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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 04:27 UTC

On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:

> On 3/25/2023 11:23 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> https://i.imgur.com/HZlXAyx.jpg
>> It's a screengrab from a TV program. OS/2? Something fictitious?
>
> OS/2 was created by IBM in a fight between IBM and Microsoft.
>
> In the 1980s IBM created the IBM PC line of personal computers.
> Microsoft was making the DOS for IBM's PC line of personal computers,
> namely IBM DOS and Microsoft DOS. Eventually Microsoft made Windows 3.1
> and 4.1, and IBM clone business was thriving. People flocked to the
> cheap IBM clones instead of the expensive Apple for personal computing..
> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in the
> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it. Because
> of this, OS/2 had only a small niche market, and PC clones and Microsoft
> Windows won the PC war.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2

What exactly did they threaten to sue about? Copying the hardware or the software? So how come everyone wasn't sued? We're all using IBM clones aren't we?

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On 2023-03-26 03:23:30 +0000, Commander Kinsey said:

> https://i.imgur.com/HZlXAyx.jpg
> It's a screengrab from a TV program. OS/2? Something fictitious?

to windowblinds you go

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 by: David Brooks - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:23 UTC

On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in the
>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>
>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about?  Copying the hardware or
>>>> the software?
>>>
>>>    🙄 :rolls_eyes:
>>>
>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>
>>>
>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued?  We're all using IBM clones aren't
>>>> we?
>>>
>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
>>> PCI.
>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>
>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. 🙂
>>
>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>
>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>
> I've never observed it, it is possible.  My BIOS has protection against
> it, so thre must be threats out there.  The first answer in Quora is
> correct:
>
> ****
> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
> Detection:
> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
> ****
>
> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it.  If
> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used to
> have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS.  I assume Macs are
> similar?  I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can you
> press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the OS like on a
> PC?  I know there are some keys which do special things before the OS
> loads when the OS is needing fixed.

As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
But I'm willing to learn!

I found this, which you may wish to explore:-

https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode#:~:text

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:02 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 10:23:26 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in the
>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about? Copying the hardware or
>>>>> the software?
>>>>
>>>> 🙄 :rolls_eyes:
>>>>
>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued? We're all using IBM clones aren't
>>>>> we?
>>>>
>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
>>>> PCI.
>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>
>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. 🙂
>>>
>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>
>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>
>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>
>> I've never observed it, it is possible. My BIOS has protection against
>> it, so thre must be threats out there. The first answer in Quora is
>> correct:
>>
>> ****
>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
>> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>> Detection:
>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>> ****
>>
>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it. If
>> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used to
>> have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS. I assume Macs are
>> similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can you
>> press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the OS like on a
>> PC? I know there are some keys which do special things before the OS
>> loads when the OS is needing fixed.
>
> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac..
> But I'm willing to learn!
>
> I found this, which you may wish to explore:-
>
> https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode#:~:text

They say "On older PCs" which is wrong, they all have a BIOS you can go into and change settings.

They say "UEFI, or unified extensible firmware interface, is the name of the firmware in macOS that does the same job as BIOS on most Windows machines" which is also bollocks, modern PCs also use UEFI, but that doesn't stop there being a big menu of things to fiddle with. How else would you tweak stuff and overclock stuff?

"Apple doesn’t allow users to navigate UEFI and adjust settings before the macOS loads" - ah now we get down to it. Apple controls everything, you don't get a say on how your own property functions.

So what you need to do is download the BIOS for your mac and reflash it from within the OS. I bet you can't, and you have to pay an Apple shop a billion pounds to do it for you, because they couldn't possibly trust end users to do that.

Get a PC.

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:13 UTC

on 3/27/2023, David Brooks supposed :
> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, ? Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in the
>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about?  Copying the hardware or
>>>>> the software?
>>>>
>>>>    ? :rolls_eyes:
>>>>
>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued?  We're all using IBM clones aren't we?
>>>>
>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
>>>> PCI.
>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>
>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. ?
>>>
>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>
>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>
>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>
>> I've never observed it, it is possible.  My BIOS has protection against it,
>> so thre must be threats out there.  The first answer in Quora is correct:
>>
>> ****
>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software into
>> the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>> Detection:
>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>> ****
>>
>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it.  If it's
>> a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used to have to
>> load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS.  I assume Macs are similar? 
>> I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can you press a key at
>> power on to get to basic settings before the OS like on a PC?  I know there
>> are some keys which do special things before the OS loads when the OS is
>> needing fixed.
>
> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
> But I'm willing to learn!

Do you mean CMOS?

https://www.macworld.com/article/224955/how-to-reset-a-macs-nvram-pram-and-smc.html

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In article <op.12goyulkmvhs6z@ryzen.home>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> > As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
> > But I'm willing to learn!
> >
> > I found this, which you may wish to explore:-
> >
> > https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode#:~:text
>
> They say "On older PCs" which is wrong, they all have a BIOS you can go into
> and change settings.

it's not wrong. older pcs have bios and newer ones have uefi. they're
not the same, although they do similar things.

as for macs -
68k macs don't have anything
powerpc macs have open firmware
intel macs have uefi
apple silicon macs have an apple bootloader.

> They say "UEFI, or unified extensible firmware interface, is the name of the
> firmware in macOS that does the same job as BIOS on most Windows machines"
> which is also bollocks, modern PCs also use UEFI, but that doesn't stop there
> being a big menu of things to fiddle with. How else would you tweak stuff
> and overclock stuff?

other methods.

> "Apple doesn¹t allow users to navigate UEFI and adjust settings before the
> macOS loads" - ah now we get down to it. Apple controls everything, you
> don't get a say on how your own property functions.

that's false. apple does not stop anyone from doing anything they want
to their hardware.

> So what you need to do is download the BIOS for your mac and reflash it from
> within the OS. I bet you can't, and you have to pay an Apple shop a billion
> pounds to do it for you, because they couldn't possibly trust end users to do that.

even a billion pounds won't help, because macs don't have a bios to
reflash.

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 by: whisky-dave - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:24 UTC

On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 12:02:47 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 10:23:26 +0100, David Brooks <Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
> > On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
> >> <Dav...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
> >>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in the
> >>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about? Copying the hardware or
> >>>>> the software?
> >>>>
> >>>> 🙄 :rolls_eyes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued? We're all using IBM clones aren't
> >>>>> we?
> >>>>
> >>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
> >>>> PCI.
> >>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
> >>>
> >>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. 🙂
> >>>
> >>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
> >>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7....@fx11.iad>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
> >>>
> >>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
> >>
> >> I've never observed it, it is possible. My BIOS has protection against
> >> it, so thre must be threats out there. The first answer in Quora is
> >> correct:
> >>
> >> ****
> >> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
> >> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
> >> Detection:
> >> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
> >> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
> >> ****
> >>
> >> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it. If
> >> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used to
> >> have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS. I assume Macs are
> >> similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can you
> >> press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the OS like on a
> >> PC? I know there are some keys which do special things before the OS
> >> loads when the OS is needing fixed.
> >
> > As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
> > But I'm willing to learn!
> >
> > I found this, which you may wish to explore:-
> >
> > https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode#:~:text
> They say "On older PCs" which is wrong, they all have a BIOS you can go into and change settings.
>
> They say "UEFI, or unified extensible firmware interface, is the name of the firmware in macOS that does the same job as BIOS on most Windows machines" which is also bollocks, modern PCs also use UEFI, but that doesn't stop there being a big menu of things to fiddle with. How else would you tweak stuff and overclock stuff?
>
> "Apple doesn’t allow users to navigate UEFI and adjust settings before the macOS loads" - ah now we get down to it. Apple controls everything, you don't get a say on how your own property functions.

I'd say Aple know best when it comes to how a computer property functions.

> So what you need to do is download the BIOS for your mac and reflash it from within the OS. I bet you can't, and you have to pay an Apple shop a billion pounds to do it for you, because they couldn't possibly trust end users to do that.

I doubt many end users know more about an Apple computer than those that designed it.

>
> Get a PC.

My iMac is coming up to 13 year and is functioning quite well.
But 5 (was 2 faulty at christmas) of the 96 PCs out in the lab which are approaching 4.5 years old, their screens are dying.
We're hoping the rest will last until the end of the academic year.

I'll stick to a more reliable Apple. I don't feel the need to tweek any setting to make it less relible what would be the point ?

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 by: David Brooks - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:16 UTC

On 27/03/2023 12:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
> on 3/27/2023, David Brooks supposed :
>> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, ? Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about?  Copying the hardware or
>>>>>> the software?
>>>>>
>>>>>    ? :rolls_eyes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued?  We're all using IBM clones
>>>>>> aren't we?
>>>>>
>>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA
>>>>> to PCI.
>>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>>
>>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. ?
>>>>
>>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>
>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>
>>> I've never observed it, it is possible.  My BIOS has protection
>>> against it, so thre must be threats out there.  The first answer in
>>> Quora is correct:
>>>
>>> ****
>>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
>>> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>>> Detection:
>>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it.  If
>>> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used
>>> to have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS.  I assume
>>> Macs are similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings -
>>> can you press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the
>>> OS like on a PC?  I know there are some keys which do special things
>>> before the OS loads when the OS is needing fixed.
>>
>> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
>> But I'm willing to learn!
>
> Do you mean CMOS?
>
> https://www.macworld.com/article/224955/how-to-reset-a-macs-nvram-pram-and-smc.html

No, Sir!

I learnt about that within the first two years of owning my /first/
iMac! (bought 2009)

Thanks anyway!

--
David

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 14:04 UTC

David Brooks explained on 3/27/2023 :
> On 27/03/2023 12:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> on 3/27/2023, David Brooks supposed :
>>> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, ? Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about?  Copying the hardware or
>>>>>>> the software?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    ? :rolls_eyes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued?  We're all using IBM clones aren't
>>>>>>> we?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
>>>>>> PCI.
>>>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>
>>>> I've never observed it, it is possible.  My BIOS has protection against
>>>> it, so thre must be threats out there.  The first answer in Quora is
>>>> correct:
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
>>>> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>>>> Detection:
>>>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>>>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>>>> ****
>>>>
>>>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it.  If
>>>> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used to
>>>> have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS.  I assume Macs are
>>>> similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can you
>>>> press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the OS like on a
>>>> PC?  I know there are some keys which do special things before the OS
>>>> loads when the OS is needing fixed.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
>>> But I'm willing to learn!
>>
>> Do you mean CMOS?
>>
>> https://www.macworld.com/article/224955/how-to-reset-a-macs-nvram-pram-and-smc.html
>
> No, Sir!
>
> I learnt about that within the first two years of owning my /first/ iMac!
> (bought 2009)
>
> Thanks anyway!

Then what do you mean by "equivalent to BIOS settings" if not storage
in NVRAM?

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 by: David Brooks - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:20 UTC

On 27/03/2023 15:04, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David Brooks explained on 3/27/2023 :
>> On 27/03/2023 12:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> on 3/27/2023, David Brooks supposed :
>>>> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, ? Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about?  Copying the
>>>>>>>> hardware or
>>>>>>>> the software?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    ? :rolls_eyes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued?  We're all using IBM clones
>>>>>>>> aren't we?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from
>>>>>>> ISA to PCI.
>>>>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>>>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never observed it, it is possible.  My BIOS has protection
>>>>> against it, so thre must be threats out there.  The first answer in
>>>>> Quora is correct:
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original
>>>>> software into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>>>>> Detection:
>>>>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>>>>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it.
>>>>> If it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you
>>>>> used to have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS.  I
>>>>> assume Macs are similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS
>>>>> settings - can you press a key at power on to get to basic settings
>>>>> before the OS like on a PC?  I know there are some keys which do
>>>>> special things before the OS loads when the OS is needing fixed.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
>>>> But I'm willing to learn!
>>>
>>> Do you mean CMOS?
>>>
>>> https://www.macworld.com/article/224955/how-to-reset-a-macs-nvram-pram-and-smc.html
>>
>> No, Sir!
>>
>> I learnt about that within the first two years of owning my /first/
>> iMac! (bought 2009)
>>
>> Thanks anyway!
>
> Then what do you mean by "equivalent to BIOS settings" if not storage in
> NVRAM?

PLease see if there is anything here which will help you:-

https://www.google.com/search?q=there+is+*NO*+equivalent+to+BIOS+settings+on+a+Mac.+

--
David

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 by: Mark Lloyd - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:34 UTC

On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

> It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?

Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and
the boot drive is not always C.

BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted
from E.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Faith is the glorification of ignorance." -- Jeff Dee

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 16:06 UTC

After serious thinking David Brooks wrote :
> On 27/03/2023 15:04, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David Brooks explained on 3/27/2023 :
>>> On 27/03/2023 12:13, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> on 3/27/2023, David Brooks supposed :
>>>>> On 27/03/2023 09:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 08:29:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/03/2023 07:58, James McDougal wrote:
>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 10:26:34 +0100, ? Mighty Wannabe ✅ <.> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IBM made the OS/2, and within it the "micro-channel" technology in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> motherboard, and vowed to sue any clone maker who dared copy it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What exactly did they threaten to sue about?  Copying the hardware
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> the software?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    ? :rolls_eyes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sue about copying IBM's proprietary "micro-channel" technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Channel_architecture
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So how come everyone wasn't sued?  We're all using IBM clones aren't
>>>>>>>>> we?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The clones did not use Micro Channel. The clones advanced from ISA to
>>>>>>>> PCI.
>>>>>>>> Micro Channel had only a small niche market, and PCI won the day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You obviously know about computers! Thank you for your answer. ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you answer the question which I asked previously?
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <T56RL.1060071$gGD7.255827@fx11.iad>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-detect-and-get-rid-of-malware-which-resides-in-my-computers-firmware-and-internal-electronics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there REALLY such a thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never observed it, it is possible.  My BIOS has protection against
>>>>>> it, so thre must be threats out there.  The first answer in Quora is
>>>>>> correct:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>> Removal is the "easier" part: You either flash back original software
>>>>>> into the firmware, exchange the firmware or you can't.
>>>>>> Detection:
>>>>>> 1. Symptoms (it behaves differently from original software)
>>>>>> 2. Byte by Byte firmware comparison with original one.
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would simply flash it with the same as already should be on it. If
>>>>>> it's a PC motherboard BIOS, this can be done within Windows, you used
>>>>>> to have to load it on using a USB stick within the BIOS.  I assume Macs
>>>>>> are similar? I've never actually been in a Mac's BIOS settings - can
>>>>>> you press a key at power on to get to basic settings before the OS like
>>>>>> on a PC?  I know there are some keys which do special things before the
>>>>>> OS loads when the OS is needing fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I'm aware there is *NO* equivalent to BIOS settings on a Mac.
>>>>> But I'm willing to learn!
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean CMOS?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.macworld.com/article/224955/how-to-reset-a-macs-nvram-pram-and-smc.html
>>>
>>> No, Sir!
>>>
>>> I learnt about that within the first two years of owning my /first/ iMac!
>>> (bought 2009)
>>>
>>> Thanks anyway!
>>
>> Then what do you mean by "equivalent to BIOS settings" if not storage in
>> NVRAM?
>
>
> PLease see if there is anything here which will help you:-
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=there+is+*NO*+equivalent+to+BIOS+settings+on+a+Mac.+

https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode

==================
BIOS mode only exists on PCs, right? Well, sort of. Although the Mac
doesn’t have a bios mode, it has something similar. In this article,
we’ll get into what BIOS mode is, its equivalent on the Mac, and how to
enter and use it.
==================

Yep, it helps.

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In article <tvseto$39kcn$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>
> https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode
>
> ==================
> BIOS mode only exists on PCs, right? Well, sort of. Although the Mac
> doesn¹t have a bios mode, it has something similar. In this article,
> we¹ll get into what BIOS mode is, its equivalent on the Mac, and how to
> enter and use it.
> ==================
>
> Yep, it helps.

similar is not the same, and macs don't have anything close to bios
mode for pcs. it also depends on which mac.

as i said, 68k macs don't have anything, powerpc macs have open
firmware (and one could use its command line to for those so inclined),
intel macs have uefi (without any bios compatibility mode as was common
on windows pcs) and apple silicon has apple's own bootloader, each with
different options.

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 17:50 UTC

nospam submitted this idea :
> In article <tvseto$39kcn$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
> <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode
>>
>> ==================
>> BIOS mode only exists on PCs, right? Well, sort of. Although the Mac
>> doesn¹t have a bios mode, it has something similar. In this article,
>> we¹ll get into what BIOS mode is, its equivalent on the Mac, and how to
>> enter and use it.
>> ==================
>>
>> Yep, it helps.
>
> similar is not the same,

Equivalent function.

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In article <tvsl1e$3am8f$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
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> >> https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode
> >>
> >> ==================
> >> BIOS mode only exists on PCs, right? Well, sort of. Although the Mac
> >> doesn¹t have a bios mode, it has something similar. In this article,
> >> we¹ll get into what BIOS mode is, its equivalent on the Mac, and how to
> >> enter and use it.
> >> ==================
> >>
> >> Yep, it helps.
> >
> > similar is not the same,
>
> Equivalent function.

only with intel macs with uefi, and there's no menu interface or bios
mode.

for 68k/powerpc/apple silicon, it ranges from nonexistent to very
different.

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On 26/03/2023 12:48, Sn!pe wrote:
> Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> X-posts eliminated
>>
>> Waste of time unless all responders do the same.
>
> Killfiling on Newsgroups: and/or Followup-To: contains
> "alt.computer.workshop" gets rid of that whole crew of pests.

You really are an arrogant toerag, Snippy!

You do KNOW that, right?!!

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Am 26.03.23 um 16:15 schrieb Sn!pe:
> Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Yes I do that but JL's post just had ucsm in the Newsgroups header so I
>> was blissfully unaware of the topic until he replied. Anyway I'm going to
>> kf the topic / thread now so that'll be the end of it as far as I'm
>> concerned. As for the OP's query, I don't know or care!
>
> A little more k/f adjustment can solve that problem.
>
> [Followup-To: bit-bucket]

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 by: FromTheRafters - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:09 UTC

on 3/27/2023, nospam supposed :
> In article <tvsl1e$3am8f$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
> <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>> https://macpaw.com/how-to/mac-bios-mode
>>>>
>>>> ==================
>>>> BIOS mode only exists on PCs, right? Well, sort of. Although the Mac
>>>> doesn¹t have a bios mode, it has something similar. In this article,
>>>> we¹ll get into what BIOS mode is, its equivalent on the Mac, and how to
>>>> enter and use it.
>>>> ==================
>>>>
>>>> Yep, it helps.
>>>
>>> similar is not the same,
>>
>> Equivalent function.
>
> only with intel macs with uefi, and there's no menu interface or bios
> mode.

But there are still "settings" stored in NVRAM.

> for 68k/powerpc/apple silicon, it ranges from nonexistent to very
> different.

I'm not arguing about terminology here, firmware code needs access to
stored, possibly user supplied, settings during the boot axis yet
before disk access. Call it whatever you want, but if it were not
possibly 'user supplied' data it would not need to be in battery or
capacitor 'keep alive' voltage NVRAM as ROM would suffice.

I posted that particular URL because it was the second hit in the
google search URL BD supplied and it disagreed with him.

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 by: nospam - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:27 UTC

In article <tvt46e$3den5$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >>> similar is not the same,
> >>
> >> Equivalent function.
> >
> > only with intel macs with uefi, and there's no menu interface or bios
> > mode.
>
> But there are still "settings" stored in NVRAM.

nvram (and pram in earlier macs) is different than uefi, and it can be
accessed and modified from the command line (and apps in classic mac
os).

at the command prompt, type
nvram -p
to see what's stored there.

don't modify anything without knowing *exactly* what it's going to do,
and even then, don't.

> > for 68k/powerpc/apple silicon, it ranges from nonexistent to very
> > different.
>
> I'm not arguing about terminology here, firmware code needs access to
> stored, possibly user supplied, settings during the boot axis yet
> before disk access. Call it whatever you want, but if it were not
> possibly 'user supplied' data it would not need to be in battery or
> capacitor 'keep alive' voltage NVRAM as ROM would suffice.

it's for persistent settings.

> I posted that particular URL because it was the second hit in the
> google search

lots of stuff that comes up in a search isn't completely accurate, and
sometimes not accurate at all.

> URL BD supplied and it disagreed with him.

quite a bit does.

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 by: Paul - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:46 UTC

On 3/27/2023 11:34 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?
>
> Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and the boot drive is not always C.
>
> BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted from E.
>

The drive having "0 bytes" used on it, I found that amusing.

It might be able to say "0 bytes" if it was RAW, but
since the label says FAT32, then immediately the used space
has to be >0 . RAW partitions say "0 for everything".

And sure, an OS does not have to install to C: .

It can install to D: or E: if it wants. The drive letter
is discovered during first boot. If the determination is
wrong, then it has to continue using that drive letter
on subsequent boots. That's because some of the resources it
needs, are identified by drive letter.

Paul

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 by: Ant - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 00:57 UTC

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/26/23 23:25, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> [snip]

> > It's also badly done, the boot drive is empty, yet the OS is running?

> Why do you assume this is the boot drive. Its labeled "DOCUMENTS" and
> the boot drive is not always C.

> BTW, I once had a Windows installation (I think it was w2k) that booted
> from E.

Yep. I did too.
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 by: FromTheRafters - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:58 UTC

nospam laid this down on his screen :
> In article <tvt46e$3den5$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
> <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>>> similar is not the same,
>>>>
>>>> Equivalent function.
>>>
>>> only with intel macs with uefi, and there's no menu interface or bios
>>> mode.
>>
>> But there are still "settings" stored in NVRAM.
>
> nvram (and pram in earlier macs) is different than uefi, and it can be
> accessed and modified from the command line (and apps in classic mac
> os).
>
> at the command prompt, type
> nvram -p
> to see what's stored there.
>
> don't modify anything without knowing *exactly* what it's going to do,
> and even then, don't.
>
>>> for 68k/powerpc/apple silicon, it ranges from nonexistent to very
>>> different.
>>
>> I'm not arguing about terminology here, firmware code needs access to
>> stored, possibly user supplied, settings during the boot axis yet
>> before disk access. Call it whatever you want, but if it were not
>> possibly 'user supplied' data it would not need to be in battery or
>> capacitor 'keep alive' voltage NVRAM as ROM would suffice.
>
> it's for persistent settings.

Yes, user and OS changeable 'persistent' settings before disk access is
made. ROM is even more persistent than NVRAM.

>> I posted that particular URL because it was the second hit in the
>> google search
>
> lots of stuff that comes up in a search isn't completely accurate, and
> sometimes not accurate at all.
>
>> URL BD supplied and it disagreed with him.
>
> quite a bit does.

There's a good chance that even an Apple computer still 'stores' such
'settings' in CMOS. This terminology has nothting to do with BIOS vs.
UEFI or whether or not there is a capacitor or a battery or a user
interface like the various old 'CMOS Setup' programs in BIOSes did.

I thought that his statement indicated a misunderstanding on his part,
and I still do.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:34 UTC

In article <tvthjk$3ibl2$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
<FTR@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>
> There's a good chance that even an Apple computer still 'stores' such
> 'settings' in CMOS. This terminology has nothting to do with BIOS vs.
> UEFI or whether or not there is a capacitor or a battery or a user
> interface like the various old 'CMOS Setup' programs in BIOSes did.

one of my pet peeves is the term cmos is used for pc nonvolatile
memory. it was originally cmos, but it isn't anymore.

cmos is a process, as are nmos, pmos, ttl, ecl and assorted others.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMOS>

in any event, mac os x, being unix based, stores a lot of stuff in
assorted config files. welcome to the 1970s. very little is stored in
nvram because nvram didn't exist back then.

> I thought that his statement indicated a misunderstanding on his part,
> and I still do.

everything david says indicates a grave misunderstanding of the world.

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 by: David Brooks - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 08:25 UTC

On 28/03/2023 02:58, FromTheRafters wrote:
> I thought that his statement indicated a misunderstanding on his part,
> and I still do.

Please point to the item which you /think/ I misunderstood.

Thanks.

Re: Anyone recognise this OS?

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 by: David Brooks - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 08:31 UTC

On 28/03/2023 03:34, nospam wrote:
> everything david says indicates a grave misunderstanding of the world.

Maybe that's because MY experience of it has been for far longer than
your own. :-P

I'm interested in what happens when YOU download and install ClamXAV?
Website:- www.clamxav.com

Are you able to run the "Free Trial" or are you asked to pay immediately?

Please advise.

--
David

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