In a recent thread nospam repeatedly claimed iOS has basic functionality
such as the mock location gps spoofing inherent in the Android settings.

On Android, GPS spoofing while you're driving down the road is part of the
operating system where you can load any free ad free mock location app you
like, all of which work and some of which will spoof movements along any
spoofed road at spoofed random intervals and at given user-defined speeds.

While you're driving, most Android mock location gps spoofing apps even
return correct altitudes (data connection required) and they spoof the
wireless provider and some even spoof the GPS provider, while most will
resume the last random location upon restart if you have them set for that
option.

But all that is basic Android functionality - where this thread is about
basic iOS functionality that nospam repeatedly claims is on the app store.

Even though nospam insists iOS has this basic functionality, for some
unknown reason nospam has repeatedly forgotten to supply the iOS app that
we can download onto our iPads to test his many claims out for ourselves.

Can you help nospam out please.
What's a free ad free iOS mock location gps spoofing app on the App Store?

In article <tcnnne$1pf3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> While you're driving, most Android mock location gps spoofing apps even

what possible reason would anyone want to spoof gps while driving? it
will instantly render all navigation apps as useless.

> return correct altitudes (data connection required)

gps does not use a data connection, even if spoofed.

> and they spoof the
> wireless provider

nope

On 07 Aug 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<070820220557346061%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

> In article<tcnnne$1pf3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > While you're driving, most Android mock location gps spoofing apps even
>
> what possible reason would anyone want to spoof gps while driving?

paranoia?
> it
> will instantly render all navigation apps as useless.

you could have a driving app which triangulates using cell towers. Hmm. So
now your telco doesn’t know where you are because they can see your GPS
location, but they do know where you are because you’re using their cell
towers. Hmm. Oh, wait.. if yoyr phone is on, it’s connecting to the cell
towers anyway, so they know where you are. And you can’t spoof that’s
it’s their towers, they know exactly where their towers are, and simple
trigonometry tells them exactly where you are. The only way to stop this
would be to turn the phone off, and even that might not work. So turn it off
and leave it at home, which renders any GPS spoofing moot.
>
>
> > return correct altitudes (data connection required)
>
> gps does not use a data connection, even if spoofed.
>
> > and they spoof the
> > wireless provider
>
> nope

the telco will know where the phone is to within a few metres using trig.
It’s trival to do and impossible to spoof.

In article <0001HW.28A00314030D62627000077AD38F@news.supernews.com>,
Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

> > In article<tcnnne$1pf3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
> > <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > While you're driving, most Android mock location gps spoofing apps even
> >
> > what possible reason would anyone want to spoof gps while driving?
>
> paranoia?

yep.

> > it will instantly render all navigation apps as useless.
>
> you could have a driving app which triangulates using cell towers.

all of them do, although accuracy is obviously much worse using only
cellular.

location-aware apps use a combination of cellular, wifi, gps, bluetooth
and/or uwb to determine their location, depending on the desired
accuracy as well as other factors, such as power consumption.

the resident troll has zero understanding of how things work and
mistakenly thinks he's hiding himself, when in reality, he's making
himself more noticeable.

> Hmm. So
> now your telco doesn¹t know where you are because they can see your GPS
> location, but they do know where you are because you¹re using their cell
> towers. Hmm. Oh, wait.. if yoyr phone is on, it¹s connecting to the cell
> towers anyway, so they know where you are. And you can¹t spoof that¹s
> it¹s their towers, they know exactly where their towers are, and simple
> trigonometry tells them exactly where you are. The only way to stop this
> would be to turn the phone off, and even that might not work. So turn it off
> and leave it at home, which renders any GPS spoofing moot.

that's a good summary :)

> > > return correct altitudes (data connection required)
> >
> > gps does not use a data connection, even if spoofed.
> >
> > > and they spoof the
> > > wireless provider
> >
> > nope
>
> the telco will know where the phone is to within a few metres using trig.

cellular location does not have anywhere near that level of accuracy.

in rural areas, where towers are widely spaced, it could even be within
a mile or two.

> It¹s trival to do and impossible to spoof.

yep.

nospam wrote:

> what possible reason would anyone want to spoof gps while driving? it
> will instantly render all navigation apps as useless.

Adults comprehend facts...

It's no longer shocking to me that you iKooks think the only way to do
anything is the way Apple has prescribed for you in the prison documents.
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZKXjT326/mocklocation01.jpg> Android mock location
<https://i.postimg.cc/SRvdYzsF/mocklocation02.jpg> Best mock location apps
<https://i.postimg.cc/DySBk5j2/mocklocation03.jpg> Mock location setting
<https://i.postimg.cc/7L8BN7Nq/mocklocation04.jpg> Spoof wifi/gps provider
<https://i.postimg.cc/MZPdFgYP/mocklocation05.jpg> Randomize road speed

The reason I brought up "driving" was because nospam's standard clusterfuck
response is to claim you have to put a Mac in your pocket, along with the
iPhone, in order to garner any semblance of basic functionality on Android.

But even so, there are _good_ reasons for mock location even while driving,
particularly in terms of privacy, some of which are related to how easily
mock location apps enable off-line navigation apps to determine endpoints.

This is particularly useful because many offline navigation apps lack the
user-focused GUI to choose a location, and worse, many offline nav apps
lack the lookup capability of the big boys' apps (e.g., Apple/Google).

Another good reason for mock location while out and about is that it
ensures any app that gathers up your location will get incorrect data.

Essentially, I keep mock location on all the time when my data is on,
_unless_ I actually need both GPS and data simultaneously, which is almost
never since you can navigate & obtain trafffic perfectly well without data.

Note: I'm well aware iKooks don't own the cognitive skills to comprehend a
word of what I said above - but I said it to respond to nospam's claims.

>> return correct altitudes (data connection required)
>
> gps does not use a data connection, even if spoofed.

There are varying levels of location reporting, one of which is where you
are on the 2D X:Y ground coordinates (at any altitude), the other of which
is using your 3D X:Y:Z coordinates (e.g., you could be in an airplane).

I well realize the iKooks don't understand the concept of mock location
spoofing, so I'll patiently explain to them that when you're spoofing your
location, the mock location apps have a checkmark for whether or not you
want the altitude also reported (which requires data lookups, according to
the apps themselves).

>> and they spoof the
>> wireless provider
>
> nope

Why do fools deny facts?
I don't know why.

But nospam does.
<https://i.postimg.cc/gcRk8q1c/mocklocation06.jpg> Spoof Wi-Fi provider

Anyway, the question here is to answer what nospam forgot to provide when
he repeatedly claimed that iOS wasn't crippled in terms of mock location.

Please help nospam out.
I'll even drop the free and ad-free requirement.

*What's the best iOS mock location gps spoofing app on the App Store?*

On 8/7/22 2:48 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> what possible reason would anyone want to spoof gps while driving? it
>> will instantly render all navigation apps as useless.
>
> Adults comprehend facts...
> It's no longer shocking to me that you iKooks think the only way to do
> anything is the way Apple has prescribed for you in the prison documents.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/ZKXjT326/mocklocation01.jpg> Android mock location
> <https://i.postimg.cc/SRvdYzsF/mocklocation02.jpg> Best mock location apps
> <https://i.postimg.cc/DySBk5j2/mocklocation03.jpg> Mock location setting
> <https://i.postimg.cc/7L8BN7Nq/mocklocation04.jpg> Spoof wifi/gps provider
> <https://i.postimg.cc/MZPdFgYP/mocklocation05.jpg> Randomize road speed
>
> The reason I brought up "driving" was because nospam's standard clusterfuck
> response is to claim you have to put a Mac in your pocket, along with the
> iPhone, in order to garner any semblance of basic functionality on Android.
>
> But even so, there are _good_ reasons for mock location even while driving,
> particularly in terms of privacy, some of which are related to how easily
> mock location apps enable off-line navigation apps to determine endpoints.
>
> This is particularly useful because many offline navigation apps lack the
> user-focused GUI to choose a location, and worse, many offline nav apps
> lack the lookup capability of the big boys' apps (e.g., Apple/Google).
>
> Another good reason for mock location while out and about is that it
> ensures any app that gathers up your location will get incorrect data.
>
> Essentially, I keep mock location on all the time when my data is on,
> _unless_ I actually need both GPS and data simultaneously, which is almost
> never since you can navigate & obtain trafffic perfectly well without data.
>
> Note: I'm well aware iKooks don't own the cognitive skills to comprehend a
> word of what I said above - but I said it to respond to nospam's claims.
>
>>> return correct altitudes (data connection required)
>>
>> gps does not use a data connection, even if spoofed.
>
> There are varying levels of location reporting, one of which is where you
> are on the 2D X:Y ground coordinates (at any altitude), the other of which
> is using your 3D X:Y:Z coordinates (e.g., you could be in an airplane).
>
> I well realize the iKooks don't understand the concept of mock location
> spoofing, so I'll patiently explain to them that when you're spoofing your
> location, the mock location apps have a checkmark for whether or not you
> want the altitude also reported (which requires data lookups, according to
> the apps themselves).
>
>>> and they spoof the
>>> wireless provider
>>
>> nope
>
> Why do fools deny facts?
> I don't know why.
> But nospam does.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/gcRk8q1c/mocklocation06.jpg> Spoof Wi-Fi provider
>
> Anyway, the question here is to answer what nospam forgot to provide when
> he repeatedly claimed that iOS wasn't crippled in terms of mock location.
>
> Please help nospam out.
> I'll even drop the free and ad-free requirement.
>
> *What's the best iOS mock location gps spoofing app on the App Store?*

Android is such a clusterfuck and joke.

John wrote:

>> *What's the best iOS mock location gps spoofing app on the App Store?*
>
> Android is such a clusterfuck and joke.

On the adult operating system newsgroups, you can ask the exact same
question as on the child-like Apple newsgroups...

On the child-like Apple newsgroups... they're actually _afraid_ of facts.

Adult OS ng: I saw Santa in a Microsoft advert - does he exist?
Child OS ng: I saw Santa in an Apple advert - does he exist?

Adult OS ng: Of course not - it's just a Microsoft marketing gimmick.
Child OS ng: Of course he does - you must believe everything Apple says.

Adult OS ng: I thought so because there is zero factual evidence of Santa.
Child OS ng: Nope. Santa exists. Says so right on the Apple web site.

Adult OS ng: (discussion moves on to further actual facts)
Child OS ng: (discussion endlessly goes on with iKooks claiming he exists)

sms wrote:

> It makes the newsgroup much more readable when you filter out the actual
> trolls.

You have to decide for yourself who adds factual value and who does not.

> Again, I posted the original thread only to comp.mobile.android
> specifically because I saw no upside in encouraging "those who must not
> be named" in misc.phone.mobile.iphone from getting upset that they are
> unable to have such a useful feature. Someone else cross-posted it.

Personally, in two decades of posting to Usenet, offhand I've only had to
filter those who provide so much negative value it's not worth reading
their trolls, such as Snit, Rod Speed (whom the FBI told me to not respond
to after his published death threats, and Alan Baker...

> There is a kludgy workaround for mock locations for iOS that requires a
> computer as well, see
> <https://www.tenorshare.com/products/ianygo-change-gps-location-iphone.html>

Thanks for re-posting that link (which we discussed long ago) which is a
_classic_ clusterfuck to attempt to get basic functionality out of iOS.

> Up until iOS 14 there was a jailbreak tweak to set a mock location but
> it doesn't work in iOS 15 (see
> <https://www.wootechy.com/change-location/cydia-fake-gps/>)

Thanks for that link also, as we had discussed this with the iKooks in the
past when nospam fabricated that iOS could do mock location without it.

> Note that there are also things that you can do on iOS that aren't
> possible on Android devices, it works both ways, so there's no need for
> anyone to get upset and start trolling when something is not possible on
> their device.

Please don't fall into the low-IQ trap of thinking that a mere trademark is
functionality - as it's not.

Due to the nature of iOS, it will _always_ be crippled compared to Android.

The reason is obvious - and it's not that Apple is missing basic hardware.
*Apple restricts what apps can do; Google can't.*

Hence, I believe you're actually wrong in saying there is _any_ useful app
functionality that an _adult_ would want that is on iOS but not on Android.

If there is, then just name it and we'll see if that _functionality_ exists
on Android - but don't name brand names or trademark names.

Name the _functionality_ which is what's important.

> You can't run Garage Band on an Android device and you
> can't use Apple News on Android or Windows.

Are you seriously claiming that the basic functionality that the
trademarked app named "Garage Band" doesn't exist at all on Android?

Seriously?

Likewise, are you seriously claiming that the basic functionality that the
trademarked app named "Apple News" provides doesn't exist on Android?

C'mon. Seriously?

> See the 100% fact checked document at
> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>. It's 81 pages of extensively
> referenced information with hundreds of citations that details iOS &
> iPhone features which [many] Android users wish they had and Android &
> Android Phone features which [many] iOS users wish they had.

I give you the same challenge the iKooks fail, Steve.
*Name just one*

Name a _single_ basic app functionality that you feel is completely missing
from Android that is on iOS.
*Name just one*

> I have two
> iPhones, one iPad, and one Apple Watch, as well as one flagship Android
> device, one mid-range Android tablet, and one Samsung Gear watch, and
> am pretty familiar with the capabilities of both operating systems.

Actually, you're not.
But you understand iOS and Android differences better than most people do.

For example, you're aware that the basic functionality of automatic call
recording is completely absent from iOS, as is the basic functionality of
system wide firewalling, as is the basic functionality of graphing wi-fi
signal strength over time, as is the basic functionality of changing the
app launcher, as is the basic functionality of setting the default
messenger, etc.

Given the _reason_ iOS is crippled in basic funcdtionality has nothing
(well, very little) to do with the hardware, the reason is that the MARKET
is who supplies basic functionality that is missing from the OEM
implementation.

*Apple restricts what the market can provide - Google can't.*

Hence, there is _nothing_ by way of basic app functionality on iOS that
isn't _already_ on Android (and no, if you "like" one trademarked
newsreader over another, and yet both have "newsreaders" then that doesn't
count as we're talking about functionality that is completely missing).

The challenge stands for you (or anyone) to name a single basic app
functionality that is completely missing from Android and yet IOS has it.

*Name a _single_ useful basic iOS app functionality not already on Android*
*Name just one*