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Re: What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)

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Subject: Re: What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop
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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:48 UTC

On 2023-10-04 17:40, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:

....

>>> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>>> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>>>
>> Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.

Fine, but buy a larger laptop than 14".

> No, the OP was asking about a laptop as a gift for a college student.
> Apparently he thinks a laptop would be more appropriate for a college
> student because he thing the student might have little desk space and
> might want to carry it to classes. He's probably right.
>
>> Going
>> much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
>> portability.
>
>
> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>
> Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me. As far as I'm
> concerned, a laptop is the wrong choice for almost everyone. It's
> harder and more expensive to upgrade or repair, and it's more
> vulnerable to being dropped and broken or being stolen.

Because it sits comfortably on a small table besides the sofa on the
sitting room.

It also sits very nicely on the table of a student room.

>
> And that's not to mention that there are many more choices of hardware
> configuration for desktops.

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 20:53 UTC

On 2023-10-04 16:28, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:36:32 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
>>>
>>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>>
>>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>>
>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days,
>
> No, it's tiny. But depending on how the computer is used, it may be
> adequate for some people. For example, I don't have a laptop these
> days, but if I were to buy one, it would be for use when traveling,
> and since that use would be for almost nothing other than e-mail and
> the web, 256MB of storage would be enough for me.

Me, I need storing the photos, and seeing it more confortably than on
the camera Liliput made display.

....

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Carlos E.R.

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 by: Paul - Wed, 4 Oct 2023 21:06 UTC

On 10/4/2023 4:28 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 04:14:43 +0900, Larry Wolff wrote:
>> About the only thing I wish it had was a lit keyboard.
>> Does the OP's laptop have a lit keyboard?
>
> It's not mentioned in the specs on Costco's product page, which I
> provided upthread. I would expect the feature would be mentioned if
> the laptop had it.
>
There are also different types of lit keyboards, from
the elegant to the ridiculous. Just because light
leaks from it, doesn't mean the feature is any good.

I have two lit keyboards here so far. One has a LED per key (fixed color),
and it's a double-shot key. The character is made of transparent plastic,
that conducts light from the LED below. The transparent plastic is shot
into the black plastic surround.

The other keyboard costs $25 or so, and the LEDs were "kinda drilled
into the lid as an afterthought". Light comes out at all different
angles. Doesn't really seem intended for any purpose, than to look silly.

I would have bought a second keyboard, same as the first (good) one ($70),
but there weren't any. And my computer store, doesn't seem to have
anything resembling inventory control.

What they did have, was keyboards for $150 and $200 bucks, as if
this was the "Apple Era" or something. How a $25 keyboard snuck into
that lot, is a mystery. I have paid $150 for a keyboard, back when
I got an Apple Extended II to replace one I'd spilled a beverage on,
and the Apple keyboards cannot be complete disassembled for cleaning.
(I did my best to clean the original, but three keys remained stuck.)
I did have a membrane keyboard at one time, you just rinse the membranes
and reassemble when dry. A piece of cake. But that keyboard wore out.

If you're serious about getting a good quality light show from
one, it would pay to examine it in person. I doubt they do double-shot
keys for laptops. It's the cheapness that counts.

Paul

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Ken Blake wrote:

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> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>
> Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me.

+1

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 by: Skybuck Flying - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 23:04 UTC

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:40:06 AM UTC+2, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>
> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?

For that price I think it's pretty great. It sure as hell beats the shit out of the laptop I have been using for 2 months ! ;)

And it's pretty usuable.

One thing that might be a bit of a downer/issue is windows-s. Which is a deprived/reduced version of Windows 11, but might it's still good/workable, might even be an advantage if it's less bloated.

Pretty good find.

Not bad of a first PC for a young kid that might need it for school, and bag it, and dirty places.

I agree to not waste to much money on it, if it might fall, break or get dirty or even stolen or beat it !

Smart ! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.

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 by: Skybuck Flying - Thu, 5 Oct 2023 23:06 UTC

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:04:17 AM UTC+2, Skybuck Flying wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:40:06 AM UTC+2, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> > What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
> > https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
> >
> > Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
> > Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you think?
> For that price I think it's pretty great. It sure as hell beats the shit out of the laptop I have been using for 2 months ! ;)

Little correction, it's actually been 4 and a half months or so ! how time flies ! ;) =D

I've used it in bed... 90 degrees rotated... I would love to have this horizontal resolution... so I know it will be somewhat ok-ish...

Vertically might indeed be some of an issue, but probably much less, most GUIs (graphical user interfaces) mostly designed to be horizontal, so can auto-adjust.
>
> And it's pretty usuable.
>
> One thing that might be a bit of a downer/issue is windows-s. Which is a deprived/reduced version of Windows 11, but might it's still good/workable, might even be an advantage if it's less bloated.
>
> Pretty good find.
>
> Not bad of a first PC for a young kid that might need it for school, and bag it, and dirty places.
>
> I agree to not waste to much money on it, if it might fall, break or get dirty or even stolen or beat it !
>
> Smart ! ;)
>
Bye,
Skybuck.

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On 04/10/2023 16:40, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you
>>>>> think?
>>>>
>>>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>>>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>>>
>>>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>>>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>>>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>>>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>>>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>>>
>>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
>>>> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>>>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>>>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>>>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>>>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>>>>
>>>> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
>>>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>>>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>>>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
>>>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>>>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>>>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>>>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.
>>>
>>> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>>> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>>>
>> Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.
>
> No, the OP was asking about a laptop as a gift for a college student.
> Apparently he thinks a laptop would be more appropriate for a college
> student because he thing the student might have little desk space and
> might want to carry it to classes. He's probably right.
>
>> Going
>> much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
>> portability.
>
>
> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>
> Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me. As far as I'm
> concerned, a laptop is the wrong choice for almost everyone. It's
> harder and more expensive to upgrade or repair, and it's more
> vulnerable to being dropped and broken or being stolen.
>
> And that's not to mention that there are many more choices of hardware
> configuration for desktops.
>
FWIW I prefer a laptop but will not waste my time justifying it.
Suffice it to say it does not "beat the shit out of me" if you or anyone
else prefers a desktop.

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 by: Char Jackson - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 00:21 UTC

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 21:51:57 +0100, MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> wrote:

>On 04/10/2023 16:40, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>>>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you
>>>>>> think?
>>>>>
>>>>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>>>>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>>>>
>>>>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>>>>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>>>>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>>>>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>>>>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>>>>
>>>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
>>>>> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>>>>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>>>>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>>>>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>>>>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
>>>>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>>>>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>>>>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
>>>>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>>>>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>>>>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>>>>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.
>>>>
>>>> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>>>> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>>>>
>>> Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.
>>
>> No, the OP was asking about a laptop as a gift for a college student.
>> Apparently he thinks a laptop would be more appropriate for a college
>> student because he thing the student might have little desk space and
>> might want to carry it to classes. He's probably right.
>>
>>> Going
>>> much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
>>> portability.
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
>> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
>> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
>> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>>
>> Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me. As far as I'm
>> concerned, a laptop is the wrong choice for almost everyone. It's
>> harder and more expensive to upgrade or repair, and it's more
>> vulnerable to being dropped and broken or being stolen.
>>
>> And that's not to mention that there are many more choices of hardware
>> configuration for desktops.
>>
>FWIW I prefer a laptop but will not waste my time justifying it.
>Suffice it to say it does not "beat the shit out of me" if you or anyone
>else prefers a desktop.

Don't worry about it. I've been hearing for a decade or more that laptop sales
have far outpaced desktop sales, so apparently you (and I) are in the majority.

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On 10/6/2023 8:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 21:51:57 +0100, MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 04/10/2023 16:40, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>>>>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you
>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>>>>>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>>>>>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>>>>>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>>>>>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>>>>>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
>>>>>> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>>>>>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>>>>>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>>>>>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>>>>>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
>>>>>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>>>>>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>>>>>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
>>>>>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>>>>>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>>>>>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>>>>>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>>>>> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>>>>>
>>>> Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.
>>>
>>> No, the OP was asking about a laptop as a gift for a college student.
>>> Apparently he thinks a laptop would be more appropriate for a college
>>> student because he thing the student might have little desk space and
>>> might want to carry it to classes. He's probably right.
>>>
>>>> Going
>>>> much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
>>>> portability.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
>>> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
>>> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
>>> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>>>
>>> Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me. As far as I'm
>>> concerned, a laptop is the wrong choice for almost everyone. It's
>>> harder and more expensive to upgrade or repair, and it's more
>>> vulnerable to being dropped and broken or being stolen.
>>>
>>> And that's not to mention that there are many more choices of hardware
>>> configuration for desktops.
>>>
>> FWIW I prefer a laptop but will not waste my time justifying it.
>> Suffice it to say it does not "beat the shit out of me" if you or anyone
>> else prefers a desktop.
>
> Don't worry about it. I've been hearing for a decade or more that laptop sales
> have far outpaced desktop sales, so apparently you (and I) are in the majority.
>
Amazingly, the glass counter display case at my computer store, was
choc-a-block with AMD Zen desktop processors. One of the few items they
stock at my "computer store". (They also had a good stock of motherboards.)
Across from the display case with desktop processors,
is a table of (mostly lame) laptops.

The market still seems to be there, for both platform types.

Unfortunately, the owner has lost his mind at that store. The very
last time I was there, a visitor and one of the staff, were having
mock conversations involving opinions of the owner. The staff really
seem to hate working there now. (This is a store, where you can't buy
a hard drive big enough to do a backup on -- and you'd have to go up
the street to the Best Buy and get one of their "stock" WD Blue drives.)

"Would you like an LCD monitor Timmy ?" No stock. Showroom units only,
older items. It's hard to see what the store owner, what kind
of 4D Chess he is playing. I had to go up to the Staples to get
a monitor. Staples LCD monitor section was stocked, and demo units to look at.
I got an LCD monitor for about $120 CDN. Which in this day and age,
is particularly strange. An actual bargain. I don't think they
have any 55" wide monitors though (that one that needs the big stand,
just to stabilize it). They just have useful ones.

Paul

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"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote

>
I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
even though they don't expect to travel with it.

Why do they do that?
>

People can't be bothered. Everything is "on the go".
With college students there's probably also a social factor:
Do your homework in a public space where there's some
chance of getting laid. If they really wanted to just do
work with the computer then the ergonomics and economy
of a desktop would win.

It's even gone beyond laptops for many people. People
I know use their cellphone and don't want to have to deal
with email. The screen is too small for typing. So maybe find
a bigger screen? No. Their answer is to eliminate typing! I find
that people are often surprisingly adept with cellphones, but
again, it's an "on the go" lifestyle. Nothing that requires a 1
minute attention span is considered a resasonable activity.
The cellphone ergonomics dictate its uses. It's capable of
fullscale computing, but too small for any serious task. So
people text, call Ubers, and use consumer "apps". (Though I
have a neice who has a contraption to convert her iPhone
into the heart of a desktop computer.)

I bought my first laptop about a year ago. It was cheap,
big, and I needed a newer Win10 computer for occasional use.
I never carry a computer anywhere and have no need to do so.
I got a laptop because I only need it occasonally for certain
websites, and I can set it up without moving my desktop
computer that I use normally. Otherwise it's in a closet.
If I'd bought a desktop, I'd have needed a desktop to keep
it on. I already have an XP and a Win7 desktop. So I bought
a 19" Win10 laptop and a wireless mouse. The keyboard is still
crap, but I don't need it for much. If I did then I suppose I'd get
a wireless keyboard as well. The laptop could serve as desktop
monitor with limited upgradability, but in general a desktop will
be less money for better hardware and more upgradability.

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On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 19:21:22 -0500, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 21:51:57 +0100, MikeS <mikes@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 04/10/2023 16:40, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:14:32 +0100, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/10/2023 12:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-03 06:42, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 23:39:58 -0400, Oscar Mayer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think of this $250 Costco HP 14-FQ1003CL laptop (250GB ssd)?
>>>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BQ3hwbqh/costcolaptop.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it a decent birthday gift for a kid who will be in college next year?
>>>>>>> Can it be upgraded to a bigger than 250GB drive & Windows 11 do you
>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You left out a number of important things, but since the picture
>>>>>> shows the model number I can fill them in:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 5300U
>>>>>> RAM: 8 GB DDR4-3200 RAM
>>>>>> 14" Micro-Edge HD (1366x768) Touchscreen
>>>>>> OS: Windows 11 Home
>>>>>> Screen: 1366 x 768, 14"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 256 GB is (not "250") is not a lot these days, and neither is 8 GB of
>>>>>> RAM. Also, I'm not a fan of HP computers in general because they tend
>>>>>> to come loaded with crapware and customizations that make Windows not
>>>>>> work the way it does on other computers. (However: my last exposure
>>>>>> to trying to make HPs work with standard software was 4 years ago, so
>>>>>> maybe they've cleaned up their act since then.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Touchscreen is good, but IMHO this machine is pretty barebones
>>>>>> otherwise. I would worry about the screen: it's small, and the pixel
>>>>>> dimensions are substandard these days. (My laptop and desktop are
>>>>>> both 1920 × 1080, for example.) Nothing is said about the keyboard
>>>>>> being backlit, so presumably it's not. If the "kid" is going to use
>>>>>> it for email, Web surfing, and writing MS-Word docs, it will probably
>>>>>> be okay, if not the fastest. For more advanced applications,
>>>>>> especially gaming, I would expect poor performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Writing any lightly complex document with graphics, or spreadsheets, is
>>>>> a pain on 14". Doubly so when extracting data from pdfs as source.
>>>>>
>>>> Presumably the OP asked about a laptop because they want a laptop.
>>>
>>> No, the OP was asking about a laptop as a gift for a college student.
>>> Apparently he thinks a laptop would be more appropriate for a college
>>> student because he thing the student might have little desk space and
>>> might want to carry it to classes. He's probably right.
>>>
>>>> Going
>>>> much larger than 14 or 15 inch defeats the main purpose of a laptop -
>>>> portability.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
>>> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
>>> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
>>> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>>>
>>> Why do they do that? Beats the shit out of me. As far as I'm
>>> concerned, a laptop is the wrong choice for almost everyone. It's
>>> harder and more expensive to upgrade or repair, and it's more
>>> vulnerable to being dropped and broken or being stolen.
>>>
>>> And that's not to mention that there are many more choices of hardware
>>> configuration for desktops.
>>>
>>FWIW I prefer a laptop but will not waste my time justifying it.
>>Suffice it to say it does not "beat the shit out of me" if you or anyone
>>else prefers a desktop.
>
>Don't worry about it. I've been hearing for a decade or more that laptop sales
>have far outpaced desktop sales, so apparently you (and I) are in the majority.

Yes, I know. If don't remember why you said you prefer a laptop, but I
remember your saying it and having a good reason.

Note that I said "wrong choice for *almost* everyone." Almost
everyone, not everyone. I've known several other people for whom it
was the right choice.

I've also known several people who were convinced it was the right
choice until they got it and realized they had made a mistake.

And yes, I know you're in the majority.

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On 10/7/2023 11:18 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

> Yes, I know. If don't remember why you said you prefer a laptop, but I
> remember your saying it and having a good reason.
>
> Note that I said "wrong choice for *almost* everyone." Almost
> everyone, not everyone. I've known several other people for whom it
> was the right choice.
>
> I've also known several people who were convinced it was the right
> choice until they got it and realized they had made a mistake.
>
> And yes, I know you're in the majority.
>

I think you'll like this one.

It's an AIO with a battery in it, and the keyboard
is not joined to the AIO (of course).

It comes with a handle on the top, which makes the product, um, "cute" :-)

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/hp-wireless-all-in-one-has-83-wh-rechargeable-battery-handle-for-portability/

No, you don't take that to class to make notes, but you might
have it at home, in a very big drawer, for working in the evening.

It's 2560×1440 on graphics, 21.74" * 14.43" which is 16:9 like common HD monitors.

It might just barely fit in my sock drawer.

Paul

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 by: Carlos E. R. - Sat, 7 Oct 2023 21:30 UTC

On 2023-10-07 15:07, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>
>>
> I agree with you that the main purpose of using a laptop rather an
> desktop is portability, but we're apparently in the minority. These
> days many (perhaps most) people choose a laptop rather than a desktop
> even though they don't expect to travel with it.
>
> Why do they do that?
>>
>
> People can't be bothered. Everything is "on the go".
> With college students there's probably also a social factor:
> Do your homework in a public space where there's some
> chance of getting laid. If they really wanted to just do
> work with the computer then the ergonomics and economy
> of a desktop would win.

Portability doesn't necessarily mean move every day. When I was a
student, moving the desktop computer to/from home at the end/start of
the term was a major problem. I would have used a portable, except that
they were barely invented and hugely expensive.

And my desktop, which was small, was a major problem during the term,
using valuable space in my assigned room as a student.

A portable I could have taken to the place of another student, when
having to do team work.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

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