Ruud's thread focus foto..

Friday, July 1, 2022 at 1:16:03 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> A serious etymology question (serious answers only, please):
>
> Would Latin focus ('fire') and Greek fos/fota (light; perhaps also
> fire?) be related via Indo-European? Wiktionary isn't clear about
> this.
>
> English fire and Greekish pyrotechnics are.
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Ruud, I know you're patiently awaiting my help. ;~}

Well, I agree with Ross & Christian,

But it seems odd:

Ochre
Poker (fire)
Smoke(r)
Toke
Focus
Choke (car engine burn fuel)

= "okV" ~ cf olaah @ Hbr : burnt offering; olah @ Bsq : forge

*ker- (3)
Proto-Indo-European root meaning "heat, fire."
It forms all or part of: carbon; carboniferous; carbuncle; cremate; cremation; hearth.
It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit kudayati "singes;" Latin carbo "a coal, glowing coal; charcoal," cremare "to burn;" Lithuanian kuriu, kurti "to heat," karštas "hot," krosnis "oven;" Old Church Slavonic kurjo "to smoke," krada "fireplace, hearth;" Russian ceren "brazier;" Old High German harsta "roasting;" Gothic hauri "coal;" Old Norse hyrr "fire;" Old English heorð "hearth."
- [The only (fire)place where it is safe to strike a spark/forge?]

PIE *kau- "to hew, strike," a root more widely developed in Slavic (source also of Old Church Slavonic kovo, Lithuanian kauti "to strike, beat, fight;" Polish kuć "to forge," Russian kovat' "to strike, hammer, forge;" Latin cudere "to strike, beat;" Middle Irish cuad "beat, fight").
- smoke (n.1)
late Old English smoca (rare) "fumes and volatile material given off by burning substances," related to smeocan "give off smoke," from Proto-Germanic *smuk- (source also of Middle Dutch smooc, Dutch smook, Middle High German smouch, German Schmauch), from PIE root *smeug- "to smoke; smoke" (source also of Armenian mux "smoke," Greek smykhein "to burn with smoldering flame," Old Irish much, Welsh mwg "smoke"

[I would even venture a possible link to oracle / ora-, aurah, aurat @Arb, though others will think it is nonsense.]

oracle (n.)
late 14c., "a message from a god expressed by divine inspiration through a priest or priestess," in answer to a human inquiry, usually respecting some future event, from Old French oracle "temple, house of prayer; oracle" (12c.) and directly from Latin oraculum, oraclum "divine announcement, oracle; place where oracles are given," from ōrare "to pray to, plead to, beseech" (see orator), with material instrumental suffix -culo.

Cheers!
DD

On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 7:07:51 AM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> Ruud's thread focus foto..
>
> Friday, July 1, 2022 at 1:16:03 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > A serious etymology question (serious answers only, please):
> >
> > Would Latin focus ('fire') and Greek fos/fota (light; perhaps also
> > fire?) be related via Indo-European? Wiktionary isn't clear about
> > this.
> >
> > English fire and Greekish pyrotechnics are.
> > --
> > Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
> Ruud, I know you're patiently awaiting my help. ;~}
>
> Well, I agree with Ross & Christian,
>
> But it seems odd:
>
> Ochre
> Poker (fire)
> Smoke(r)
> Toke
> Focus
> Choke (car engine burn fuel)
>
> = "okV" ~ cf olaah @ Hbr : burnt offering; olah @ Bsq : forge

Stoker
Coker
Cooker
bakar @Mly

> *ker- (3)
> Proto-Indo-European root meaning "heat, fire."
> It forms all or part of: carbon; carboniferous; carbuncle; cremate; cremation; hearth.
> It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit kudayati "singes;" Latin carbo "a coal, glowing coal; charcoal," cremare "to burn;" Lithuanian kuriu, kurti "to heat," karštas "hot," krosnis "oven;" Old Church Slavonic kurjo "to smoke," krada "fireplace, hearth;" Russian ceren "brazier;" Old High German harsta "roasting;" Gothic hauri "coal;" Old Norse hyrr "fire;" Old English heorð "hearth."
> -
> [The only (fire)place where it is safe to strike a spark/forge?]
>
> PIE *kau- "to hew, strike," a root more widely developed in Slavic (source also of Old Church Slavonic kovo, Lithuanian kauti "to strike, beat, fight;" Polish kuć "to forge," Russian kovat' "to strike, hammer, forge;" Latin cudere "to strike, beat;" Middle Irish cuad "beat, fight").
> -
> smoke (n.1)
> late Old English smoca (rare) "fumes and volatile material given off by burning substances," related to smeocan "give off smoke," from Proto-Germanic *smuk- (source also of Middle Dutch smooc, Dutch smook, Middle High German smouch, German Schmauch), from PIE root *smeug- "to smoke; smoke" (source also of Armenian mux "smoke," Greek smykhein "to burn with smoldering flame," Old Irish much, Welsh mwg "smoke"
>
> [I would even venture a possible link to oracle / ora-, aurah, aurat @Arb, though others will think it is nonsense.]
>
> oracle (n.)
> late 14c., "a message from a god expressed by divine inspiration through a priest or priestess," in answer to a human inquiry, usually respecting some future event, from Old French oracle "temple, house of prayer; oracle" (12c.) and directly from Latin oraculum, oraclum "divine announcement, oracle; place where oracles are given," from ōrare "to pray to, plead to, beseech" (see orator), with material instrumental suffix -culo.
>
> Cheers!
> DD