Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote

>> Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
>>
>
> I think the odds are roughly the same as (politician's name)
> recanting his lies and handing back all the money.

While I don't disagree with Stan, what anyone can do is mirror the iPhone
audio, video, keyboard, clipboard and mouse onto Windows 10 for free.
<https://i.postimg.cc/k5gv0yw8/vysor34.jpg> Apple iOS & Android mirroring

In 999,999,999 out of 1,000,000,000 cases, the user will then be able to
send/receive text from the iPad on Windows - without another account.

In my case (1 out of 1,000,000,000), I can't because I ran a test of NOT
logging into the Apple mothership - & Apple literally killed the device.

Long story, but I tried _two_ iPads, both of which Apple killed off
(simply because I refused to log into the Apple mothership ever again).
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
<https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!
<https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg> Apple won't let you back in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
<https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Only Apple requires a login
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

So be it.

The point, which I was making in response to Ant's insinuation, was that
nothing works on the iPad if you refuse to log into the mothership servers.
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On 2023-10-09 16:12, Wally J wrote:
> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote
>
>>> Will MS be adding iPhone support into its old W10 in the future?
>>>
>>
>> I think the odds are roughly the same as (politician's name)
>> recanting his lies and handing back all the money.
>
> While I don't disagree with Stan, what anyone can do is mirror the iPhone
> audio, video, keyboard, clipboard and mouse onto Windows 10 for free.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/k5gv0yw8/vysor34.jpg> Apple iOS & Android mirroring
>
> In 999,999,999 out of 1,000,000,000 cases, the user will then be able to
> send/receive text from the iPad on Windows - without another account.
>
> In my case (1 out of 1,000,000,000), I can't because I ran a test of NOT
> logging into the Apple mothership - & Apple literally killed the device.

Now you're lying... ...again.

>
> Long story, but I tried _two_ iPads, both of which Apple killed off
> (simply because I refused to log into the Apple mothership ever again).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!

Nope. See that "Not Now" button?

> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!

Prove that was actually your iPad.

> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!

"To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"

Is there some important technical reason that both that and the
preceding image were so lo-res...

....or was it just that you didn't want people to be able to read what
was there?

> <https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!

See the "Unlock Account" button?

> <https://i.postimg.cc/SKGfmgnK/appleid05.jpg> Apple won't let you back in!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/ZR5mZ287/appleid07.jpg> Apple fails App Store test
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TwN6P0QR/appleid08.jpg> Only Apple requires a login
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login
>
> So be it.
>
> The point, which I was making in response to Ant's insinuation, was that
> nothing works on the iPad if you refuse to log into the mothership servers.

And your point is a lie.

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:

> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
>
> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
>
> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"

Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?

On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a
>>> lock out!
>>
>> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_
>>> your acct!
>>
>> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
>
> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
> account?

It can. You're (assuming you aren't just another Arlen nym) being lied
to, and swallowing that load of bullshit without question. Taste good?

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On 2023-10-10 00:19:33 +0000, Wolf Greenblatt said:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>
>> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
>>
>> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
>>
>> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
>
> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?

Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
"features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of the
apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log out
again.

On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>> account?
>
> It can.

No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:

>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
>
> Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
> "features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of the
> apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log out
> again.

You're a liar. Why are you lying?
You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.

You can't install apps without using that account.
You can't even send messages without logging into it.

When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.

On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> It can.
>
> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?

And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
that don't require any connection to Apple.

You're an idiot troll.

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On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
>> "features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of
>> the apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log
>> out again.
>
> You're a liar. Why are you lying?

No he isn't. You are though, and the reason is you're a weak troll.

> You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.

Wrong. You've clearly never tried.

> You can't install apps without using that account.

All App Stores require an account, liar.

> You can't even send messages without logging into it.

All messaging services require accounts, liar.

> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.

When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.

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On 2023-10-10 02:13:58 +0000, Wolf Greenblatt said:

> On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> It can.
>
> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

Another idiot for the killfile. :-\

On 2023-10-09 19:13, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 02:01:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple
>>> account?
>>
>> It can.
>
> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.

iMessage is a service separate from SMS.

Try sending a WhatsApp message without a WhatsApp login.

On 2023-10-09 17:19, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
>>
>> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
>>
>> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
>
> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?

It absolutely.

Sorry, Snowflake.

On 10 Oct 2023 03:50:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
>
> Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?

You lied that the iphone doesn't need to log into apple to send a message.
It does.

And now you lie that android needs an google account to send messages.
It doesn't.

Why are you lying about everything?
The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

> And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
> laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
> that don't require any connection to Apple.

Stop lying.

You can't even use ios without constantly logging into apple's servers.
The iphone can't even install apps without being logged into apple servers.

Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?

On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> All App Stores require an account, liar.

Why do you lie?
That you feel you need to lie about the apple login account is revealing.

You lied about the apple app store & now you're lying about the google play
app store which does not need you to create an account to use it.

>> You can't even send messages without logging into it.
>
> All messaging services require accounts, liar.

Why do you lie?

You lied saying apple messaging doesn't need people to create an account &
now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.

Apple's messaging won't work without an account. Android does.

>> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
>
> When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.

Why are you lying denying that nothing works on ios without the user being
logged into an account. Not the messaging. Not installing apps. Nothing.

All that works on android without needing to create any server login.
Why do you lie when everyone knows none of that works on ios without it?

On 2023-10-10, Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> All App Stores require an account, liar.
>
> Why do you lie?
> you need to lie
> You lied
> you're lying
> Why do you lie?
> You lied
> you're lyingi
> Why are you lying
> Why do you lie

The lady doth protests too much, me thinks.

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On 2023-10-10 00:34, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 03:50:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> No it can't. You're a liar. Try it. Send me an imessage without it.
>>
>> Which messaging services don't require an account, dip shit?
>
> You lied that the iphone doesn't need to log into apple to send a message.
> It does.

No, he didn't lie about that.

But using the example that a messaging service requires and ID is just...

....really stupid.

>
> And now you lie that android needs an google account to send messages.
> It doesn't.

That's not what he said.

He said that messaging services require IDs...

....which is true.

>
> Why are you lying about everything?
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

Utterly false.

>
>> And your suggestion that iPads are only useful for messaging is
>> laughable on its face. There are tons of things you can do on an iPad
>> that don't require any connection to Apple.
>
> Stop lying.

He's not.

>
> You can't even use ios without constantly logging into apple's servers.

False.

> The iphone can't even install apps without being logged into apple servers.

You need to log in to install the app.

Then you don't need to be logged in to USE the app.

>
> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?

He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.

On 2023-10-10 00:39, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2023 03:52:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> All App Stores require an account, liar.
>
> Why do you lie?

How is that a lie?

> That you feel you need to lie about the apple login account is revealing.
>
> You lied about the apple app store & now you're lying about the google play
> app store which does not need you to create an account to use it.

Attempting to download a FREE book from the Google Play store:

"Please sign in

In order to continue, you must sign in."

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>

>
>>> You can't even send messages without logging into it.
>>
>> All messaging services require accounts, liar.
>
> Why do you lie?
>
> You lied saying apple messaging doesn't need people to create an account &

No, he didn't say that.

> now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.

All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...

....because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.

>
> Apple's messaging won't work without an account. Android does.

Show how that is supposed to work.

>
>
>>> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.
>>
>> When you stop trolling, the world will instantly be a better place.
>
> Why are you lying denying that nothing works on ios without the user being
> logged into an account. Not the messaging. Not installing apps. Nothing.

He's not lying.

Lots of things work.

>
> All that works on android without needing to create any server login.

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>

> Why do you lie when everyone knows none of that works on ios without it?

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
>
> He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.

It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.

Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the
default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.

Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.

The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

On 2023-10-10 11:58, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
>>
>> He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.
>
> It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.

That's a lie.

>
> Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the
> default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.

Those are both false.

But go ahead, explain how you send messages with having an account.

>
> Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
> taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.

I showed you a screenshot to prove that false:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p4nAhzDqg5nBSyDAaMHS13cYeW8I-Cw3/view?usp=share_link>

>
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

I'm sorry, but that is laughably false.

I can turn off all forms of data on my iPhone and still do a lot of
things with it.

If it were actually just "a dumb terminal", that wouldn't be possible.

:-)

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:10:31 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
>
> All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...
>
> ...because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.

You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?

The android default messenger works without having to create any account on
any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.

It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.

Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?

The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

On 2023-10-10 12:39, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 08:10:31 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> now you're lying about android messaging needing them to create one.
>>
>> All messaging services require accounts, you ignoramus...
>>
>> ...because they need to know WHERE to send the messages.
>
> You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?

Why won't you address my point?

>
> The android default messenger works without having to create any account on
> any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.

"the android default messenger" is what: SMS?

iOS can send and receive messages without an Apple account.

'You can use iMessage even with iCloud completely disabled, or even if
you’ve never setup an iCloud account at all. If you’re on an iPhone, you
don’t even need to sign in with an Apple ID if you only want to send and
receive iMessages using your cellular phone number; an Apple account is
only required to associate email addresses with iMessage.'

<https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/using-imessage-without-icloud>

>
> It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.

No. It is not.

>
> Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
> unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?

What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?

And I haven't lied about anything.

>
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

The only dumb thing in this thread is you, my friend.

On 2023-10-09 20:19, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:48:08 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>> Nope. See that "Not Now" button?
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/g008YhxP/appleid02.jpg> Apple _forces_ a lock out!
>>
>> Prove that was actually your iPad.
>>
>>> <https://i.postimg.cc/q75t7MSk/appleid03.jpg> Apple _disables_ your acct!
>>
>> "To enable your account, reset your password on appleid.apple.com"
>
> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?

My iPad works fine not logged in. Of course that means I don't have
Apple Messages, synchronization with my Notes, Reminders, etc. on my
other devices.

Everything else is fine.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-10-09 22:17, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:09:05 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>
>>> Why can't the ipad work without being forced to log into an Apple account?
>>
>> Our iPad is not logged into an account and doesn't use any iCloud
>> "features". The only time I log in is in the App Store when one of the
>> apps has an updated version to install, and after updating I log out
>> again.
>
> You're a liar. Why are you lying?
> You had to create the apple account or the ios ipad/iphone won't work.
>
> You can't install apps without using that account.
> You can't even send messages without logging into it.
>
> When you stop lying, then we can continue a normal conversation.

Nobody's lying.

My iPad works fine w/o being logged in. But for those things that need
the Apple account, of course one has to be logged in.

Just like for my Proton Mail to send/receive I have to be logged into
that account.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-10-10 14:58, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 07:59:16 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> Why are you lying about the need to log into apple servers to do anything?
>>
>> He's not and you're apparently to ignorant and/or stupid to figure that out.
>
> It's not a question of whether you lied or not because you definitely lied.
>
> Android does not need you to create any account to send messages using the
> default messaging app that comes with every android phone. iOS does.

Not at all.

If I'm on my iPhone, logged out of Apple, SMS/MMS works fine because:
phone. No log in at all.

And so do all other messaging apps. Because: phone and/or WiFi. And I
have to be logged into those too for them to work.

It's only Apple's messaging system that requires I log in. Of course.

> Android does not need you to create any account to find and install apps
> taken directly off the official app store. iOS does.

Yes. This is the Apple way. Don't like it? Fine. Move along.

>
> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.

Far from it.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 13:10:30 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> You lied. Why did you lie when everyone knows how it works?
>
> Why won't you address my point?

You are trying to bring up unrelated apps like whatsapp and youtube, which,
of course, they need an account. You did that because you lied about the
default messenger which doesn't need an account on the google server for
android but which needs the account on the apple server for ios to work.

>> The android default messenger works without having to create any account on
>> any google servers. The ios default messenger requires that apple account.
>
> "the android default messenger" is what: SMS?

It's both sms & mms and it does not need any account on the google server.

> iOS can send and receive messages without an Apple account.
>
> 'You can use iMessage even with iCloud completely disabled, or even if
> you’ve never setup an iCloud account at all. If you’re on an iPhone, you
> don’t even need to sign in with an Apple ID if you only want to send and
> receive iMessages using your cellular phone number; an Apple account is
> only required to associate email addresses with iMessage.'
>
> <https://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/using-imessage-without-icloud>

The icloud is different than requiring an apple id just to download and
install apps. Besides that was for ios 5 and you're on ios 17 now.

Apple removed that long ago, around ios 9 or 10.

Now you can't send or receive anything in apple's ios messages without
creating an apple account on the apple servers. With android you can.

>> It's even worse with your unique apple id required just to run free apps.
>
> No. It is not.

Why do you think apple inserts a unique id into every app you install?
Google doesn't do that for Android apps. Only apple does that.

>> Android does not put a google id into your free apps. Apple puts your
>> unique apple id into your free apps. Are you going to lie about that too?
>
> What does it matter if an ID is put into a free app?

Are you playing dumb? Or are you really so dumb as not know why it matters?
> And I haven't lied about anything.

You're right. You lied about ios messages not needing the apple account.
And you lied about the app store not needing the apple account.

But you were not lying when you were playing dumb by claiming that you
don't know why apple inserting your unique apple id into every app you
download (even free apps) matters.

>> The iphone is a dumb terminal connected to the apple mainframe servers.
>
> The only dumb thing in this thread is you, my friend.

You lied about the app store apple id.
You lied about the messages apple id.
You say you don't know why it matters that apple inserts your id into apps.

I confront you on those lies. And then you say it's me who is dumb?
I'm only asking you why you feel it's necessary for you to lie about it?

Just admit ios is a dumb terminal that needs to log into apple servers.