Hello,

I just build an usenet server (dodin.fr.nf)

the goal is to spread the fr* hierarchy.

I already used to have such a server, but only for private use, I never
feed any peer.

I read and follow this doc from aioe:

https://news.aioe.org/documentation/how-to-setup-a-feed-with-aioeorg/

But

* I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?
* is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
testing purpose?
* don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement? I
ask the openSUSE list as well

the server if for now only dedicated to INN (but this may not be always
the case)

Serveur KS-7 - Intel i3-2130 - 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz - 2To SATA

thanks
jdd

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Hi,

jdd a tapoté le 16/12/2021 18:38:
> I just build an usenet server (dodin.fr.nf)
>
> the goal is to spread the fr* hierarchy.

If you want, I can feed fr.*.

> * I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?

Just ask for and read the documentation :
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/>

> * is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
> testing purpose?
> * don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement? I
> ask the openSUSE list as well

Cleanfeed is never packaged with INN, you can get it from :

<http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/>
<https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed>

> the server if for now only dedicated to INN (but this may not be always
> the case)
>
> Serveur KS-7 - Intel i3-2130 - 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz - 2To SATA

Mine are on raspberry pi2 and pi4...

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Hi,

> * I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?

Ask for fr.* only and send only fr.* . For Inn, alter your newsfeeds configfile to filter what you send.

> * is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
> testing purpose?

You may start with newsgroup fr.test, and after that ask/send fr.* . Just ask your peers politely and explain you get back to them in sort/medium term to alter your feed settings again. I assume they will understand.

> * don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement? I
> ask the openSUSE list as well

Having no experience with opensuse, you may get cleanfeed from https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed. He says you can download cleanfeed from http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/cleanfeed.tar.gz.

> the server if for now only dedicated to INN (but this may not be always
> the case)

Yeah well, I don't think you run into serious trouble with only fr.*. You may consider cycbuff to ensure there is always enough room for your news spool.

Regards

Il 16/12/21 18:38, jdd ha scritto:
> Hello,

>
> * I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?

an usenet feed may include all usenet articles or a subset only.
you have to request a peer only for the fr.* hierarchy when you ask for
a feed.

> * is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
> testing purpose?

not less than a single hierarchy unless you've got a valid resaon to
request a so small feed

> * don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement? I
> ask the openSUSE list as well

an old version of cleanfeed is at https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed
if you're using inn 2.6 consider to choose pycleanfeed but i don't
remember where it's stored

>
> the server if for now only dedicated to INN (but this may not be always
> the case)

you should use a modern version of inn2 (inn 2.6.4)

write me an email if you need your fist feed

In article <61bb79b0$0$20265$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I just build an usenet server (dodin.fr.nf)
>
>the goal is to spread the fr* hierarchy.
>
>I already used to have such a server, but only for private use, I never
>feed any peer.
>
>I read and follow this doc from aioe:
>
>https://news.aioe.org/documentation/how-to-setup-a-feed-with-aioeorg/
>
>But
>
>* I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?
>* is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
>testing purpose?
>* don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement? I
>ask the openSUSE list as well
>
>the server if for now only dedicated to INN (but this may not be always
>the case)
>
>Serveur KS-7 - Intel i3-2130 - 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz - 2To SATA
>
>thanks
>jdd
>

I am doing this with Julien Elie , the current INN maintainer.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:38:55 +0100
jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just build an usenet server (dodin.fr.nf)
>
> the goal is to spread the fr* hierarchy.
>
> I already used to have such a server, but only for private use, I
> never feed any peer.
>
> I read and follow this doc from aioe:
>
> https://news.aioe.org/documentation/how-to-setup-a-feed-with-aioeorg/
>
> But
>
> * I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?
> * is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
> testing purpose?
> * don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement?
> I ask the openSUSE list as well
>
> the server if for now only dedicated to INN (but this may not be
> always the case)
>
> Serveur KS-7 - Intel i3-2130 - 8GB DDR3 1333 MHz - 2To SATA
>
> thanks
> jdd
>
> --
> http://dodin.org
> http://valeriedodin.com

I have 305 fr. newsgroups. I have no idea if they have any traffic, but
you're welcome to a feed. See www.endofthelinebbs.com/peering.html for
details. Make sure you let me know what you want me to put in my config
for your feed.

Thanks,
Nigel

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:38:55 +0100
jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just build an usenet server (dodin.fr.nf)
> the goal is to spread the fr* hierarchy.
> * I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?

As others have already answered, it's a simple configuration to do so.
I currently have a couple of peers for specific hierarchies.

If you are interested in peering with i2pn.org (my servers) please just
send me an email at admin@i2pn.org and we can get set up.

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Le 16/12/2021 à 18:38, jdd a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I just build an usenet server (dodin.fr.nf)

I want to apologies to any people that responded to my post, my usual
news group provider didn't send to me these answers... (I see only my
question, no other message on this group)

I was warned by an other user, so I used an other provider
(eternal-september) and then I have your answers :-)

thanks
jdd

Le 17/12/2021 à 00:55, The Doctor a écrit :

> I am doing this with Julien Elie , the current INN maintainer.
>

I know him (I'm a member of french usenet comity), but I try to disturb
him as little as possible :-)

thanks
jdd

Hi Paolo,

> an old version of cleanfeed is at https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed
> if you're using inn 2.6 consider to choose pycleanfeed but i don't
> remember where it's stored

I'm running PyClean on my news server, and it works pretty well:
https://github.com/crooks/PyClean

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Le 18/12/2021 à 09:45, Julien ÉLIE a écrit :
> Hi Paolo,
>
>> an old version of cleanfeed is at https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed
>> if you're using inn 2.6 consider to choose pycleanfeed but i don't
>> remember where it's stored
>
> I'm running PyClean on my news server, and it works pretty well:
> https://github.com/crooks/PyClean
>
thanks

in my openSUSE default install I have in the filter folder

> ll
total 68
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 6653 7 juin 2021 filter_innd.pl
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 12181 7 juin 2021 filter_innd.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 3015 7 juin 2021 filter_nnrpd.pl
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 1047 7 juin 2021 INN.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 4198 7 juin 2021 nnrpd_access.pl
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 3972 7 juin 2021 nnrpd_access.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 2806 7 juin 2021 nnrpd_auth.pl
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 4496 7 juin 2021 nnrpd_auth.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 4410 7 juin 2021 nnrpd_dynamic.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 554 7 juin 2021 nnrpd.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root news 1326 7 juin 2021 startup_innd.pl

pretty old:

$Id: filter_innd.pl 9205 2011-06-13 15:08:31Z iulius $
## $Id: filter_innd.py 10263 2018-03-10 14:51:53Z iulius

is it enough for a filter, Or do I have to replace them with PyClean?

thanks
jdd

Bonsoir Jean-Daniel,

>> I'm running PyClean on my news server, and it works pretty well:
>>     https://github.com/crooks/PyClean
>
> in my openSUSE default install I have in the filter folder
>
> > ll
> total 68
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root news  6653  7 juin   2021 filter_innd.pl
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root news 12181  7 juin   2021 filter_innd.py
[...]

These are just samples to show what functions are available, but they do
not contain any code for spam filtering.
You have to provide your own filter_innd.pl (Cleanfeed) or
filter_innd.py (PyClean).

>  $Id: filter_innd.pl 9205 2011-06-13 15:08:31Z iulius $
> ##  $Id: filter_innd.py 10263 2018-03-10 14:51:53Z iulius
>
> is it enough for a filter, Or do I have to replace them with PyClean?

% ls -la /home/news/bin/filter
lrwxrwxrwx 1 news news 30 20 sept. 10:08 filter_innd.pl ->
/home/news/cleanfeed/cleanfeed*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 news news 29 20 sept. 12:14 filter_innd.py ->
/home/news/pyclean/pyclean.py

% ls -la /home/news/cleanfeed
-rwxr-xr-x 1 news news 95K 4 déc. 12:49 cleanfeed*
drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 21 nov. 10:24 etc/
drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 09:50 logs/

% ls -la /home/news/pyclean
drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 12:11 articles/
drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 12:10 etc/
drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 27 sept. 12:47 lib/
drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 18 déc. 00:32 log/
-rw-r--r-- 1 news news 66K 20 sept. 12:12 pyclean.py

One of them is enough. (I'm just running both for testing purpose.)

You can see that cleanfeed is 95K and pyclean.py 66K, much more than the
samples provided in a stock INN install.

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Le 18/12/2021 à 22:57, Julien ÉLIE a écrit :

> These are just samples to show what functions are available, but they do
> not contain any code for spam filtering.

ok, understood

thanks
jdd

Le 18/12/2021 à 22:57, Julien ÉLIE a écrit :

> lrwxrwxrwx 1 news news 29 20 sept. 12:14 filter_innd.py ->
> /home/news/pyclean/pyclean.py

done

> % ls -la /home/news/pyclean
> drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 12:11 articles/
> drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 12:10 etc/
> drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 27 sept. 12:47 lib/
> drwxr-xr-x 2 news news 4,0K 18 déc. 00:32 log/
> -rw-r--r-- 1 news news 66K 20 sept. 12:12 pyclean.py

I have pyclean.py there

Have I to create the other folders?

thanks
jdd

Bonsoir Jean-Daniel,

>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 news news   29 20 sept. 12:14 filter_innd.py ->
>> /home/news/pyclean/pyclean.py
>
> done
>
>> % ls -la /home/news/pyclean
>> drwxr-xr-x  2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 12:11 articles/
>> drwxr-xr-x  2 news news 4,0K 20 sept. 12:10 etc/
>> drwxr-xr-x  2 news news 4,0K 27 sept. 12:47 lib/
>> drwxr-xr-x  2 news news 4,0K 18 déc.  00:32 log/
>> -rw-r--r--  1 news news  66K 20 sept. 12:12 pyclean.py
>
> I have pyclean.py there
>
> Have I to create the other folders?

I would at least create "etc" and put there the 4 configuration files
(with the name of your local server in local_hosts):
- etc/local_hosts
- etc/log_rules
- etc/ih_substrings
- etc/pyclean.cfg

I think the other folders will be created by PyClean. In case it does
not work, try to create the other folders.
You will normally see log/pyclean.log if PyClean is correctly seen by
INN. Otherwise, have a look at your news log files (like news.crit,
news.err and news.notice) to see if something is wrong somewhere. And
make sure Python filtering is enabled.

% ctlinnd mode
Python filtering enabled

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Le 19/12/2021 à 23:19, Julien ÉLIE a écrit :

> % ctlinnd mode
> Python filtering enabled
>

well... fail. perl is enabled, but python option is not even present in
ctlinnd here :-(

I just have to revert to cleanfeed...

sorry for the disturbance :-(

jdd

Le 16/12/2021 à 20:14, Aioe a écrit :
> Il 16/12/21 18:38, jdd ha scritto:
>> Hello,
>
>>
>> * I want to feed only fr*, what may I do?
>
> an usenet feed may include all usenet articles or a subset only.
> you have to request a peer only for the fr.* hierarchy when you ask for
> a feed.

yes, it's what I want

>
>
>
>> * is it possible, for the beginning to get only a small subset, for
>> testing purpose?
>
> not less than a single hierarchy unless you've got a valid resaon to
> request a so small feed

ok, not a problem for me
>
>
>> * don't seems to have cleanfeed in my openSUSE :-(. Any replacement? I
>> ask the openSUSE list as well

I have INN 2.6.2-bp153.3.3.1 (openSUSE Leap 15.3, up to date)
>
> an old version of cleanfeed is at https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed
> if you're using inn 2.6 consider to choose pycleanfeed

tryed it (with Julien help), but my INN version is not python friendly
:-(. So installed cleanfeed from; github:

https://github.com/crooks/cleanfeed

> write me an email if you need your fist feed
>
I expect instructions, because my inn do not start anymore, for obvious
reasons:

déc. 20 10:30:31 ns507557 innd[19235]: aioe funnel_bad

my report:

http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConfigurerINN-2021

thanks
jdd

Hi,
jdanield a tapoté le 20/12/2021 10:46:

> I expect instructions, because my inn do not start anymore, for obvious
> reasons:
>
> déc. 20 10:30:31 ns507557 innd[19235]: aioe funnel_bad

Maybe bad configuration in innfeed.conf and newsfeeds :

in newsfeeds :
aioe/aioe.org:fr.*:Ap,C20,G12,<32768,Tm:innfeed!

in innfeed.conf :
peer aioe {
ip-name: news-in.aioe.org
# dynamic-method: 1
# bindaddress6: none
}

> my report:
>
> http://www.dodin.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.ConfigurerINN-2021

Have you updated your active file?

<https://git.alphanet.ch/gitweb/?p=inn-install/.git;a=blob_plain;f=README.html;hb=HEAD#mise-%C3%A0-jour-de-la-liste-dactive>

For fr as news :
curl \
"http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies
/index.py?see=FR&only=checkgroups"\
| /usr/lib/news/bin/docheckgroups -u\
| /usr/lib/news/bin/mod-active

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Bonsoir Jean-Daniel,

>> % ctlinnd mode
>> Python filtering enabled
>
> well... fail. perl is enabled, but python option is not even present in
> ctlinnd here :-(

Oh, wait a minute. Reading your answer, I remember that this "Python
filtering disable|enabled" line will be present in INN 2.6.5 (not yet
released). I recently added it, when I saw the comment was present for
Perl but not for Python.
So, it is normal you do not see it.

> I just have to revert to cleanfeed...

What is the result of:
ctlinnd reload filter.python ''
?

You'll see with that command whether Python support is really available.
If the command returns "Unknown reload type", it won't be a good
sign... and then, yes, you'll probably want to use Perl cleanfeed spam
filter.

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Le 20/12/2021 à 22:48, Julien ÉLIE a écrit :

> sign... and then, yes, you'll probably want to use Perl cleanfeed spam
> filter.
>

it's not a big deal.

right now my INN session don't start with "aioe funnel_bad", but I guess
it's simply because my aioe config is not yet accepted aioe side

in this Christmas period, I don't expect fast answer :-)

thanks
jdd

Le 20/12/2021 à 11:11, yamo' a écrit :
> Hi,
> jdanield a tapoté le 20/12/2021 10:46:
>

>> déc. 20 10:30:31 ns507557 innd[19235]: aioe funnel_bad
>
>
> Maybe bad configuration in innfeed.conf and newsfeeds :
>

nope. I had copied the config for peer aioe, but the link is not yet
established, so the error is normal. I commented out theses parts and
INN runs again.

thanks
jdd

Salut,
jdanield a tapoté le 21/12/2021 08:39:
> Le 20/12/2021 à 11:11, yamo' a écrit :
>> jdanield a tapoté le 20/12/2021 10:46:
>>> déc. 20 10:30:31 ns507557 innd[19235]: aioe funnel_bad
>> Maybe bad configuration in innfeed.conf and newsfeeds :
> nope. I had copied the config for peer aioe, but the link is not yet
> established, so the error is normal. I commented out theses parts and
> INN runs again.

You can ask me by mail a peering!

bad funnel maybe a bad line in newsfeed configuration file :

innfeed!\
:!*\
:Tc,Wnm*:/usr/lib/news/bin/innfeed

Or bad Unix rights :
<https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages//trusty/man8/innfeed.8.html>

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Le 21/12/2021 à 11:41, yamo' a écrit :
> Salut,
> jdanield a tapoté le 21/12/2021 08:39:

> You can ask me by mail a peering!

that's ok, but your mail seems invalid. Mine is not, you can email me t
begin the share

>
> bad funnel maybe a bad line in newsfeed configuration file :

I did copy/paste the aioe config, but I guess it have to be the same at
the other side to work. Here, after commenting out aioe config it works
again.

thanks, I wait for your mail :-). But I need step by step instructions,
it's my first time here :-(

jdd

Il 20/12/21 23:00, jdanield ha scritto:
> right now my INN session don't start with "aioe funnel_bad",

that error means that server refuses to accept messages from yours
i can't setup my side because you forgot to send me your peering details

look at https://news.aioe.org/documentation/peering-data/ for a sample

Hi,
jdanield a tapoté le 21/12/2021 13:27:
> Le 21/12/2021 à 11:41, yamo' a écrit :
>> jdanield a tapoté le 21/12/2021 08:39:
>> You can ask me by mail a peering!
>
> that's ok, but your mail seems invalid. Mine is not, you can email me t
> begin the share

My Reply-to is valid but I have sent you a mail.

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