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* Replacement for iMac 2018Doctor Strange
+- Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Alan Browne
+* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018heron stone
|`* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018super70s
| +- Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Joerg Lorenz
| +- Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Alan Browne
| `- Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Jolly Roger
`* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Fishrrman
 +* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Wade Garrett
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 +* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Alan Browne
 |`* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Jolly Roger
 | `* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Alan Browne
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 |   `* Re: Replacement for iMac 2018Alan Browne
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 by: Doctor Strange - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 10:27 UTC

I have a 2018 27inch iMac.

I surf, check emails and play the odd Apple Arcade game, so not high
powered use!

Its specs are as follows

4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
Radeon Pro 580 8 GB
64 GB 2400 MHz DDR4

I fancy a change and there are no M1/M2 27ich iMacs at the moment.

So what do I change to?

Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??

I think the 24 inch iMac will be a much smaller screen than I am used to
and I think even the top end 24 inch iMac will be not much different
than my current set up.

So do I go for a Mac Mini with 10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 26GB Unified Memory?

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 by: Alan Browne - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 18:56 UTC

On 2023-02-08 05:27, Doctor Strange wrote:
> I have a 2018 27inch iMac.
>
> I surf, check emails and play the odd Apple Arcade game, so not high
> powered use!
>
> Its specs are as follows
>
> 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
> Radeon Pro 580 8 GB
> 64 GB 2400 MHz DDR4
>
> I fancy a change and there are no M1/M2 27ich iMacs at the moment.
>
> So what do I change to?
>
>
> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>
> I think the 24 inch iMac will be a much smaller screen than I am used to
> and I think even the top end 24 inch iMac will be not much different
> than my current set up.
>
> So do I go for a Mac Mini with 10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 26GB Unified Memory?

Jump to [AAA] for the shorter version.

My iMac is 27", 2012 model, i7 quad/HT with 24 GB of RAM.

I do more than you seem to do with yours (though not arcade games and if
there is a weak point here, it is the graphics capability).

I would happily go to a 24" model as I have other screens lying around
to make a double or triple setup as needs (wants) may be. I don't find
that I "use" the 27" to its fullness in any case.

[AAA]

I haven't upgraded yet as I'm waiting for the next iMac which will be M2
or M3 depending on which rumour you fancy most. That might not appear
until the fall - esp. if it is an M3.

Same rumour mills point to a 27" version as well.

The Mac Mini M2 rolled out a couple weeks ago. It has a pretty strong
spec, esp. the higher end models - where you also get more ports. Very
tempting.

So, I'm standing pat for now to see what the next iMac model will bring.
Once it's announced I'll pour over the spec's of the various models
and choose. I will certainly order whatever I choose on day 0.

It is time!

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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 by: heron stone - Wed, 8 Feb 2023 23:12 UTC

On Feb 8, 2023, Doctor Strange wrote
(in article<jEydnR4JGaqK5H7-nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):

> I have a 2018 27inch iMac.
>
> I surf, check emails and play the odd Apple Arcade game, so not high
> powered use!
>
> Its specs are as follows
>
> 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
> Radeon Pro 580 8 GB
> 64 GB 2400 MHz DDR4
>
> I fancy a change and there are no M1/M2 27ich iMacs at the moment.
>
> So what do I change to?
>
> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>
> I think the 24 inch iMac will be a much smaller screen than I am used to
> and I think even the top end 24 inch iMac will be not much different
> than my current set up.
>
> So do I go for a Mac Mini with 10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 26GB Unified Memory?

keep what you’ve got
or get a refurbished 2020 iMac

i can’t live with a 24” monitor

so i got a 2020 iMac 27” and i’m quite happy with it
and i added a 32” 4k second monitor

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 by: Fishrrman - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 18:28 UTC

On 2/8/23 5:27 AM, Doctor Strange wrote:
> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??

That would be a 2017-design iMac you have. Nice Mac.

There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near
future. Right now, no one knows.

If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released
around June, when the World Wide Development conference is on.

Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the
iMac, content to release only the 24" model.

If you had to replace what you have right now?
I'd be thinking "Mini".
Either the m2 "midrange" model, or possibly even the m2pro
model.

For a display?
I don't care for the Studio display -- to much $$$.
I'd be looking at a third party 4k 27" display, but of
course that will "look like" 1080p when run in "HiDPI" mode.

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 by: Wade Garrett - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 23:22 UTC

On 2/9/23 1:28 PM, Fishrrman wrote:
> On 2/8/23 5:27 AM, Doctor Strange wrote:
>> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>
> That would be a 2017-design iMac you have. Nice Mac.
>
> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near future. Right
> now, no one knows.
>
> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released around June,
> when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>
> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the iMac, content
> to release only the 24" model.
>
> If you had to replace what you have right now?
> I'd be thinking "Mini".
> Either the m2 "midrange" model, or possibly even the m2pro model.
>
> For a display?
> I don't care for the Studio display -- to much $$$.
> I'd be looking at a third party 4k 27" display, but of course that will
> "look like" 1080p when run in "HiDPI" mode.

I was hankering for some new silicon to move beyond my 2019 21.5" 1-TB
Fusion Drive iMac. So I sprung for a 512 M2 Mac mini at Costco and an
on-sale 27" 4k Samsung monitor at another store and connected them by
HDMI. Though I kept the Magic Mouse 2 and Magic KB from the iMac, I was
still needing to add better speakers better than the vintage beige Dell
pair I pulled out of the closet to temporarily hook up-- plus a
webcam/mic combo.

To make a long story short, I was disappointed in the new mini's overall
performance. Though seek times were certainy quicker from the SSD,
overall proicessing didn't seem all that much faster than my iMac for my
day-to-day casual and not very demanding computer use.

And while the large sharp screen was quite nice-- I couldn't adjust
monitor brightness using the F1 and F2 keys, the monitor lagged coming
on from wake up, and making common monitor adjustments involved an
auto-popup 6 line menu requiring a two-finger chicken dance with the
five buttons mounted under the front edge of the screen to change
anything. I tried a higher end monitor-- still no joy.

So I said the hell with it, double-wiped/reset the mini, packed up the
monitor, hit the return counters-- and I'm back on my iMac again with
over a grand's credit back on the old American Exoress card :-(

--
Landy: “Noah, she's one of us. You start down this path, where does it end?”
Vosen: “It ends when we’ve won.”

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 by: Alan Browne - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 23:33 UTC

On 2023-02-09 18:22, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 2/9/23 1:28 PM, Fishrrman wrote:
>> On 2/8/23 5:27 AM, Doctor Strange wrote:
>>> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>>
>> That would be a 2017-design iMac you have. Nice Mac.
>>
>> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near future. Right
>> now, no one knows.
>>
>> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released around June,
>> when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>>
>> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the iMac, content
>> to release only the 24" model.
>>
>> If you had to replace what you have right now?
>> I'd be thinking "Mini".
>> Either the m2 "midrange" model, or possibly even the m2pro model.
>>
>> For a display?
>> I don't care for the Studio display -- to much $$$.
>> I'd be looking at a third party 4k 27" display, but of course that
>> will "look like" 1080p when run in "HiDPI" mode.
>
> I was hankering for some new silicon to move beyond my 2019 21.5" 1-TB
> Fusion Drive iMac. So I sprung for a 512 M2 Mac mini at Costco and an
> on-sale 27" 4k Samsung monitor at another store and connected them by
> HDMI. Though I kept the Magic Mouse 2 and Magic KB from the iMac, I was
> still needing to add better speakers better than the vintage beige Dell
> pair I pulled out of the closet to temporarily hook up-- plus a
> webcam/mic combo.

You can use your iPhone as a webcam for the mini if it comes to that.

> To make a long story short, I was disappointed in the new mini's overall
> performance. Though seek times were certainy quicker from the SSD,
> overall proicessing didn't seem all that much faster than my iMac for my
> day-to-day casual and not very demanding computer use.

You'd need to do some intense task to tell ... such as a Handbrake
conversion of a video, to get a good measure of it...

> And while the large sharp screen was quite nice-- I couldn't adjust
> monitor brightness using the F1 and F2 keys, the monitor lagged coming
> on from wake up, and making common monitor adjustments involved an
> auto-popup 6 line menu requiring a two-finger chicken dance with the
> five buttons mounted under the front edge of the screen to change
> anything. I tried a higher end monitor-- still no joy.

Sounds like my work Mini (intel) experience ... which is worse as it's
two smaller monitors and sometime one won't come on at all w/o some
dancing around...

Your experience kind of suggests to me that an iMac is probably what I
really want to replace this one.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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 by: Alan Browne - Thu, 9 Feb 2023 23:34 UTC

On 2023-02-09 13:28, Fishrrman wrote:
> On 2/8/23 5:27 AM, Doctor Strange wrote:
>> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>
> That would be a 2017-design iMac you have. Nice Mac.
>
> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near future. Right
> now, no one knows.
>
> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released around June,
> when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>
> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the iMac, content
> to release only the 24" model.
>
> If you had to replace what you have right now?
> I'd be thinking "Mini".
> Either the m2 "midrange" model, or possibly even the m2pro model.
>
> For a display?
> I don't care for the Studio display -- to much $$$.
> I'd be looking at a third party 4k 27" display, but of course that will
> "look like" 1080p when run in "HiDPI" mode.

A good quality 3rd party 4K display on the mini should look ... like a
4K display.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 00:22 UTC

On 2023-02-09, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-02-09 13:28, Fishrrman wrote:
>> On 2/8/23 5:27 AM, Doctor Strange wrote:
>>> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>>
>> That would be a 2017-design iMac you have. Nice Mac.
>>
>> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near future.
>> Right now, no one knows.
>>
>> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released around June,
>> when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>>
>> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the iMac,
>> content to release only the 24" model.
>>
>> If you had to replace what you have right now? I'd be thinking
>> "Mini". Either the m2 "midrange" model, or possibly even the m2pro
>> model.
>>
>> For a display? I don't care for the Studio display -- to much $$$.
>> I'd be looking at a third party 4k 27" display, but of course that
>> will "look like" 1080p when run in "HiDPI" mode.
>
> A good quality 3rd party 4K display on the mini should look ... like a
> 4K display.

A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of image
and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk and the
difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and behaves as
you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to overall usability
and display controls.

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 by: Alan Browne - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 01:17 UTC

On 2023-02-09 19:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-02-09, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-02-09 13:28, Fishrrman wrote:
>>> On 2/8/23 5:27 AM, Doctor Strange wrote:
>>>> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>>>
>>> That would be a 2017-design iMac you have. Nice Mac.
>>>
>>> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near future.
>>> Right now, no one knows.
>>>
>>> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released around June,
>>> when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>>>
>>> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the iMac,
>>> content to release only the 24" model.
>>>
>>> If you had to replace what you have right now? I'd be thinking
>>> "Mini". Either the m2 "midrange" model, or possibly even the m2pro
>>> model.
>>>
>>> For a display? I don't care for the Studio display -- to much $$$.
>>> I'd be looking at a third party 4k 27" display, but of course that
>>> will "look like" 1080p when run in "HiDPI" mode.
>>
>> A good quality 3rd party 4K display on the mini should look ... like a
>> 4K display.
>
> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
> regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of image
> and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk and the
> difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and behaves as
> you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to overall usability
> and display controls.

Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.

--
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danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 01:42 UTC

On 2023-02-10, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-02-09 19:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-02-09, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A good quality 3rd party 4K display on the mini should look ... like
>>> a 4K display.
>>
>> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
>> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
>> regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of
>> image and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk
>> and the difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and
>> behaves as you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to
>> overall usability and display controls.
>
> Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.

It's not for everyone. Just thought I would mention it. There aren't
many good-quality 5K displays on the market, and the Studio display
stands out in that regard.

--
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 by: Alan Browne - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 02:24 UTC

On 2023-02-09 20:42, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-02-10, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-02-09 19:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-02-09, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A good quality 3rd party 4K display on the mini should look ... like
>>>> a 4K display.
>>>
>>> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
>>> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
>>> regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of
>>> image and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk
>>> and the difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and
>>> behaves as you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to
>>> overall usability and display controls.
>>
>> Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.
>
> It's not for everyone. Just thought I would mention it. There aren't
> many good-quality 5K displays on the market, and the Studio display
> stands out in that regard.

I have little doubt about its quality.

--
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danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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In article <%VhFL.567685$8_id.333503@fx09.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> >>> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
> >>> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
> >>> regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of
> >>> image and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk
> >>> and the difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and
> >>> behaves as you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to
> >>> overall usability and display controls.
> >>
> >> Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.
> >
> > It's not for everyone. Just thought I would mention it. There aren't
> > many good-quality 5K displays on the market, and the Studio display
> > stands out in that regard.
>
> I have little doubt about its quality.

the display is good, the camera not so much.

it uses an a13 running a variant of ios, making it in effect, a really
big iphone 11 or 9th gen ipad.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 03:51 UTC

On 2023-02-10, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <%VhFL.567685$8_id.333503@fx09.iad>, Alan Browne
><bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> >>> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
>> >>> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
>> >>> regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of
>> >>> image and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk
>> >>> and the difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and
>> >>> behaves as you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to
>> >>> overall usability and display controls.
>> >>
>> >> Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.
>> >
>> > It's not for everyone. Just thought I would mention it. There aren't
>> > many good-quality 5K displays on the market, and the Studio display
>> > stands out in that regard.
>>
>> I have little doubt about its quality.
>
> the display is good, the camera not so much.
>
> it uses an a13 running a variant of ios, making it in effect, a really
> big iphone 11 or 9th gen ipad.

Yeah, the camera is a camera, but that's about all you can say about its
quality, but it works well enough even in low light, and Center Stage is
nice. The other aspects of the display are what put it above competing
5K displays.

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Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near
> future. Right now, no one knows.
>
> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released
> around June, when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>
> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the
> iMac, content to release only the 24" model.

The discontinuation of the 27" iMac has revived the market for external
displays with Mac suitable pixel density.

Does Apple want to blow that up?

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On 2023-02-09 21:48, nospam wrote:
> In article <%VhFL.567685$8_id.333503@fx09.iad>, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
>>>>> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in this
>>>>> regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in terms of
>>>>> image and audio quality. I have them sitting side by side on my desk
>>>>> and the difference is stark. Plus it has a good integrated camera and
>>>>> behaves as you expect an Apple monitor to behave with regard to
>>>>> overall usability and display controls.
>>>>
>>>> Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.
>>>
>>> It's not for everyone. Just thought I would mention it. There aren't
>>> many good-quality 5K displays on the market, and the Studio display
>>> stands out in that regard.
>>
>> I have little doubt about its quality.
>
> the display is good, the camera not so much.
>
> it uses an a13 running a variant of ios, making it in effect, a really
> big iphone 11 or 9th gen ipad.

More than good enough for most people's Facetime (etc.) calls. Just add
some lighting to make it work well.

And you can always use a better camera - including later iPhones.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

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 by: Alan Browne - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:02 UTC

On 2023-02-10 06:34, Niels Jørgen Kruse wrote:
> Fishrrman <Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There may, or may not be a 27" iMac released in the near
>> future. Right now, no one knows.
>>
>> If there's to be one, I'm thinking it might be released
>> around June, when the World Wide Development conference is on.
>>
>> Then again, Apple may be thinking about scaling back the
>> iMac, content to release only the 24" model.
>
> The discontinuation of the 27" iMac has revived the market for external
> displays with Mac suitable pixel density.
>
> Does Apple want to blow that up?

A couple rumour mills believe a 27" iMac will be in the offing this year.

Possibly as a "Pro". Possibly with an M3. If the latter, then likely
late fall or early 2024.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:05 UTC

On 2023-02-10, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-02-09 21:48, nospam wrote:
>> In article <%VhFL.567685$8_id.333503@fx09.iad>, Alan Browne
>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> A 5K display is a much better fit as the image will be sharper in
>>>>>> general. I can say the 27" Apple Studio display is excellent in
>>>>>> this regard - it puts the LG UltraFine 4K display to shame in
>>>>>> terms of image and audio quality. I have them sitting side by
>>>>>> side on my desk and the difference is stark. Plus it has a good
>>>>>> integrated camera and behaves as you expect an Apple monitor to
>>>>>> behave with regard to overall usability and display controls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noted, but not where my sheckels are attracted.
>>>>
>>>> It's not for everyone. Just thought I would mention it. There
>>>> aren't many good-quality 5K displays on the market, and the Studio
>>>> display stands out in that regard.
>>>
>>> I have little doubt about its quality.
>>
>> the display is good, the camera not so much.
>>
>> it uses an a13 running a variant of ios, making it in effect, a
>> really big iphone 11 or 9th gen ipad.
>
> More than good enough for most people's Facetime (etc.) calls. Just
> add some lighting to make it work well.

Yes, I will say it's perfectly sufficient for video calls. It's just
impressive in terms of resolution or quality compared to higher-end
cameras.

> And you can always use a better camera - including later iPhones.

Yep. I have a 1080p Logitech StreamCam that I used before getting the
Studio display, but the lack of Center Stage and bizarre tendency to
focus on the background rather than the subject make it less than ideal
for me. So, I use the built-in camera instead.

There are definitely alternatives to the Studio display, where you can
mix and match your own display, microphone, speakers, and camera - some
cheaper, some more expensive, and of varying quality - if that's your
thing. And that's great - competition is good.

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On 2023-02-08 23:12:26 +0000, heron stone said:

> On Feb 8, 2023, Doctor Strange wrote
> (in article<jEydnR4JGaqK5H7-nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>):
>
>> I have a 2018 27inch iMac.
>>
>> I surf, check emails and play the odd Apple Arcade game, so not high
>> powered use!
>>
>> Its specs are as follows
>>
>> 4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
>> Radeon Pro 580 8 GB
>> 64 GB 2400 MHz DDR4
>>
>> I fancy a change and there are no M1/M2 27ich iMacs at the moment.
>>
>> So what do I change to?
>>
>> Will there be an M1/M2 27 inch in the near future??
>>
>> I think the 24 inch iMac will be a much smaller screen than I am used to
>> and I think even the top end 24 inch iMac will be not much different
>> than my current set up.
>>
>> So do I go for a Mac Mini with 10-Core CPU 16-Core GPU 26GB Unified Memory?
>
> keep what you’ve got
> or get a refurbished 2020 iMac
>
> i can’t live with a 24” monitor
>
> so i got a 2020 iMac 27” and i’m quite happy with it
> and i added a 32” 4k second monitor

I'm probably in the severe minority but I don't like huge screens
myself. One of the reasons I have an old A1225 20", even if it does max
out with El Capitan. And even 20" seemed like overkill after all the
years I spent staring at Apple's smaller CRT monitors.

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Am 11.02.23 um 08:20 schrieb super70s:
> On 2023-02-08 23:12:26 +0000, heron stone said:
>> i can’t live with a 24” monitor
>>
>> so i got a 2020 iMac 27” and i’m quite happy with it
>> and i added a 32” 4k second monitor
>
> I'm probably in the severe minority but I don't like huge screens
> myself. One of the reasons I have an old A1225 20", even if it does max
> out with El Capitan. And even 20" seemed like overkill after all the
> years I spent staring at Apple's smaller CRT monitors.

Two weeks ago I switched from my 15" MBA from 2019 to the new mini M2pro
with a 4K 27" Dell screen because I wanted a more eye-friendly solution
for my hour long stints at the computer. Does as expected.

In addition I love the feeling of solution that allows a lot of windows
open at the same time whithout having them on top of each other. I even
can watch TV during my computer work (CNN,BBC, n-tv and BFM).

The Intel-MBA is still a high-end laptop but it has physical limitations
that cannot be overcome. These changes are due to the fact that I
retired a while ago.

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 by: Alan Browne - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 12:57 UTC

On 2023-02-11 02:20, super70s wrote:
> On 2023-02-08 23:12:26 +0000, heron stone said:
>> i can’t live with a 24” monitor
>>
>> so i got a 2020 iMac 27” and i’m quite happy with it
>> and i added a 32” 4k second monitor
>
> I'm probably in the severe minority but I don't like huge screens
> myself. One of the reasons I have an old A1225 20", even if it does max
> out with El Capitan. And even 20" seemed like overkill after all the
> years I spent staring at Apple's smaller CRT monitors.

Depends on use case. I have a 27" iMac and spend 95% of my time on the
left 80% (it sits off centre on my desk because I have a 20" side
monitor). So I've relegated some "info" apps to the right side (Notes,
reminders and so on). The side monitor for things like e-mail and
other secondary utilities.

For graphics work or when working cross app (Word + Excel both open
while working), then the large screen is very useful.

That said, if the new iMac (M2|M3) is only available in 24" I'll be fine
with it. OTOH, if it's 27", then I'll move a 27" Samsung monitor onto
the desk to be the side monitor.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:45 UTC

On 2023-02-11, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
> I'm probably in the severe minority but I don't like huge screens
> myself. One of the reasons I have an old A1225 20", even if it does max
> out with El Capitan. And even 20" seemed like overkill after all the
> years I spent staring at Apple's smaller CRT monitors.

I have a 5K Apple Studio display sitting next to a 4K LG UltraFine
display and still find myself wanting more real estate. The Studio
display is my main display and the LG display is secondary. I mostly use
the secondary display for long-running things that I need to monitor
like my security cameras, remote screen sharing sessions, and so on. On
my main display, I typically have 3-4 virtual desktops running in
Mission Control dedicated to software development, HD video editing and
encoding, monitoring various servers, and so on.

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