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by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:50 UTC

On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.

"WRK" [super,clusterwide]

which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
That is on 8.4.

On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
SHOWn.

Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
cluster-wide?

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by: Chris Townley - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:55 UTC

On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
>
> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
>
> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> That is on 8.4.
>
> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> SHOWn.
>
> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> cluster-wide?
>
Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?

--
Chris

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by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:01 UTC

In article <s9dpdv$nga$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
<news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

> On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
> >
> > "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
> >
> > which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> > That is on 8.4.
> >
> > On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> > SHOWn.
> >
> > Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> > cluster-wide?
> >
> Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?

Yes, that's the question: how, exactly, to look at the table to
determine if it is cluster-wide.

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by: Dave Froble - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:08 UTC

On 6/4/2021 1:50 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
>
> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
>
> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> That is on 8.4.
>
> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> SHOWn.
>
> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> cluster-wide?
>

Easy. Don't run old versions. There are reasons new versions exist.
To fix problems, and add new features.

Your problem was fixed in V8.4, so, run V8.4.

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David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
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by: Jeffrey H. Coffield - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:10 UTC

On 06/04/2021 10:50 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
>
> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
>
> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> That is on 8.4.
>
> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> SHOWn.
>
> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> cluster-wide?
>
-------------------------------
HELP DEFINE/CLUSTER
....
Defines a clusterwide logical name in the LNM$SYSCLUSTER table.
--------------------------------
Although on V8.3 Alpha and V8.4 Itanium the table show up as
LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE

Jeff Coffield

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by: Chris Townley - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:23 UTC

On 04/06/2021 19:01, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <s9dpdv$nga$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
>>>
>>> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
>>>
>>> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
>>> That is on 8.4.
>>>
>>> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
>>> SHOWn.
>>>
>>> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
>>> cluster-wide?
>>>
>> Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?
>
> Yes, that's the question: how, exactly, to look at the table to
> determine if it is cluster-wide.
>
You could try show logi/cluster and see if it turns up there!

I remember messing around with cluster logicals a while back on IA646,
but don't have access to a cluster any more

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by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:40 UTC

In article <s9dqa2$v9e$1@dont-email.me>, "Jeffrey H. Coffield"
<jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> writes:

> On 06/04/2021 10:50 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
> >
> > "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
> >
> > which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> > That is on 8.4.
> >
> > On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> > SHOWn.
> >
> > Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> > cluster-wide?
> >
> -------------------------------
> HELP DEFINE/CLUSTER
> ....
> Defines a clusterwide logical name in the LNM$SYSCLUSTER table.
> --------------------------------
> Although on V8.3 Alpha and V8.4 Itanium the table show up as
> LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE

I want to know how to determine if a logical-name TABLE is cluster-wide.

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by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:41 UTC

In article <s9dr26$4c4$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
<news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

> On 04/06/2021 19:01, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > In article <s9dpdv$nga$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> > <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >> On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> >>> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
> >>>
> >>> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
> >>>
> >>> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> >>> That is on 8.4.
> >>>
> >>> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> >>> SHOWn.
> >>>
> >>> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> >>> cluster-wide?
> >>>
> >> Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?
> >
> > Yes, that's the question: how, exactly, to look at the table to
> > determine if it is cluster-wide.
> >
> You could try show logi/cluster and see if it turns up there!

Works on 8.4, but not 7.3-2.

> I remember messing around with cluster logicals a while back on IA646,
> but don't have access to a cluster any more

An interesting concept is a table with restricted access with parent
table LNM$SYSCLUSTER.

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by: Chris Townley - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 19:14 UTC

On 04/06/2021 19:41, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <s9dr26$4c4$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 04/06/2021 19:01, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>> In article <s9dpdv$nga$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
>>> <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>>>> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
>>>>>
>>>>> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
>>>>>
>>>>> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
>>>>> That is on 8.4.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
>>>>> SHOWn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
>>>>> cluster-wide?
>>>>>
>>>> Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?
>>>
>>> Yes, that's the question: how, exactly, to look at the table to
>>> determine if it is cluster-wide.
>>>
>> You could try show logi/cluster and see if it turns up there!
>
> Works on 8.4, but not 7.3-2.
>
>> I remember messing around with cluster logicals a while back on IA646,
>> but don't have access to a cluster any more
>
> An interesting concept is a table with restricted access with parent
> table LNM$SYSCLUSTER.
>

Sorry - I only have access to 8.3 or 8.4-2L1

Can the show logical/structure help?

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by: Jim - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 19:23 UTC

On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 3:14:29 PM UTC-4, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 04/06/2021 19:41, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > In article <s9dr26$4c4$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> > <ne...@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >> On 04/06/2021 19:01, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> >>> In article <s9dpdv$nga$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> >>> <ne...@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> >>>>> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> >>>>> That is on 8.4.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> >>>>> SHOWn.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> >>>>> cluster-wide?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's the question: how, exactly, to look at the table to
> >>> determine if it is cluster-wide.
> >>>
> >> You could try show logi/cluster and see if it turns up there!
> >
> > Works on 8.4, but not 7.3-2.
> >
> >> I remember messing around with cluster logicals a while back on IA646,
> >> but don't have access to a cluster any more
> >
> > An interesting concept is a table with restricted access with parent
> > table LNM$SYSCLUSTER.
> >
> Sorry - I only have access to 8.3 or 8.4-2L1
>
> Can the show logical/structure help?
>
>
> --
> Chris

Don't have 7.3 to test but perhaps this will work to display your cluster
wide tables...

$ pipe show log/table=LNM$CLUSTER_TABLE/descendant | -
search sys$pipe "(",")"/match=and

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by: Phillip Helbig (undr - Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:13 UTC

In article <s9du2i$hkq$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
<news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:

> On 04/06/2021 19:41, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> > In article <s9dr26$4c4$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> > <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >> On 04/06/2021 19:01, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> >>> In article <s9dpdv$nga$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Townley
> >>> <news@cct-net.co.uk> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/06/2021 18:50, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> >>>>> On 8.4, logical names SHOW as, e.g.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "WRK" [super,clusterwide]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> which presumably indicates that the corresponding table is cluster-wide.
> >>>>> That is on 8.4.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7.3-2, the ",clusterwide" is missing, though the same table is being
> >>>>> SHOWn.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any way to find out on older versions of VMS whether a table is
> >>>>> cluster-wide?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Find the table it is defined in, then look at that table?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's the question: how, exactly, to look at the table to
> >>> determine if it is cluster-wide.
> >>>
> >> You could try show logi/cluster and see if it turns up there!
> >
> > Works on 8.4, but not 7.3-2.
> >
> >> I remember messing around with cluster logicals a while back on IA646,
> >> but don't have access to a cluster any more
> >
> > An interesting concept is a table with restricted access with parent
> > table LNM$SYSCLUSTER.
> >
>
> Sorry - I only have access to 8.3 or 8.4-2L1
>
> Can the show logical/structure help?

Yes!

Being schizophrenic is better than living alone.

computers / comp.os.vms / Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables

Subject	Author
cluster-wide logical-name tables	Phillip Helbig (undress to reply
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Chris Townley
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Phillip Helbig (undress to reply
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Chris Townley
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Phillip Helbig (undress to reply
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Chris Townley
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Jim
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Phillip Helbig (undress to reply
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Dave Froble
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Jeffrey H. Coffield
Re: cluster-wide logical-name tables	Phillip Helbig (undress to reply