On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 17:25:18 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 2/4/2024 4:23 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

>> Wait... this isn't rec.games.frp.dnd! Quick, somebody reference a
>> computer game!

>Pool of Radiance!

I played the video game interpretation of "Pool" before I played the
table-top version. I have to say, I found the former a better
experience. The table-top version was more an unconnected series of
mini-adventures, and lacked in character and atmosphere. (also, the
lizard man encounter was lifted almost in entirity from another TSR
book)

But that computer version... that felt next level. It had the
'traditional' tile-based '3D' movement that was common in most
dungeon-crawlers of the time, but ALSO had tactical combat where you
moved your PCs one-by-one in an 'isometric'* battlefield. AND it had
an overland map for larger journies. It also had all the bells 'n'
whistles of the tabletop game: +1 swords, beholders, paladins! It
didn't come anywhere close to recapturing the feel of playing the
pen-n-paper game... but it was a lot closer to that ideal than any of
its competitors.

Unfortunately, SSI - the video game developers - milked the formula
(and the engine) of "Pool of Radiance" far too long, with an overly
long string of games that were little more than reskins of the
original. The sequels were, in general, not bad games on their own,
but with each iteration each of the games felt less and less
special... not to mention more and more out of date. And this worked
retroactively too; playing through "Curse of the Azure Bond", "Silver
Blades", "Matrix Cubed", and up to "Dark Queen of Krynn", there was no
magic left when you returned to "Pool of Radiance".

But playing "Pool of Radiance" that first time? It was like nothing
that had come before.

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* not really isometric, I know

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>
>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two years
>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>
>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>
>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>
>The horror!

Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.

Xocyll

On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Xocyll wrote:

>candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
>the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two years
>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>
>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>
>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>
>>The horror!
>
>Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>
Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!

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Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 20:03:40 -0600, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>Xocyll wrote:

>>Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.

>Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!

Why did my computer suddenly install Win3.1?

On 2/5/24 20:03, Zaghadka wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
> Xocyll wrote:
>
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
>> the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
>>> On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two years
>>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>>
>>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> The horror!
>>
>> Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>>
> Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!

Spell: Dispels any Linux user.
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On 2/6/2024 5:55 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 2/5/24 20:03, Zaghadka wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>> Xocyll wrote:
>>
>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
>>> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>
>>>> On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two years
>>>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>> The horror!
>>>
>>> Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>>>
>> Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!
>
> Spell: Dispels any Linux user.
Noooooooooo!
*fades away*

>Against the Storm

This looks cool, wishlisted! I do want to play a game where I see the
action from above in this I guess isometric view. I think it's going to be
Homeworld 1 though -- very different but should give that playing with tonka
trucks feel :)

rms

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:59:24 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
kyonshi wrote:

>On 2/6/2024 5:55 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 2/5/24 20:03, Zaghadka wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>> Xocyll wrote:
>>>
>>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
>>>> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two years
>>>>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>> The horror!
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>>>>
>>> Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!
>>
>> Spell: Dispels any Linux user.
>Noooooooooo!
>*fades away*

Okay, that exchange just won the Internet for me this morning.

I am having a bad morning, y'all just gave me the will to go on.

Also, isn't just "systemd" enough? ;^)

--
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No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 2/7/24 10:34, Zaghadka wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:59:24 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
> kyonshi wrote:
>
>> On 2/6/2024 5:55 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 2/5/24 20:03, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>>> Xocyll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the entrails of
>>>>> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two years
>>>>>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>>>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The horror!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!
>>>
>>> Spell: Dispels any Linux user.
>> Noooooooooo!
>> *fades away*
>
> Okay, that exchange just won the Internet for me this morning.
>
> I am having a bad morning, y'all just gave me the will to go on.
>
> Also, isn't just "systemd" enough? ;^)

I don't get why people hate on systemd lol
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On 2/7/2024 10:21 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 2/7/24 10:34, Zaghadka wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:59:24 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>> kyonshi wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/6/2024 5:55 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 2/5/24 20:03, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>>>> Xocyll wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the
>>>>>> entrails of
>>>>>> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version of GE
>>>>>>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The horror!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!
>>>>
>>>> Spell: Dispels any Linux user.
>>> Noooooooooo!
>>> *fades away*
>>
>> Okay, that exchange just won the Internet for me this morning.
>>
>> I am having a bad morning, y'all just gave me the will to go on.
>>
>> Also, isn't just "systemd" enough? ;^)
>
> I don't get why people hate on systemd lol

Because its Linux?

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dirty old man.

On 2/7/2024 8:19 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 2/7/2024 10:21 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 2/7/24 10:34, Zaghadka wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:59:24 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>> kyonshi wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/6/2024 5:55 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/5/24 20:03, Zaghadka wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 12:24:55 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>>>>> Xocyll wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> looked up from reading the
>>>>>>> entrails of
>>>>>>> the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/24 10:28, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 23:12:14 -0600, candycanearter07
>>>>>>>>> <no@thanks.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/2/24 11:40, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Alternately, here is a random untested, unverified - and two
>>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>> old - instructions for getting and installing Linux version
>>>>>>>>>>> of GE
>>>>>>>>>>> client on Ubuntu:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/google-earth-ubuntu-22-04/)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wait, it still exists??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, lots of people still use Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The horror!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu, Cthulhu, they sound so similar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu R'lyeh systemd fhtagn!
>>>>>
>>>>> Spell: Dispels any Linux user.
>>>> Noooooooooo!
>>>> *fades away*
>>>
>>> Okay, that exchange just won the Internet for me this morning.
>>>
>>> I am having a bad morning, y'all just gave me the will to go on.
>>>
>>> Also, isn't just "systemd" enough? ;^)
>>
>> I don't get why people hate on systemd lol
>
> Because its Linux?
>
nah, the people who have to deal with it all use Linux. and it's weirdly
counterintuitive as a system in my opinion. it never does what you
expect it would do

On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:21:34 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
wrote:

>
>I don't get why people hate on systemd lol

Largely, I think, because it runs contrary to the ideals of Linux,
which is that applications should be small, efficient, and
single-purpose. Systemd is an entire suite of applets built into one
monolithic binary, replacing numerous individual daemons. This is
advantageous as to speed, but it - arguably - opens the system up to
potential security issues, and reduces the customizability of the
system.

For instance, if a vulnerability is found in systemd that has
potentially much further reaching implications than if a similar
vulnerability is found in a stand-alone util used for logging. And -
using the older INIT process - it's much easier to replace a
deficient logging daemon than it is to replace all of systemd.

For individual end-users, systemd is almost always a better solution;
for administrators of larger systems, init often remains the
preferable option. However, this division potentially splits Linux -
already very fragmented - into two more 'camps' Nor did it help that
it was being pushed out largely by the 'big names' of Linux distros
(Fedora, Ubuntu) rather than pushed upwards by individual users (that
systemd operates similarly to Microsoft's own svchost.exe, another
monolithic design, did it no favors either). It forces a uniformity on
the OS that many feel is contrary to its design and ethos.

I can't say that I am without empathy for the 'SystemD is the devil"
camp. The customizability of Linux has been one of its greatest
strengths, and is why it can run on practically anything with a
microchip. On the other hand, as an end-user, I also have to agree:
systemd makes the Linux experience faster and less painful. If all you
want is an OS that 'gets out of your way' and lets you run your apps
and/or games, systemd is the better solution.

But I do feel Linux has lost something with its adoption...

On 2/8/24 17:16, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 12:21:34 -0600, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I don't get why people hate on systemd lol
>
> Largely, I think, because it runs contrary to the ideals of Linux,
> which is that applications should be small, efficient, and
> single-purpose. Systemd is an entire suite of applets built into one
> monolithic binary, replacing numerous individual daemons. This is
> advantageous as to speed, but it - arguably - opens the system up to
> potential security issues, and reduces the customizability of the
> system.
>
> For instance, if a vulnerability is found in systemd that has
> potentially much further reaching implications than if a similar
> vulnerability is found in a stand-alone util used for logging. And -
> using the older INIT process - it's much easier to replace a
> deficient logging daemon than it is to replace all of systemd.
>
> For individual end-users, systemd is almost always a better solution;
> for administrators of larger systems, init often remains the
> preferable option. However, this division potentially splits Linux -
> already very fragmented - into two more 'camps' Nor did it help that
> it was being pushed out largely by the 'big names' of Linux distros
> (Fedora, Ubuntu) rather than pushed upwards by individual users (that
> systemd operates similarly to Microsoft's own svchost.exe, another
> monolithic design, did it no favors either). It forces a uniformity on
> the OS that many feel is contrary to its design and ethos.
>
> I can't say that I am without empathy for the 'SystemD is the devil"
> camp. The customizability of Linux has been one of its greatest
> strengths, and is why it can run on practically anything with a
> microchip. On the other hand, as an end-user, I also have to agree:
> systemd makes the Linux experience faster and less painful. If all you
> want is an OS that 'gets out of your way' and lets you run your apps
> and/or games, systemd is the better solution.
>
> But I do feel Linux has lost something with its adoption...

I'm in the camp of "I don't really care, it works for me" honestly. Boot
systems are something I do NOT want to mess with, in fear of bricking
something.
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