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 by: Sn!pe - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 02:02 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> You haven't helped anyone by spreading misinformation.

That is his intention.

--
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 by: David Brooks - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:32 UTC

On 25/03/2023 01:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 24/03/2023 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> On 24/03/2023 06:48, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Am 22.03.23 um 11:00 schrieb David Brooks:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AVG Antivirus for Mac works in realtime to detect and remove Mac-
>>>>>> specific malware. We'll also keep you safe from online threats,
>>>>>> like malicious websites, emails, and downloads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Total bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly.
>>>>
>>>> Tell me, Joerg, if you do not use some form of AV software on your
>>>> Mac, how would you, as the computer user, KNOW that your machine had
>>>> been compromised?
>>>
>>> macOS has built-in protection from malware, dummy. And I'm sure
>>> you've been told this numerous times.
>>
>> macOS most certainly does have built-in protection.
>
> Yet you continually post bullshit about third-party malware protection
> here. Strange, that.

It's mostly about ClamXAV. I believe it to be a scam.

I recently used Disk Utility to erase my hard drives (this machine is
18,3) and after reinstallation of macOS, I again downloaded ClamXAV from
this site:- www.clamxav.com

When invited to run the 'Free Trial' I was advised that my free trial
ended in May 2022.

HOW DID THE SOFTWARE *KNOW* THAT IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN INSTALLED ON
THIS COMPUTER?

>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does
>>>> or doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in California!
>>>
>>> Apple isn't monitoring what runs on your Mac.
>>
>> Yes, dummy, it *IS*!
>
> Nope. Your Mac monitors what is running on it to look for malware all on
> its own, without Apple's servers being involved (other than to update
> the malware list when you install security updates).

If you look in System Settings > System Report > System Information >
Software > Installations > Software Name

You should see this:- https://ibb.co/2ccpz2P

Who put *XProtectPayloads* there if not Apple itself?

No user interaction is necessary nor required.

--
David

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 by: David Brooks - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 14:12 UTC

On 25/03/2023 02:02, Sn!pe wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
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>> You haven't helped anyone by spreading misinformation.
>
> That is his intention.

You are 100% wrong about that, Snippy!

Don't spread misinformation.

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 by: David Brooks - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 14:13 UTC

On 24/03/2023 23:54, Sn!pe wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <ExpTL.1228631$8_id.132805@fx09.iad>, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> macOS most certainly does have built-in protection.
>>
>> unlike your parents.
>
> lol

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

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 by: David Brooks - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 14:17 UTC

On 24/03/2023 20:22, nospam wrote:
> In article <_pnTL.1630499$iS99.190910@fx16.iad>, David Brooks
> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does or
>>>>>> doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in California!
>>>>>
>>>>> they do not do that, nor can they do that.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they can!
>>>
>>> no they cannot.
>>
>> They can - and they *DO*.
>
> they cannot, nor is that even a realistic option if they could.

*PROOF* that Apple recetly *DID* do just that!

//Apple has just released an update to XProtect Remediator security
software for Macs running Catalina or later, bringing it to version 93.
Version 92 doesn’t appear to have been released.

Apple doesn’t release information about what security issues this update
might add or change. However, it adds one new scanning module, for
malware identified as FloppyFlipper, a name that draws a complete blank
elsewhere.

You can check whether this update has been installed by opening System
Information via About This Mac, and selecting the Installations item
under Software.//

https://eclecticlight.co/2023/03/16/apple-has-just-released-an-update-to-xprotect-remediator-2/

--
David

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On 25/03/2023 14:17, David Brooks wrote:
> On 24/03/2023 20:22, nospam wrote:
>> In article <_pnTL.1630499$iS99.190910@fx16.iad>, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what
>>>>>>> does or
>>>>>>> doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in California!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they do not do that, nor can they do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, they can!
>>>>
>>>> no they cannot.
>>>
>>> They can - and they *DO*.
>>
>> they cannot, nor is that even a realistic option if they could.
>
> *PROOF* that Apple recetly *DID* do just that!
>
> //Apple has just released an update to XProtect Remediator security
> software for Macs running Catalina or later, bringing it to version 93.
> Version 92 doesn’t appear to have been released.
>
> Apple doesn’t release information about what security issues this update
> might add or change. However, it adds one new scanning module, for
> malware identified as FloppyFlipper, a name that draws a complete blank
> elsewhere.
>
> You can check whether this update has been installed by opening System
> Information via About This Mac, and selecting the Installations item
> under Software.//
>
> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/03/16/apple-has-just-released-an-update-to-xprotect-remediator-2/

Test!

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 by: nospam - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:29 UTC

In article <loDTL.2113854$GNG9.707944@fx18.iad>, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >>>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does or
> >>>>>> doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in California!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> they do not do that, nor can they do that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, they can!
> >>>
> >>> no they cannot.
> >>
> >> They can - and they *DO*.
> >
> > they cannot, nor is that even a realistic option if they could.
>
> *PROOF* that Apple recetly *DID* do just that!
>
> //Apple has just released an update to XProtect Remediator security
> software for Macs running Catalina or later, bringing it to version 93.
> Version 92 doesn¹t appear to have been released.

that is not proof of your original claim, nor is it even remotely close.

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 by: nospam - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:29 UTC

In article <3KCTL.1796175$9sn9.1293710@fx17.iad>, David Brooks
<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> When invited to run the 'Free Trial' I was advised that my free trial
> ended in May 2022.
>
> HOW DID THE SOFTWARE *KNOW* THAT IT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN INSTALLED ON
> THIS COMPUTER?

that's been explained to you before.

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 by: J Burns - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:49 UTC

On 3/22/23 6:00 AM, David Brooks wrote:
> There's a myth that Macs don't get viruses - but it's just that: a myth.
>
> AVG Antivirus for Mac works in realtime to detect and remove Mac-
> specific malware. We'll also keep you safe from online threats, like
> malicious websites, emails, and downloads.
>
> =
>
> The above statement is a bold claim, made here:- https://ibb.co/MZpBy63

Is their logo really a toilet bowl?

>
> The claim is supported by Trend Micro. Screenshot - https://ibb.co/Zm7DnRY

They're right. Macs are no longer immune from online threats. My Mac has
received two threats this week, saying Apple would delete my iCloud
files if it didn't supply my credit card info.
>
> =
>
> Does anyone reading here know the REAL truth of the matter?
>
> I wonder!
>
I've been wondering, too. Did those emails really come from Apple? Well,
I'd better get back to wondering!

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:16 UTC

On 2023-03-25, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 25/03/2023 01:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> On 24/03/2023 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/03/2023 06:48, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> Am 22.03.23 um 11:00 schrieb David Brooks:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AVG Antivirus for Mac works in realtime to detect and remove
>>>>>>> Mac- specific malware. We'll also keep you safe from online
>>>>>>> threats, like malicious websites, emails, and downloads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me, Joerg, if you do not use some form of AV software on your
>>>>> Mac, how would you, as the computer user, KNOW that your machine
>>>>> had been compromised?
>>>>
>>>> macOS has built-in protection from malware, dummy. And I'm sure
>>>> you've been told this numerous times.
>>>
>>> macOS most certainly does have built-in protection.
>>
>> Yet you continually post bullshit about third-party malware
>> protection here. Strange, that.
>
> It's mostly about ClamXAV. I believe it to be a scam.

This thread is about AVG, and neither one is a scam.

>>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does
>>>>> or doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in
>>>>> California!
>>>>
>>>> Apple isn't monitoring what runs on your Mac.
>>>
>>> Yes, dummy, it *IS*!
>>
>> Nope. Your Mac monitors what is running on it to look for malware all
>> on its own, without Apple's servers being involved (other than to
>> update the malware list when you install security updates).
>
> If you look in System Settings > System Report > System Information >
> Software > Installations > Software Name
>
> You should see this:- https://ibb.co/2ccpz2P
>
> Who put *XProtectPayloads* there if not Apple itself?
>
> No user interaction is necessary nor required.

What part of "XProtect is part of the operating system" did you not
understand, dumbass?

Fuck off, loser.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:17 UTC

On 2023-03-25, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 25/03/2023 02:02, Sn!pe wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You haven't helped anyone by spreading misinformation.
>>
>> That is his intention.
>
> You are 100% wrong about that, Snippy!
>
> Don't spread misinformation.

Liar. It's pretty much *all* you spread.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:25 UTC

On 2023-03-25, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> They're right. Macs are no longer immune from online threats.

Nobody who knows anything about computing security has claimed that Macs
are supposedly "immune" from attack (online or otherwise). The actual
truth is that Macs have very effective *built-in* protection from online
threats, and as long as you follow basic safe computing practices there
is no need for additional third-party protection.

In fact, the vast majority of macOS malware in the wild today are in the
form of *trojans*: apps that pretend to be legitimate apps - typically
pirated copies of commercial apps, or third-party apps downloaded from
unsavory paces like CNET Downloads, VersionTracker, or MacUpdate with
installers that have been stealthily modified by those download services
to bundle malware with them.

And the majority of such macOS trojan malware is *adware* that modifies
the behavior of web browsers to spy on your browsing behavior and inject
ads into pages displayed by the web browser.

And *all* of them require the user to be tricked into *interactively*
downloading and installing them, as well as *interactively* entering
administrator credentials when prompted, to successfully infect a target
Mac. In other words, they all rely on simple *social* *engineering* to
work.

Not only are most antivirus products relatively useless on Macs (for
instance many of them primarily look for Windows malware that doesn't
even exist or run on macOS), but they are also notorious for being
incredibly buggy and introducing their own security and privacy issues
making your computer less secure as well as reducing your computer’s
performance and stability.

> My Mac has received two threats this week, saying Apple would delete
> my iCloud files if it didn't supply my credit card info.

It's best not to confuse simple phishing messages that are harmless as
long as you ignore them with actual security threats.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:30 UTC

On 2023-03-25, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 24/03/2023 20:22, nospam wrote:
>> In article <_pnTL.1630499$iS99.190910@fx16.iad>, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what
>>>>>>> does or doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in
>>>>>>> California!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they do not do that, nor can they do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, they can!
>>>>
>>>> no they cannot.
>>>
>>> They can - and they *DO*.
>>
>> they cannot, nor is that even a realistic option if they could.
>
> *PROOF* that Apple recetly *DID* do just that!
>
> //Apple has just released an update to XProtect Remediator security
> software for Macs running Catalina or later, bringing it to version
> 93. Version 92 doesn’t appear to have been released.
>
> Apple doesn’t release information about what security issues this
> update might add or change. However, it adds one new scanning module,
> for malware identified as FloppyFlipper, a name that draws a complete
> blank elsewhere.
>
> You can check whether this update has been installed by opening System
> Information via About This Mac, and selecting the Installations item
> under Software.//
>
> https://eclecticlight.co/2023/03/16/apple-has-just-released-an-update-to-xprotect-remediator-2/

Apple updated part of the OS that protects us from malware?!? ERRMEHERD,
aPpLe iS MaNaGiNg wHaT DoEs oR DoEsN'T RuN On oUr mAcHiNeS AlL ThE WaY
FrOm iTs hEaDqUaRtErS In cAlIfOrNiA!!! tHiS Is hOrRiBlE!!! 🤡

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 by: J Burns - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 23:22 UTC

On 3/25/23 1:25 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-03-25, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> My Mac has received two threats this week, saying Apple would delete
>> my iCloud files if it didn't supply my credit card info.
>
> It's best not to confuse simple phishing messages that are harmless as
> long as you ignore them with actual security threats.
>
Imagine how embarrassed you'd be if I'd corrected your spelling of
"fishing."

Fortunately, I looked it up. "Phishing" is a real word, so I won't
embarrass you.

These guys emailed me to inform me that my card had expired. That turned
out to be true, so I knew they were on the level and provided my new
security code. If they'd lied and said it hadn't expired, I would have
ignored them as I do actual security threats.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 01:38 UTC

On 2023-03-25, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 3/25/23 1:25 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-03-25, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My Mac has received two threats this week, saying Apple would delete
>>> my iCloud files if it didn't supply my credit card info.
>>
>> It's best not to confuse simple phishing messages that are harmless
>> as long as you ignore them with actual security threats.
>>
> Imagine how embarrassed you'd be if I'd corrected your spelling of
> "fishing."
>
> Fortunately, I looked it up. "Phishing" is a real word, so I won't
> embarrass you.

I wouldn't be the one being embarrassed. Phishing is the correct
spelling for the social engineering tactic of tricking someone into
visiting a fraudulent website to fool them into giving you their login
credentials or other personal information. ; )

> These guys emailed me to inform me that my card had expired. That
> turned out to be true, so I knew they were on the level and provided
> my new security code. If they'd lied and said it hadn't expired, I
> would have ignored them as I do actual security threats.

Apple doesn't send out emails stating they will delete iCloud data when
your credit card details need to be updated. In fact, Apple doesn't even
delete data when an iCloud subscription lapses. Instead, you are simply
prevented from adding or changing existing iCloud data until you fix the
problem. So, if you clicked any links in those emails and supplied any
personal details, you should be worried.

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 by: David Brooks - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 09:20 UTC

On 25/03/2023 17:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-03-25, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 25/03/2023 01:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> On 24/03/2023 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/03/2023 06:48, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 22.03.23 um 11:00 schrieb David Brooks:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AVG Antivirus for Mac works in realtime to detect and remove
>>>>>>>> Mac- specific malware. We'll also keep you safe from online
>>>>>>>> threats, like malicious websites, emails, and downloads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me, Joerg, if you do not use some form of AV software on your
>>>>>> Mac, how would you, as the computer user, KNOW that your machine
>>>>>> had been compromised?
>>>>>
>>>>> macOS has built-in protection from malware, dummy. And I'm sure
>>>>> you've been told this numerous times.
>>>>
>>>> macOS most certainly does have built-in protection.
>>>
>>> Yet you continually post bullshit about third-party malware
>>> protection here. Strange, that.
>>
>> It's mostly about ClamXAV. I believe it to be a scam.
>
> This thread is about AVG, and neither one is a scam.

This thread is about whether or not Apple computers should be using
third-party anti-malware software.

The overwhelming consensus on the Apple Support Communities forums is
that such software is *NOT* required.

>>>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does
>>>>>> or doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in
>>>>>> California!
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple isn't monitoring what runs on your Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, dummy, it *IS*!
>>>
>>> Nope. Your Mac monitors what is running on it to look for malware all
>>> on its own, without Apple's servers being involved (other than to
>>> update the malware list when you install security updates).
>>
>> If you look in System Settings > System Report > System Information >
>> Software > Installations > Software Name
>>
>> You should see this:- https://ibb.co/2ccpz2P
>>
>> Who put *XProtectPayloads* there if not Apple itself?
>>
>> No user interaction is necessary nor required.
>
> What part of "XProtect is part of the operating system" did you not
> understand, dumbass?

The XProtect *PAYLOADS* are additional software packages issued by Apple
which are loaded onto all Apple Macs connected to the Internet. The user
has no choice in the matter!

One simply has to hope that Apple are working in the best interests of
its customers.

HTH
HAND

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 14:54 UTC

On 2023-03-26, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 25/03/2023 17:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-03-25, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> On 25/03/2023 01:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> macOS most certainly does have built-in protection.
>>>>
>>>> Yet you continually post bullshit about third-party malware
>>>> protection here. Strange, that.
>>>
>>> It's mostly about ClamXAV. I believe it to be a scam.
>>
>> This thread is about AVG, and neither one is a scam.
>
> This thread is about whether or not Apple computers should be using
> third-party anti-malware software.
>
> The overwhelming consensus on the Apple Support Communities forums is
> that such software is *NOT* required.

And yet you continue to ask this dumb question over and over for
*years*. Strange, that...

>>> Who put *XProtectPayloads* there if not Apple itself?
>>>
>>> No user interaction is necessary nor required.
>>
>> What part of "XProtect is part of the operating system" did you not
>> understand, dumbass?
>
> The XProtect *PAYLOADS* are additional software packages

No they are not software packages. They are not executable and do
nothing on their own. Stop lying.

> issued by Apple which are loaded onto all Apple Macs connected to the
> Internet.

Software updates are also issued by Apple and loaded onto all Macs over
the internet, but strangely you're not complaining about those.

> The user has no choice in the matter!

Wrong, as I already told you. Users can disable security updates in
System Preferences if they wish, but that would be an extremely *dumb*
thing to do.

> One simply has to hope that Apple are working in the best interests of
> its customers.

If you don't trust Apple, nobody is stopping you from using something
else made by some other company. Then you can bitch and moan about
hoping that company works in your best interests.

> HTH HAND

You aren't trying to help anyone with your bullshit.

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 by: David Brooks - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 17:06 UTC

On 26/03/2023 15:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-03-26, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 25/03/2023 17:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-25, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> On 25/03/2023 01:51, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-03-24, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> macOS most certainly does have built-in protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet you continually post bullshit about third-party malware
>>>>> protection here. Strange, that.
>>>>
>>>> It's mostly about ClamXAV. I believe it to be a scam.
>>>
>>> This thread is about AVG, and neither one is a scam.
>>
>> This thread is about whether or not Apple computers should be using
>> third-party anti-malware software.
>>
>> The overwhelming consensus on the Apple Support Communities forums is
>> that such software is *NOT* required.
>
> And yet you continue to ask this dumb question over and over for
> *years*. Strange, that...

You agree that AV software is NOT necessary?

Yet you claim that www.clamXAV.com is *NOT a scam.

How do you rationalsise that?

>>>> Who put *XProtectPayloads* there if not Apple itself?
>>>>
>>>> No user interaction is necessary nor required.
>>>
>>> What part of "XProtect is part of the operating system" did you not
>>> understand, dumbass?
>>
>> The XProtect *PAYLOADS* are additional software packages
>
> No they are not software packages. They are not executable and do
> nothing on their own. Stop lying.

How would YOU describe them?

>> issued by Apple which are loaded onto all Apple Macs connected to the
>> Internet.
>
> Software updates are also issued by Apple and loaded onto all Macs over
> the internet, but strangely you're not complaining about those.

I do not have to install THOSE Updates!

>> The user has no choice in the matter!
>
> Wrong, as I already told you. Users can disable security updates in
> System Preferences if they wish, but that would be an extremely *dumb*
> thing to do.

*HOW* does one prevent Apple changing the XProtectPayloads?

Current Version: 93
Source: Apple
Install Date: 17/03/2023, 08:05

(I happily accept all changes made in my own best interests)

>> One simply has to hope that Apple are working in the best interests of
>> its customers.
>
> If you don't trust Apple, nobody is stopping you from using something
> else made by some other company. Then you can bitch and moan about
> hoping that company works in your best interests.
>
>> HTH HAND
>
> You aren't trying to help anyone with your bullshit.

I *DO* trust Apple. I do *NOT* trust ClamXAV.

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On 24 Mar 2023 at 21:05:32 GMT, "David Brooks" <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

> The user
> of the computer, if it is connected to the Internet, has no control over
> HOW apple manipulates the operating system.

Do you not install updates, on trust, for all the software on your devices?
Whether o/s or apps?

You are totally at the mercy of every software vendor - hope that helps top up
your paranoia.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 20:19 UTC

On 2023-03-26, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 15:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-03-26, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The overwhelming consensus on the Apple Support Communities forums
>>> is that such software is *NOT* required.
>>
>> And yet you continue to ask this dumb question over and over for
>> *years*. Strange, that...
>
> You agree that AV software is NOT necessary?
>
> Yet you claim that www.clamXAV.com is *NOT a scam.
>
> How do you rationalsise that?

By understanding that just because something may not be needed doesn't
make it a scam. Have you always had trouble with critical thinking, or
is this a recent issue for you?

>>>>> Who put *XProtectPayloads* there if not Apple itself?
>>>>>
>>>>> No user interaction is necessary nor required.
>>>>
>>>> What part of "XProtect is part of the operating system" did you not
>>>> understand, dumbass?
>>>
>>> The XProtect *PAYLOADS* are additional software packages
>>
>> No they are not software packages. They are not executable and do
>> nothing on their own. Stop lying.
>
> How would YOU describe them?

Data files.

>>> issued by Apple which are loaded onto all Apple Macs connected to
>>> the Internet.
>>
>> Software updates are also issued by Apple and loaded onto all Macs
>> over the internet, but strangely you're not complaining about those.
>
> I do not have to install THOSE Updates!

You don't have to install XProtect data file updates either, as I have
told you at least three times in this thread.

>>> The user has no choice in the matter!
>>
>> Wrong, as I already told you. Users can disable security updates in
>> System Preferences if they wish, but that would be an extremely
>> *dumb* thing to do.
>
> *HOW* does one prevent Apple changing the XProtectPayloads?

Already told you. System Preferences > Software Update > Advanced >
Install system data files and security updates. However, it would be
extremely foolish to disable them.

> Current Version: 93
> Source: Apple
> Install Date: 17/03/2023, 08:05
>
> (I happily accept all changes made in my own best interests)

Then why are you so concerned about disabling them, dumbass? You don't
seem very happy to install them to me, considering you keep claiming you
supposedly have no choice (which is a false claim).

>>> One simply has to hope that Apple are working in the best interests of
>>> its customers.
>>
>> If you don't trust Apple, nobody is stopping you from using something
>> else made by some other company. Then you can bitch and moan about
>> hoping that company works in your best interests.
>>
>>> HTH HAND
>>
>> You aren't trying to help anyone with your bullshit.
>
> I *DO* trust Apple. I do *NOT* trust ClamXAV.

Yet you are bitching about trusting Apple's updates and wrongly claiming
you can't opt out of XProtect data file updates right in this thread.
Strange, that...

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On 26 Mar 2023 at 21:19:53 BST, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Then why are you so concerned about disabling them, dumbass?

On 26 Mar 2023 at 19:36:09 BST, "jeremy" <jeremy0505@gmail.com> wrote:

> You are totally at the mercy of every software vendor - hope that helps top up
> your paranoia.

Can you clowns stop responding to the Troll?

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 by: David Brooks - Sun, 26 Mar 2023 21:59 UTC

On 26/03/2023 19:36, jeremy wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2023 at 21:05:32 GMT, "David Brooks" <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> The user
>> of the computer, if it is connected to the Internet, has no control over
>> HOW apple manipulates the operating system.
>
> Do you not install updates, on trust, for all the software on your devices?
> Whether o/s or apps?

Yes - providing the Apps have been obtained from the Apple App store.

I'm more hesitant when it comes to Apps like Suspicious Package by Randy
Saldinger, dba Mothers Ruin Software.

> You are totally at the mercy of every software vendor - hope that helps top up
> your paranoia.

I agree - 100%!

Have YOU installed and run the FREE TRIAL from www.clamXAV.com ?

Then you can scoff from a position of experience instead of naivity! :-P

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 by: David Brooks - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:09 UTC

On 24/03/2023 14:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 24.03.23 um 14:11 schrieb nospam:
>> In article <%wdTL.290159$mmyc.73867@fx37.iad>, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does or
>>> doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in California!
>>
>> they do not do that, nor can they do that.
>
> Is DB again smoking funny stuff?

DB copied a question which was posted on the Apple Support Communities
website!

Evidence? Yeas, here:- https://ibb.co/JvK59hS

Do *YOU* use anti-malware software on YOUR Apple computer?

If not, *your machine may have already been compromised*!

Read here if you don't believe me! https://www.clamxav.com

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 by: David Brooks - Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:13 UTC

On 02/04/2023 13:09, David Brooks wrote:
> On 24/03/2023 14:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 24.03.23 um 14:11 schrieb nospam:
>>> In article <%wdTL.290159$mmyc.73867@fx37.iad>, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess that, like me, you are happy to let Apple manage what does or
>>>> doesn't run on your machine from its headquarters in California!
>>>
>>> they do not do that, nor can they do that.
>>
>> Is DB again smoking funny stuff?
>
> DB copied a question which was posted on the Apple Support Communities
> website!
>
> Evidence? Yes, here:-  https://ibb.co/JvK59hS
>
> Do *YOU* use anti-malware software on YOUR Apple computer?
>
> If not, *your machine may have already been compromised*!
>
> Read here if you don't believe me! https://www.clamxav.com

Spelling mistake corrected!

Sorry about that!

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Am 02.04.23 um 14:09 schrieb David Brooks:
> On 24/03/2023 14:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Is DB again smoking funny stuff?
>
> DB copied a question which was posted on the Apple Support Communities
> website!
>
> Evidence? Yeas, here:- https://ibb.co/JvK59hS
>
> Do *YOU* use anti-malware software on YOUR Apple computer?
>
> If not, *your machine may have already been compromised*!
>
> Read here if you don't believe me! https://www.clamxav.com

Judge and hangman are the same person ...
And DB has no clue on which vectors a system can be "compromised".

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