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* I am not an Apple fan but…Tim+
+* Re: I am not an Apple fan but…Tweed
|+- Re: I am not an Apple fan but…Abandoned Trolley
|`* Re: I am not an Apple fan but…JMB99
| +- Re: I am not an Apple fan but…Abandoned Trolley
| `* Re: I am not an Apple fan but…Chris
|  `- Re: I am not an Apple fan but…david
`* Re: I am not an Apple fan but…Theo
 `- Re: I am not an Apple fan but…David Woolley

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From: timdowni...@yahoo.co.youkay (Tim+)
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Subject: I am not an Apple fan but…
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 by: Tim+ - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 22:42 UTC

…. I can’t help,thinking that if I were the boss of Apple, these things are
exactly what I would have done to grow my business, reward my investors
etc…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68628989

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

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From: usenet.t...@gmail.com (Tweed)
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Subject: Re: I am not an Apple fan but…
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 by: Tweed - Fri, 22 Mar 2024 07:11 UTC

Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
> …. I can’t help,thinking that if I were the boss of Apple, these things are
> exactly what I would have done to grow my business, reward my investors
> etc…
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68628989
>
> Tim
>

It is an odd state of affairs. Apple have a 60% market share (of
smartphones) in the USA, which sort of implies that either a) customers
like the product or b) customers feel they can’t leave

UK market share is around 50%.

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 by: Abandoned Trolley - Fri, 22 Mar 2024 08:39 UTC

On 22/03/2024 07:11, Tweed wrote:
> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>
>> …. I can’t help,thinking that if I were the boss of Apple, these things are
>> exactly what I would have done to grow my business, reward my investors
>> etc…
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68628989
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> It is an odd state of affairs. Apple have a 60% market share (of
> smartphones) in the USA, which sort of implies that either a) customers
> like the product or b) customers feel they can’t leave
>
> UK market share is around 50%.
>

No customer is forced to buy any Apple product or subscribe to any of
their services.

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From: mb...@nospam.net (JMB99)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom.mobile
Subject: Re:_I_am_not_an_Apple_fan_but…
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 by: JMB99 - Fri, 22 Mar 2024 13:37 UTC

On 22/03/2024 07:11, Tweed wrote:
> It is an odd state of affairs. Apple have a 60% market share (of
> smartphones) in the USA, which sort of implies that either a) customers
> like the product or b) customers feel they can’t leave
>
> UK market share is around 50%.

The US seems to be very hostile to monopolies (or near-monopolies).

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 by: Abandoned Trolley - Fri, 22 Mar 2024 14:33 UTC

On 22/03/2024 13:37, JMB99 wrote:
> On 22/03/2024 07:11, Tweed wrote:
>> It is an odd state of affairs. Apple have a 60% market share (of
>> smartphones) in the USA, which sort of implies that either a) customers
>> like the product or b) customers feel they can’t leave
>>
>> UK market share is around 50%.
>
>
> The US seems to be very hostile to monopolies (or near-monopolies).
>
>
>

I would suggest that VISA is fairly close to a monopoly within the US ?

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From: theom+n...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo)
Newsgroups: uk.telecom.mobile
Subject: Re: I am not an Apple fan but…
Date: 22 Mar 2024 15:57:11 +0000 (GMT)
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 by: Theo - Fri, 22 Mar 2024 15:57 UTC

Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
> …. I can’t help,thinking that if I were the boss of Apple, these things are
> exactly what I would have done to grow my business, reward my investors
> etc…
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68628989

Life is different if you're a monopoly. What is 'growing your business' to
you equals 'abusing your monopoly power' to your competitors. This is why
monopolies are more tightly regulated than healthy markets.

Theo

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 by: Chris - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:28 UTC

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 22/03/2024 07:11, Tweed wrote:
>> It is an odd state of affairs. Apple have a 60% market share (of
>> smartphones) in the USA, which sort of implies that either a) customers
>> like the product or b) customers feel they can’t leave
>>
>> UK market share is around 50%.
>
>
> The US seems to be very hostile to monopolies (or near-monopolies).

Hardly. It's very much laissez-faire.

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 by: david - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 12:37 UTC

Using <news:utmasf$3j55e$2@dont-email.me>, Chris wrote:

>>> It is an odd state of affairs. Apple have a 60% market share (of
>>> smartphones) in the USA, which sort of implies that either a) customers
>>> like the product or b) customers feel they can�t leave
>>>
>>> UK market share is around 50%.
>>
>> The US seems to be very hostile to monopolies (or near-monopolies).
>
> Hardly. It's very much laissez-faire.

Apple has been very successful in the developed countries because Apple's
fundamental business strategy of lying until they get caught works out for
them.

Very few companies outside of Big Pharma and Big Tobacco can afford losing
those enormous lawsuits Apple always loses for being unethical by design.

But Apple has enough capital to operate outside of the law until caught.

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 by: David Woolley - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 13:32 UTC

On 22/03/2024 15:57, Theo wrote:
> Life is different if you're a monopoly. What is 'growing your business' to
> you equals 'abusing your monopoly power' to your competitors. This is why
> monopolies are more tightly regulated than healthy markets.

The theory is that having a working market drives up quality and drives
down prices. However, if you have an effective monopoly, you no longer
have a working market, as the monopoly owner control price, quality, etc.

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