way, if there was something loveable about the cruft in the OS,
>you won't lose any of it.

If there isn't a restore function, I would want to do exactly that.
Reinstalling the OS generically is fine, but I'd want to have the
option to restore the OEM's setup.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:36 UTC

On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>
>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>
>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
>
> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>
> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
> OS: Windows 11 Home
> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>
> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>
> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.

Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.

>
> But that's just me, based just on the specs and without having tried
> this laptop myself. By all means look at other answers. And read the
> reviews, if you haven't already. Frankly, they would warn me off of
> it.
>
> That said, it's Costco. Your nephew could try it out, and then if he
> doesn't like it he can return it -- assuming there's a Costco where
> he's going to school.
>

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Carlos E.R.

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 by: MikeS - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 14:14 UTC

On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>
>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you
>>> think?
>>
>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>
>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>
>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
>> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>>
>> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.
>
> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>
Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop. Going
much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
portability.

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 14:28 UTC

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:36:32 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>
>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
>>
>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>
>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>
>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days,

No, it's tiny. But depending on how the computer is used, it may be
adequate for some people. For example, I don't have a laptop these
days, but if I were to buy one, it would be for use when traveling,
and since that use would be for almost nothing other than e-mail and
the web, 256MB of storage would be enough for me.

>> and neither is 8 GB of
>> RAM.

A lot? No, certainly not a lot, but probably enough for most people.
But again, it depends on what the computer is used for.

>> Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)

I don't know whether they have, but whatever they do to a computer in
the way of crapware and customizations can be undone. Worst case, a
clean reinstallation of Windows could be done.

>> Touchscreen is good,

We're all different. To me a touchscreen is good for something held in
the hand--a smart phone or tablet--but not for a laptop. I want to
keep my hands at the keyboard and next to it on the mouse, not lift
them up to the screen.

>> but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones

Yes. The question is whether barebones would be enough for his usage.
I suspect not, for a kid in college, but there's no way I can know for
sure.

>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.)

3440 x 1440 here on my desktop with its 34" monitor. I have no
laptop.

>> Nothing is said about the keyboard
>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.

I especially agree with those last two sentences. What's good for one
person isn't necessarily good for the next.

>Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>
>>
>> But that's just me, based just on the specs and without having tried
>> this laptop myself. By all means look at other answers. And read the
>> reviews, if you haven't already. Frankly, they would warn me off of
>> it.
>>
>> That said, it's Costco. Your nephew could try it out, and then if he
>> doesn't like it he can return it -- assuming there's a Costco where
>> he's going to school.
>>

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 14:32 UTC

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 16:31:13 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
<Paul@Houston.Texas> wrote:

>Oscar Mayer wrote:
>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>
>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
>
>It would be a great machine for sending small emails without
>attachments. He/she/it will likely soon give it away or trash it.
>
>This would be much better:
>https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-x14-r1-14-0-144hz-fhd-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-512gb-ssd-lunar-light/6502624.p?skuId=6502624

Yes. At almost five times the price, it should be no surprise.

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:40 UTC

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:

>On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you
>>>> think?
>>>
>>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>>
>>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>>
>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
>>> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>>>
>>> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
>>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
>>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.
>>
>> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>>
>Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.

No, the OP was asking about a laptop as a gift for a college student.
Apparently he thinks a laptop would be more appropriate for a college
student because he thing the student might have little desk space and
might want to carry it to classes. He's probably right.

>Going
>much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
>portability.

I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
even though they don't expect to travel with it.

Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me. As far as I'm
concerned, a laptop is the wrong choice for almost everyone. It's
harder and more expensive to upgrade or repair, and it's more
vulnerable to being dropped and broken or being stolen.

And that's not to mention that there are many more choices of hardware
configuration for desktops.

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 by: Stan Brown - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 16:46 UTC

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS wrote:
> On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
> > a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
> >
> Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.

Not quite. The OP asked because he wants to give a gift to his
nephew. I still stand by my suggestion: don't make this a surprise,
but discuss the nephew's needs with him, and perhaps subsidize part
of the cost of a computer that will meet those needs. Somebody else
made what I think is an excellent suggestion: find out whether the
nephew's college has standardized on iOS world or Windows world.

> Going much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a
> laptop - portability.

I agree. For years a 17" laptop was my main computer. After the first
attempt, I gave up trying to use it in an airplane seat.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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 by: ...winston - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 17:43 UTC

Oscar Mayer wrote:
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

Underpowered for a college student that will most likely not only use if
for school work(Windows, Office, Email, Class content and submission)
but also for other personal preferences(music, pictures, games,
archiving, data storage).

A device like the above should be supplemented with at least a 1 or 2 TB
external drive(e.g. W.Digital Passport).
- Note: The device does have a SDXC card reader, which if sized
correctly could be used for data, music, pictures storage.

Screen resolution of 1920X1080 is a better choice than the 1366x768
screen size.

--
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 by: Frankie - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:09 UTC

On 4/10/2023, Stan Brown wrote:

> find out whether the
> nephew's college has standardized on iOS world or Windows world.

You probably meant macOS or Windows.
Most colleges are agnostic.

If it can run Microsoft Office & Google Docs and connect to the web,
that's all that usually matters until you get into the details of running
CAD software (which most kids don't do - some do - but most do not).

When it is for CAD software, then Windows is required.
If it's a marketing class though, they may use macOS.

But again, they usually don't require either platform.
Especially until they're in graduate school.

And even then, the computer is often supplied.
Plus the libraries have computers for specialized software.

So they're going to be agnostic in the main.

While most schools have both Ethernet and Wi-Fi in the dorms, some are
going to just Wi-Fi but again, that will be something all will have.

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 by: Larry Wolff - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 19:14 UTC

On 10/4/2023 11:28 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days,
>
> No, it's tiny. But depending on how the computer is used, it may be
> adequate for some people. For example, I don't have a laptop these
> days, but if I were to buy one, it would be for use when traveling,
> and since that use would be for almost nothing other than e-mail and
> the web, 256MB of storage would be enough for me.

I have a truly portable HP 32-GB 14-inch stream laptop for traveling.

There's a 400GB sdcard in the side slot (D drive) since 32GB is just about
what the Windows 10 operating system takes up (most of it anyway).

What it's for is traveling. It's fine for that.

About the only thing I wish it had was a lit keyboard.
Does the OP's laptop have a lit keyboard?

That's the one feature I'd consider required for dorm room typing
especially for freshmen who almost always will have a room mate.

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 by: Stan Brown - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:28 UTC

On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 04:14:43 +0900, Larry Wolff wrote:
> About the only thing I wish it had was a lit keyboard.
> Does the OP's laptop have a lit keyboard?

It's not mentioned in the specs on Costco's product page, which I
provided upthread. I would expect the feature would be mentioned if
the laptop had it.

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