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* Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!candycanearter07
+- Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning
`* Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!Kenny McCormack
 `* Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!Frank Slootweg
  `* Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!candycanearter07
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From: no...@thanks.net (candycanearter07)
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Subject: Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!
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 by: candycanearter07 - Wed, 18 Oct 2023 18:37 UTC

On 10/18/23 12:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Thunderbird/45.0
>
> $DRIFT ON
>
> Does that ("20100101" and "45.0") indeed indicate that you've frozen
> Thunderbird at an (very) old version?
>
> If so, good. Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows
> groups), that the latest major update, v115, is severely broken,
> probably mostly for news, but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use
> 60.9.0).
>
> To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
> to an appropriate group. Thanks.
>
> Now we resume our regular programming.
>
> $DRIFT OFF

Does anyone know what kind of issues are in TB 115?
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From: zer...@umbrellix.net (The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning)
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Subject: Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!
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 by: The Bjornsdottirs - - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:13 UTC

On 10/18/23 18:37, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/18/23 12:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>   Thunderbird/45.0
>>
>> $DRIFT ON
>>
>>    Does that ("20100101" and "45.0") indeed indicate that you've frozen
>> Thunderbird at an (very) old version?
>>
>>    If so, good. Currently there are lots of reports (in the Windows
>> groups), that the latest major update, v115, is severely broken,
>> probably mostly for news, but maybe also for e-mail. (FWIW, I use
>> 60.9.0).
>>
>>    To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.
>>
>>    Now we resume our regular programming.
>>
>> $DRIFT OFF
>
> Does anyone know what kind of issues are in TB 115?
For me the UI has become so bad I can't use it anymore. I'm frozen at
102 on my desktop until that updates. Then, I'll have to figure out
claws or sylpheed, because kmail seems incapable of something super
basic I need on one of my IMAP boxes...
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Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!

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From: gaze...@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!
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 by: Kenny McCormack - Fri, 27 Oct 2023 10:23 UTC

In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
....
>> To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.

Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.

Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
see my comments below.

>> Now we resume our regular programming.
>>
>> $DRIFT OFF
>
>Does anyone know what kind of issues are in TB 115?

It seems to be mostly a case of "fixing things that aren't broken", aka,
"Change for change's sake", aka, "The prime directive of software is:
"Change or die".

Though, to be fair, I might hazard a guess that, as is often the case these
days, the changes were oriented towards making things better for people
using smartphones; the general theory being that "nobody uses computers
anymore; everything is smartphones".

That all said, my main complaint about the new TB has to do with fontsizes.
I use it for email, running on a computer hooked up to a 55" TV across the
room from where I sit, so the type has to be big enough to read from my
chair. In earlier versions, it "just worked". In the new version,
everything is too small (by default). I was able to jack up the font size
in the main display, to the point where it is readable, but it looks funny
(the type is so big that it "overflows" the space allocated for it).

But, the real problem is when you open an email; the type is so small as to
be unreadable. Now, in the earlier version, you could hit Ctrl/+ a few
times and it would be fixed. In the new version, Ctrl/+ doesn't work; you
have to do Alt/V, z, i (which is a pain to type). After you've done Alt/Vzi,
then Ctrl/+ works. But Ctrl/+ never works the first time (per email).

Update/workaround: I've since discovered that Ctrl/ScrollWheel works and is
easier to do than Alt/Vzi. But still not as convenient as Ctrl/+

And here's another one: Since the "upgrade", it periodically throws an
error trying to poll an old (unused) email address. You then have to
"click away" a few rounds of error message boxes. It never did this in the
old version.

--
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from being Clinton's fault to being Obama's fault.

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From: thi...@ddress.is.invalid (Frank Slootweg)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!
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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:39 UTC

Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> ...
> >> To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
> >> to an appropriate group. Thanks.
>
> Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
> newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.

My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being
off-topic.

candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android
to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a
Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere
else, let alone from where.

> Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
> see my comments below.

As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups,
mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for
Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use
Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.

[...]

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Subject: Re: [OT] Be careful updating Thunderbird!
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 by: candycanearter07 - Sat, 28 Oct 2023 19:51 UTC

On 10/28/23 12:39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>> In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> ...
>>>> To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
>>>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.
>>
>> Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
>> newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.
>
> My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being
> off-topic.
>
> candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android
> to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a
> Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere
> else, let alone from where.
>
>> Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
>> see my comments below.
>
> As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups,
> mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for
> Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use
> Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.
>
> [...]

Sorry
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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sun, 29 Oct 2023 11:08 UTC

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 10/28/23 12:39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> >> In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>> To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
> >>>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
> >> newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.
> >
> > My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being
> > off-topic.
> >
> > candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android
> > to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a
> > Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere
> > else, let alone from where.
> >
> >> Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
> >> see my comments below.
> >
> > As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups,
> > mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for
> > Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use
> > Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.
> >
> > [...]
>
> Sorry

No problem. Your 'error' was already covered in comp.mobile.android,
but Kenny didn't/couldn't know that, so I explained what happened.

BTW, when responding, please respond at the point where your comment
applies, not at the bottom. For many (most?) people, bottom-posting is
even worse than top-posting, because they have to scroll past text which
they probably have seen very recently. In most cases, interleaved
posting (quote, response, quote. response) is the best way.

So in this case, your comment should have come after your quote of my
"candycanearter07 responded ..." paragraph and you should have deleted
the rest, because it's not relevant to my or your comment.

Keep watching what others do and you'll get there.

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