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SubjectAuthor
* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Rink
`* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Adam H. Kerman
 `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Julien_ÉLIE
  `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Adam H. Kerman
   `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Richard Kettlewell
    `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Adam H. Kerman
     +- Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Richard Kettlewell
     `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Retro Guy
      +* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Adam H. Kerman
      |`* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Julien_ÉLIE
      | +- Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Adam H. Kerman
      | +* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Retro Guy
      | |`* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Adam H. Kerman
      | | `- Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Retro Guy
      | `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Marcel Logen
      |  `- Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Julien_ÉLIE
      `* Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Julien_ÉLIE
       `- Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)Retro Guy

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Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Rink
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 10:44 UTC
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From: rink.hof...@planet.nl (Rink)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
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Op 2-5-2021 om 9:02 schreef Newsgroup Changes Report:

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

     ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/control.ctl

     ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/README

     ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/LOGS/



Could you please change the   ftp://  in these links in :
http://
or
https://
(I think   https://  )

Because Firefox stopped accepting   ftp://   links.
I downloaded FileZilla, but then I get a warning
that my password will be sent over internet in clear text
(sorry I do not know the exact warning text and it is in Dutch).

If I change   ftp://   in   https://   my Firefox opens the page
in Firefox without warnings.

Thank you!

Rink


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Adam H. Kerman
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:18 UTC
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From: ahk...@chinet.com (Adam H. Kerman)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
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Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:
Op 2-5-2021 om 9:02 schreef Newsgroup Changes Report:

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

     ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/control.ctl

     ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/README

     ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/LOGS/

Could you please change the   ftp://  in these links in :
http://
or
https://
(I think   https://  )

Please do not make any such change.

Because Firefox stopped accepting   ftp://   links.
I downloaded FileZilla, but then I get a warning
that my password will be sent over internet in clear text
(sorry I do not know the exact warning text and it is in Dutch).

It's anonymous ftp. Your user name is anonymous, and your password is
traditionally your email address. There is absolutely no security
implication.

Sometimes you have to use pftp rather than ftp depending on your setup.

If I change   ftp://   in   https://   my Firefox opens the page
in Firefox without warnings.

But ftp sites have the advantage over http sites in that the user is
given access to the index. A Web site must generate a site index, which
they tend not to do.

Access to the directory index is critical at ftp.isc.org.


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Julien_ÉLIE
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien_ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 21:41:00 +0200
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Hi Adam,

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

Could you please change the   ftp://  in these links in :
http://
or
https://
(I think   https://  )

But ftp sites have the advantage over http sites in that the user is
given access to the index. A Web site must generate a site index, which
they tend not to do.

Access to the directory index is critical at ftp.isc.org.

Hopefully the site index is also generated via https access:
   https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

A downloads.isc.org alias is also possible:
   https://downloads.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
   L'espace d'un matin. »
   (François de Malherbe)


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Adam H. Kerman
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:52 UTC
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Hi Adam,

ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

Could you please change the   ftp://  in these links in :
http://
or
https://
(I think   https://  )

But ftp sites have the advantage over http sites in that the user is
given access to the index. A Web site must generate a site index, which
they tend not to do.

Access to the directory index is critical at ftp.isc.org.

Hopefully the site index is also generated via https access:
  https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

A downloads.isc.org alias is also possible:
  https://downloads.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/

Right now, I can see the directory listing, but individual files not in
subdirectories aren't listed here:

https://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/

One of Russ's READMEs doesn't show up like that.

You know, for access to an ftp site, an ftp client just works great and
a browser leaves something to be desired.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
  L'espace d'un matin. »
  (François de Malherbe)

I've got my terminal emulation xfce4 set to translate UTF-8, and I'm
still getting improperly translated or nonprinting characters in your
last name and your .sigfile. In all these decades, I've yet to see your
name rendered correctly on my terminal emulation.



The <89> displays because something didn't translate, and it looks like
there are some nonprinting characters in your .sigfile.


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Richard Kettlewell
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
Julien ÉLIE  <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
  L'espace d'un matin. »
  (François de Malherbe)

I've got my terminal emulation xfce4 set to translate UTF-8, and I'm
still getting improperly translated or nonprinting characters in your
last name and your .sigfile. In all these decades, I've yet to see your
name rendered correctly on my terminal emulation.

Ã<89>LIE

The <89> displays because something didn't translate, and it looks like
there are some nonprinting characters in your .sigfile.

The bytes on the wire are C3 89, which is UTF-8 for LATIN CAPITAL LETTER
E WITH ACUTE. Perhaps your newsreader is misinterpreting it?

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Adam H. Kerman
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
Julien ÉLIE  <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
  L'espace d'un matin. »
  (François de Malherbe)

I've got my terminal emulation xfce4 set to translate UTF-8, and I'm
still getting improperly translated or nonprinting characters in your
last name and your .sigfile. In all these decades, I've yet to see your
name rendered correctly on my terminal emulation.

Ã<89>LIE

The <89> displays because something didn't translate, and it looks like
there are some nonprinting characters in your .sigfile.

The bytes on the wire are C3 89, which is UTF-8 for LATIN CAPITAL LETTER
E WITH ACUTE. Perhaps your newsreader is misinterpreting it?

My newsreader doesn't interpret anything, leaving it to the terminal
emulation. I know his last name starts with E, but it displays as A with
inverted breve, plus the untranslated <89>.

It doesn't seem to matter what emulation I use.


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Richard Kettlewell
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The bytes on the wire are C3 89, which is UTF-8 for LATIN CAPITAL
LETTER E WITH ACUTE. Perhaps your newsreader is misinterpreting it?

My newsreader doesn't interpret anything, leaving it to the terminal
emulation. I know his last name starts with E, but it displays as A with
inverted breve, plus the untranslated <89>.

It doesn't seem to matter what emulation I use.

Something after the bytes on the wire and before the pixels on your
screen is misinterpreting it. I can only guess at which layer is getting
it wrong, but at least one of them is.

LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH INVERTED BREVE is C8 82 in UTF-8, which
would require quite a bizarre misinterpretation to reach from C3. On the
other hand LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH BREVE is C3 in ISO-8859-2 and
ISO-8859-16, so if that’s what you’re actually seeing then it implies a
very straightforward misinterpretation somewhere.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Retro Guy
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
Julien ÉLIE  <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
  L'espace d'un matin. »
  (François de Malherbe)

I've got my terminal emulation xfce4 set to translate UTF-8, and I'm
still getting improperly translated or nonprinting characters in your
last name and your .sigfile. In all these decades, I've yet to see your
name rendered correctly on my terminal emulation.

Ã<89>LIE

The <89> displays because something didn't translate, and it looks like
there are some nonprinting characters in your .sigfile.

The bytes on the wire are C3 89, which is UTF-8 for LATIN CAPITAL LETTER
E WITH ACUTE. Perhaps your newsreader is misinterpreting it?

My newsreader doesn't interpret anything, leaving it to the terminal
emulation. I know his last name starts with E, but it displays as A with
inverted breve, plus the untranslated <89>.

It doesn't seem to matter what emulation I use.

I just tried trn (in kde) and notice exactly the same issue.

I had this exact problem with a web interface I develop, which was also displaying this way. I finally figured out that I was decoding only the name (I was testing using messasges from Julien :). When I changed the code to decode the entire From: line and then entire body at one time, the problem disappeared and it now works just fine.

Is it possible that trn is doing this also? I have no idea but thought I'd mention it as I've seen the problem myself.



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Retro Guy <retro.guy@rocksolidbbs.com> wrote:
Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
Julien ÉLIE  <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:
Julien ÉLIE

« Et rose elle a vécu ce que vivent les roses :
  L'espace d'un matin. »
  (François de Malherbe)

I've got my terminal emulation xfce4 set to translate UTF-8, and I'm
still getting improperly translated or nonprinting characters in your
last name and your .sigfile. In all these decades, I've yet to see your
name rendered correctly on my terminal emulation.

Ã<89>LIE

The <89> displays because something didn't translate, and it looks like
there are some nonprinting characters in your .sigfile.

The bytes on the wire are C3 89, which is UTF-8 for LATIN CAPITAL LETTER
E WITH ACUTE. Perhaps your newsreader is misinterpreting it?

My newsreader doesn't interpret anything, leaving it to the terminal
emulation. I know his last name starts with E, but it displays as A with
inverted breve, plus the untranslated <89>.

It doesn't seem to matter what emulation I use.

I just tried trn (in kde) and notice exactly the same issue.

I had this exact problem with a web interface I develop, which was also
displaying this way. I finally figured out that I was decoding only the
name (I was testing using messasges from Julien :). When I changed the
code to decode the entire From: line and then entire body at one time,
the problem disappeared and it now works just fine.

Is it possible that trn is doing this also? I have no idea but thought
I'd mention it as I've seen the problem myself.

It's not possible that trn is doing anything because trn translates
nothing. It merely outputs to the screen.

In the profile in my account on the host, I've got TERM set to vt102, so
I suppose it could be the local emulation too perfectly implemented that
terminal. With Julien, there always seem to be characters that get
misinterpreted that I don't notice when I followup to anyone use using
UTF-8.


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Julien_ÉLIE
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: Groupes francophones par TrigoFACILE
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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien_ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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Hi Retro Guy,

I had this exact problem with a web interface I develop, which was also displaying this way. I finally figured out that I was decoding only the name (I was testing using messages from Julien :).

Glad my messages serve for testing purposes :-)


When I changed the code to decode the entire From: line and then entire body at one time, the problem disappeared and it now works just fine.

The From: line is MIME-encoded using Quoted-Printable.  And the body in raw UTF-8.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Il vaut mieux avoir de l'avenir que du passé. »


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Julien_ÉLIE
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Hi Adam,

With Julien, there always seem to be characters that get
misinterpreted that I don't notice when I followup to anyone use using
UTF-8.

Pretty strange.  I'm only using French characters in my signatures, like French quotation marks preceded or followed by a non-breakable space.

Did you try to read French newsgroups, especially messages encoded in UTF-8?
Is the checkgroups for fr.* appearing fine in your newsreader?

And what for internationalized newsgroup names in UTF-8?
I have for instance trigofacile.test.ᾅ and trigofacile.test.υτφ8 in my news server (news.trigofacile.com)?  Happy testings :-)

--
Julien ÉLIE

« – La paix n'a pas de prix… Si tu veux la paix…
   – Mon petit bonhomme, les phrases historiques, alea iacta est et tout
     ça, c'est moi qui les fais ici ! » (César)


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Adam H. Kerman
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Did you try to read French newsgroups, especially messages encoded in UTF-8?
Is the checkgroups for fr.* appearing fine in your newsreader?

That's a good idea.

And what for internationalized newsgroup names in UTF-8?
I have for instance trigofacile.test.ᾅ and trigofacile.test.υτφ8 in my
news server (news.trigofacile.com)?  Happy testings :-)

Thanks


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Retro Guy
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Organization: novaBBS
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 22:34 UTC
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Julien_ÉLIE wrote:

Hi Adam,

With Julien, there always seem to be characters that get
misinterpreted that I don't notice when I followup to anyone use using
UTF-8.

Pretty strange.  I'm only using French characters in my signatures, like French quotation marks preceded or followed by a non-breakable space.

Did you try to read French newsgroups, especially messages encoded in UTF-8?
Is the checkgroups for fr.* appearing fine in your newsreader?

I notice the same with other messages. For example 'Michael Bäuerle' in
news.software.readers does not decode properly in trn.

It's not just French. I have some Russian users and koi8-r also does not decode properly in trn (in my testing anyway)

Retro Guy



Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
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Retro Guy <retro.guy@rocksolidbbs.com> wrote:
Julien_ÉLIE wrote:

Hi Adam,

With Julien, there always seem to be characters that get
misinterpreted that I don't notice when I followup to anyone use using
UTF-8.

Pretty strange.  I'm only using French characters in my signatures, like
French quotation marks preceded or followed by a non-breakable space.

Did you try to read French newsgroups, especially messages encoded in UTF-8?
Is the checkgroups for fr.* appearing fine in your newsreader?

I notice the same with other messages. For example 'Michael Bäuerle' in
news.software.readers does not decode properly in trn.

It's not just French. I have some Russian users and koi8-r also does not
decode properly in trn (in my testing anyway)

Retro Guy

Trust me on this: trn4 isn't mishandling anything because it has nothing
to do with translation nor display. All it does is pass the character
codes to the terminal emulation. You must set the terminal emulation to
decode and the host's LOCALE has to be set to the same translation as
the terminal emulation.

There simply is no graphical interface in trn so there's nothing for trn
to screw up.


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Retro Guy
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Trust me on this: trn4 isn't mishandling anything because it has nothing
to do with translation nor display. All it does is pass the character
codes to the terminal emulation. You must set the terminal emulation to
decode and the host's LOCALE has to be set to the same translation as
the terminal emulation.

There simply is no graphical interface in trn so there's nothing for trn
to screw up.

Yes, I shouldn't have said that trn is not displaying properly, it's just that
it is the reader I was using. What I had noticed is that it's not just Julien's posts, but encoded lines in other messages that don't display properly also, so nothing specific to his messages.



Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 15:55:33 +0200
Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

Hi Retro Guy,

I had this exact problem with a web interface I develop, which was also
displaying this way. I finally figured out that I was decoding only the
name (I was testing using messages from Julien :).

Glad my messages serve for testing purposes :-)

And also plenty of useful/helpful information :)

It was your messages that caught my attention first. I was decoding, but it wasn't quite right, and I saw that with display of your name, so I just kept testing with it.

Once I got that working, display of other messages all worked correctly and now I almost know what I'm doing.

Retro Guy


Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
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Julien ÉLIE in news.admin.hierarchies:

And what for internationalized newsgroup names in UTF-8?
I have for instance trigofacile.test.ᾅ and trigofacile.test.υτφ8 in my
news server (news.trigofacile.com)?  Happy testings :-)

Thank you!

BTW, FYI:

| t20$ printf '%s\r\n' 'QUIT' | openssl s_client -connect news.trigofacile.com:563 | openssl x509 -issuer -subject -noout -dates 
| depth=0 C = FR, ST = Some-State, O = news.trigofacile.com, OU = news.trigofacile.com, CN = news.trigofacile.com
| verify error:num=10:certificate has expired
| notAfter=Sep 16 14:19:32 2019 GMT
| verify return:1
| depth=0 C = FR, ST = Some-State, O = news.trigofacile.com, OU = news.trigofacile.com, CN = news.trigofacile.com
| verify error:num=18:self signed certificate
| verify return:1
| depth=0 C = FR, ST = Some-State, O = news.trigofacile.com, OU = news.trigofacile.com, CN = news.trigofacile.com
| verify error:num=18:self signed certificate
| verify return:1
| DONE
| issuer= /C=FR/ST=Some-State/O=news.trigofacile.com/OU=news.trigofacile.com/CN=news.trigofacile.com
| subject= /C=FR/ST=Some-State/O=news.trigofacile.com/OU=news.trigofacile.com/CN=news.trigofacile.com
| notBefore=Sep 15 14:19:32 2018 GMT
| notAfter=Sep 16 14:19:32 2019 GMT
| t20$

Marcel
--
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Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
From: Julien_ÉLIE
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From: iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid (Julien_ÉLIE)
Newsgroups: news.admin.hierarchies
Subject: Re: Newsgroup changes (2021-04-25 to 2021-05-02)
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Hi Marcel,

| verify error:num=10:certificate has expired
| notAfter=Sep 16 14:19:32 2019 GMT

Oh, you're right.  Now fixed.

"make cert" (with INN) works like a charm for a self-signed certificate, just re-rested again :-)

% make cert
umask 077 ; \
/usr/bin/openssl req -new -x509 -nodes \
     -out /home/news/etc/cert.pem -days 366 \
     -keyout /home/news/etc/key.pem
Generating a RSA private key
[...]

And that's done, installed at the right path.


% printf '%s\r\n' 'QUIT' | openssl s_client -connect news.trigofacile.com:563 | openssl x509 -issuer -subject -noout -dates
verify error:num=18:self signed certificate
notBefore=Jun 11 15:15:07 2021 GMT
notAfter=Jun 12 15:15:07 2022 GMT

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Julien ÉLIE

« Se taire, c'est pareil dans toutes les langues. » (Philippe Geluck)


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